14:05:46 <randomuser`> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:05:47 <randomuser`> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:05:47 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:05:47 <randomuser`> #topic Roll Call
14:05:48 <smccann> dun da dun dun
14:05:50 <lnovich> speak of the devil!
14:05:59 * lnovich is here
14:06:00 <zoglesby> randomuser`: beat me to it
14:06:03 * smccann is here
14:06:04 <randomuser`> #chair bexelbie zoglesby
14:06:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie randomuser` zoglesby
14:06:14 <randomuser`> zoglesby, you are welcome to run the meeting, if you like
14:06:17 <leslie_> observing
14:06:28 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:06:29 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:06:30 <linux-modder> morning randomuser`
14:06:40 <randomuser`> morning corey
14:06:41 <linux-modder> .hello corey84
14:06:45 <zodbot> linux-modder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
14:07:10 <linux-modder> quiet  morning
14:07:12 * grundblom here
14:08:38 <randomuser`> OK, let's get started
14:08:47 <randomuser`> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:09:09 * linux-modder also in qadevel mtg so may be   delayed replying
14:09:13 * kirsti being late
14:09:15 <randomuser`> one item here, jsmith is going to talk about some stuff in a later topic
14:09:24 <randomuser`> so, ping, jsmith, we're coming back to you
14:09:29 <randomuser`> #topic New Writers
14:09:29 <linux-modder> still need to work on container  beat
14:09:32 * jsmith is tied up in a ${DAYJOB} meeting :-(
14:09:38 <randomuser`> boo! hiss!
14:09:41 <jsmith> (and doesn't have much to show due to medical issues last week)
14:09:54 <linux-modder> double boo :)
14:10:02 <lnovich> hope you are feeling better jsmith
14:10:09 <randomuser`> jsmith, I'm wearing a ${dayjob['jared']} shirt today, doesn't that count for anything?
14:10:20 <jsmith> randomuser`: Absolutely it does!
14:10:30 * randomuser` fist pumps
14:10:50 <randomuser`> linux-modder, you're somewhat new to the beats process, any questions?
14:11:01 <linux-modder> not really
14:11:22 <linux-modder> (YET)  sure I will by next week
14:12:00 <randomuser`> okay - wiki time is coming to a close, so let's sync up some evening this week
14:12:41 <randomuser`> any other questions from new writers ?
14:13:20 <lnovich> I can cover any beats questions at my wed office hours if needed
14:13:34 <lnovich> #info Laur
14:13:42 <randomuser`> what time, lnovich ?
14:13:49 <randomuser`> heh
14:13:54 <lnovich> '#info Laura's officehours - Wed 9AM EST
14:14:13 <kirsti> lnovich will not be there this and next wednesday
14:14:19 <linux-modder> will at the very least  stop in
14:14:22 <randomuser`> #info Laura's officehours - Wed 9AM EST - will discuss beats
14:14:34 <lnovich> no problem kirsti!
14:14:34 <kirsti> as in I will note be
14:14:59 <grundblom> dang, thats right during my commute, I guess I can follow up after the meeting notes
14:15:33 <lnovich> I am online afterwards so if you need a special session grundblom let me know
14:15:56 <linux-modder> grundblom,  irc mobile :)
14:16:07 <linux-modder> on *
14:16:11 <lnovich> is there IRC on mobile?
14:16:26 <linux-modder> yup andIRC colloqouy  and others
14:16:31 <randomuser`> there's an app for everything these days
14:16:47 <grundblom> roger that
14:16:59 <linux-modder> cIRC  (chrome IRC client  --bit  clunky  but  solid )
14:17:03 <grundblom> I will be online afterward, that would be great lnovich
14:17:13 <grundblom> I have to think irc while driving is not safe...
