14:12:42 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:12:42 Meeting started Mon Jan 11 14:12:42 2016 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:12:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:12:42 The meeting name has been set to 'docs_project_meeting_-_agenda:_https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/docs_project_meetings' 14:12:42 #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:12:42 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:12:44 #topic Roll Call 14:12:47 zodbot, ping 14:12:47 pong 14:13:59 .hellomyname is bex 14:14:08 .hello bex 14:14:08 bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' 14:14:15 * bexelbie is still lurky 14:14:34 .hello jsmith 14:14:35 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 14:15:00 morning, jsmith 14:15:06 * pbokoc 14:15:14 good afternoon, or some time of day where you are, bexelbie 14:15:42 pbokoc. 14:16:03 * bexelbie is at home - so afternoon 14:16:09 so morning jsmith randomuser and afternoon pbokoc 14:16:34 all permutations of greeting must take place before the meeting can proceed! 14:17:18 * bexelbie notes we are still missing evening and holidays 14:17:23 so, uh... yo whassup? 14:17:41 we don't have a lot to talk about, honestly 14:18:08 hmm.. 14:18:40 everything has been documented? 14:18:46 Yay, no more writing for me! 14:18:47 did anyone attend last week? I got thrown off the sleep schedule and slept through. 14:19:49 I suppose not 14:20:01 let's check in with the release schedule 14:20:06 I think it took me till like Wednesday to even remember there was supposed to be a meeting 14:20:14 #topic F24 preparation 14:20:23 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule 14:20:34 the GA release is slated for mid-may 14:20:45 there have been a bunch of change proposals already 14:21:12 and beta for mid-April, so around the start of April we should start worrying about release notes 14:21:14 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet have been accepted 14:23:37 or... I think those are all of them, actually, I don't believe we're doing separate wiki pages for proposed -> wrangled -> accepted any longer 14:23:40 * randomuser skims the change list 14:23:40 releng is kicking ass with communication these days 14:24:14 I don't see any dramatic changes here 14:24:32 yeah, I think proposals happen on mailing lists 14:25:09 devel@ typically, but I don't recall seeing a lot of discussion, other than the local dns resolver change, which is actually quite interesting 14:25:39 we might have some time to write some tooling, ie refactor the technical notes 14:25:49 funnily enough that change isn't on the wiki page... I guess it wasn't accepted in the end? 14:26:26 * randomuser shrugs 14:26:41 I'm not sure if it was withdrawn or the implementation is still being planned 14:28:07 well, there it is 14:28:21 #topic Guide Status 14:28:32 this would be a good time to catch up on bugs 14:29:06 pbokoc, I think we should rip out the powershell checksum section; it appears to be very dependent on the version of windows/powershell in use and generates a lot of complaints 14:29:22 I don't recall if we have already discussed this 14:30:02 yeah, there's like 4 or 5 bugs open complaining about it, and each one says something completely different 14:30:28 exactly 14:30:34 we should find everyone who opened one and let them fight over it 14:30:38 I've rewritten it twice 14:30:38 IRL, I mean 14:30:55 last one standing gets their version in the guide 14:30:57 yes! last man standing can leave the pit! 14:31:36 iirc one of those GUI tools we are recommending does checksums 14:31:39 also before christmas someone told me the mac checksum procedure is wrong as well :)) 14:31:50 ha! 14:31:59 there's a dude with a mac over here, I'll get him to check it 14:32:58 that would be cool. The guy who told me pointed me at this: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/74873/cant-verify-the-image-checksum-fedora-22/?answer=78954#post-id-78954 14:33:19 pbokoc, randomuser I thought I fixed hte mac checksum issues 14:33:41 oh? 14:34:57 I remember them being broken last year early in the year - maybe I dreamed I fixed it 14:35:07 pbokoc, I appreciate the "the extension of my file is .webarchive" bit 14:36:06 ಠ_ಠ 14:36:12 appreciate, in the sense that it gives me the opportunity to revel in cynicism about the way OSX arbitrarily renames or modifies files that you download 14:36:51 wait, that's something OS X really does? 14:36:51 I'm a cynical person my nature, so I appreciate that. 14:37:01 let me reiterate my ಠ_ಠ 14:37:12 I vaguely recall having to do some tomfoolery with ISOs because of renaming 14:38:07 ok, well, I think I'll just get rid of the whole thing and replace it with "check yo sums" 14:38:12 heh 14:38:30 randomuser, it doesn't rename them all ... just the ones you like 14:38:48 oh actually, just before F23 release I saw someone announce that they updated the LiveUSB Creator tool for windows 14:38:58 but I can't check it, I don't have a windows box 14:39:02 does it direct write now? 14:39:04 pbokoc, I believe there is a built in shasum we need to reference - Is there a BZ on this? 14:40:24 * randomuser twitches 14:40:34 a checksum of the image built in to the image? 14:41:07 randomuser, it seems to direct write. README says it ships with dd for windows... I'll talk to the guy who did the update, he's from Brno. If it can dd and check checksums, that would be perfect and we could get rid of the powershell mess 14:41:09 how could it be correct? 14:41:22 bexelbie, there's no BZ for the mac part. I'll go open one 14:41:27 pbokoc, excellent! I've been looking forward to that 14:41:50 pbokoc, cool - if you would please either assign it or add me to it as a CC and I can look into it 14:42:15 randomuser, here's the mail: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-November/216327.html 14:42:36 bexelbie, sure, I'll assign to you and send you a link 14:43:41 pbokoc, ty 14:46:22 I may end up working on the ostree bits of the ks section, maybe 14:47:07 #action bexelbie to follow up on mac checksum bug that pbokoc will create 14:47:27 #action randomuser to gather up powershell checksum bugs, find replacement process 14:47:46 I'm glad we were able to get something productive out of this. 14:