14:17:15 <randomuser`> let's steer this barge over to relnotes
14:17:21 <randomuser`> #topic Release Notes
14:17:35 <randomuser`> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-docs-tasks.html
14:17:50 <randomuser`> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Documentation_Beats
14:17:52 <linux-modder> still ironing out some local edits for container  ( should be  able to  upload later today)
14:18:15 <randomuser`> linux-modder, you really don't have to refine it that much, use the wiki as your notepad
14:18:36 <linux-modder> will do
14:18:39 <randomuser`> thanks
14:19:04 <randomuser`> so, question for the floor; today is the scheduled day to freeze the wiki and start working in git
14:19:12 <randomuser`> do we want to extend that, or not?
14:19:25 <lnovich> i think it would be a good idea
14:19:27 * jsmith has no strong feelings either way
14:19:32 <zoglesby> I vote for a +1 week
14:19:40 <linux-modder> tbh I  work better on git
14:19:49 <randomuser`> linux-modder, with docbook?
14:19:49 <grundblom> I am not familler with the workflow if we did it in git
14:19:54 <smccann> +1 for extending a week
14:19:55 <lnovich> if we can afford +1 week Im +2 on that idea
14:20:06 <linux-modder> or  git clients yes randomuser`
14:20:26 <bexelbie> +1 extension
14:20:28 <linux-modder> I'm +1 for the  extra week either way tho
14:20:43 <randomuser`> those are different things, linux-modder, but we can get into it oob
14:20:48 <linux-modder> not everyone is  a  git  user / guru  and  vice verse
14:21:17 <randomuser`> everyone that has commit access to this repo has sufficient skills to use it
14:21:29 <randomuser`> anyway, I think we're all on the same page
14:21:35 <zoglesby> the less churn we have in docbook the better
14:21:45 <randomuser`> #info wiki freeze extended by +1 week
14:22:04 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to send mail to general audience warning of relnotes wiki freeze
14:22:16 <zoglesby> if we can get lnovich and Americas office hours to work on beats this week we can start git conversion next week
14:22:41 * lnovich will do a beats bash party
14:22:56 <randomuser`> I didn't get into more after thursday's session - zoglesby, do you have a feel for % completion of Change coverage?
14:23:55 <zoglesby> randomuser`: maybe 50%
14:24:02 <randomuser`> or better yet, a link to the piratepad we started, I don't have it on this machine
14:24:03 <zoglesby> or a little less
14:24:39 <zoglesby> #link http://piratepad.net/nIJTKEmI5c
14:24:57 <randomuser`> #info working metadoc on piratepad
14:25:45 <randomuser`> I'm not sure what else to say, other than please help
14:25:50 <randomuser`> anyone else?
14:26:08 <smccann> not sure how to read that pirapad thing
14:26:10 <zoglesby> please help anyone!
14:26:23 <grundblom> I am nervous clicking a url from a domain with the word pirate
14:26:48 <grundblom> (I know I sound like I am being silly or sarcastic, but I really am a little nervous about that)
14:26:51 <smccann> for example, i did the draft for SSL 3 and RC4
14:26:59 <randomuser`> smccann, we write about something and put a note into the pad so you don't start writing about it too, instead of something that has already been written
14:27:08 <smccann> it shows up on the piratepad list... so is that a list of what is done?
14:27:36 * randomuser` makes an explanitory note in the pad
14:27:36 <zoglesby> smccann: yeah, I read it may have changed it and said it was good for first draft
14:27:38 <linux-modder> grundblom, it's fine
14:27:49 <smccann> ok kewl, thanks
14:27:55 <linux-modder> I am that way  for  many urls (outside of  mtgs)
14:28:05 <smccann> so if I write something, i take ownership of the bug AND update piratepad?
14:28:38 <randomuser`> it was helpful imo when zoglesby and I were both working on beats at the same time
14:28:49 <linux-modder> smccann,  more or less (or  add thyself to the  present writing with the  original owner and  you both do )
14:29:09 <smccann> gracias
14:29:19 <linux-modder> so everyone knows what is what and where to  ask for  clearification from authors
14:29:43 <grundblom> Wait, I thought the beat assignment page is how we were doing this, or is this replacing the beat assignment page?
14:29:46 <linux-modder> often also  cuts back the  duplicity of  edits
14:30:06 <randomuser`> grundblom, the beats are big categories, and we all need to work on all beats at this point
14:30:19 <zoglesby> grundblom: we are just trying to get stuff written at this point
14:30:32 <grundblom> ok
14:30:36 <grundblom> I get it
14:30:38 <linux-modder> piratepad is  like the  roll-call for  who is  where and  what is done
14:30:42 <zoglesby> the beats page is only helpful until we are at freeze and need to write everything
14:31:28 * linux-modder brb
14:32:27 <randomuser`> we're all clear on release notes needs now?
14:32:33 <smccann> yep
14:32:55 <randomuser`> #topic Publishing
14:33:44 <randomuser`> I spend a little time on containerizing buildbot to make development onboarding easier, and wound up spending more time on learning containerizing than the actual project :/
14:34:30 <randomuser`> so no real news at this point.  shaunm offered to help with things, I'll have to circle back to him
14:34:47 <randomuser`> any questions before I move on?
14:35:18 <bexelbie> just an offer to help more
14:35:31 <randomuser`> sold!
14:36:50 <randomuser`> #topic Guide Status
14:37:22 <randomuser`> we had some feedback about firewalld documentation - thanks bexelbie for carrying that to the list
14:37:45 <bexelbie> It also talked about accessing docs in general .. something we all know about
14:38:09 * randomuser` nods
14:38:28 <randomuser`> we *do* have a firewall guide, though
14:38:59 <randomuser`> so if someone has cycles to look it over, check in with sclark on goals, and push to a publishable state, that would be great
14:39:04 <bexelbie> I read it more as an conversatoin about getting to the docs to make changes, and accessing the group
14:39:11 <bexelbie> as well as when we don't republish a book for a new version
14:40:05 <randomuser`> that too
14:40:34 <randomuser`> we could start including source links in the front pages
14:41:13 <randomuser`> personally, I'm not enthusastic about improving the publican template and site branding at this point
14:41:36 <bexelbie> I think we can find an easier way
14:42:47 <randomuser`> #action everyone to consider ian's mail
14:43:10 <randomuser`> but really, I brought this up under guides because we probably have a guide that's very close to being ready to publish
14:43:32 <randomuser`> perhaps we can rope Capesteve into looking it over
14:44:17 <randomuser`> any other guide news?
14:44:57 <randomuser`> Okay, carrying on then
14:45:08 <randomuser`> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:45:14 <randomuser`> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:45:20 <randomuser`> we have bugs!
14:45:44 <randomuser`> a spree of new ones lately, even; remember that responding to bugs is an important part of a healthy feedback loop
14:46:08 <lnovich> randomuser I suggest we have a bug smash session for office hours next week
14:46:42 <randomuser`> I think release notes are more pressing at this time, but bug smashing sessions should become a regular thing
14:47:55 <lnovich> I would be willing to add an additional meeting per week if enough can attend it
14:48:23 <randomuser`> that's one person, at least :)
14:48:27 <randomuser`> poll the list?
14:48:31 <lnovich> ok
14:49:16 <zoglesby> I am also going to be working adapting a script that mhayden wrote for security to email bug info to the list
14:49:21 <randomuser`> #action lnovich to poll mailing list on best time for a new, regular bug smashing session
14:49:32 <linux-modder> /back
14:49:34 <randomuser`> mhayden++
14:49:59 <linux-modder> +1  bug and  wiki work
14:52:21 <randomuser`> #topic Open Floor
14:52:29 <randomuser`> time for all those questions you
14:52:49 <randomuser`> .. you've been holding back
14:53:51 <grundblom> I am trying to figure out how far of detail I should go into with the perl 5.22 in the release notes
14:53:55 <grundblom> there is a lot of stuff there
14:54:09 <grundblom> and I was thinking of only highlighting 4 or so things
14:54:14 <grundblom> sound good?
14:54:21 <randomuser`> grundblom, hm.. if you aren't going into usage, highlight and link upstream
14:54:45 <grundblom> Gotcha!
14:57:14 <randomuser`> crickets... shall we close?
14:57:28 <zoglesby> endit!
14:57:36 <randomuser`> #ENDMEETING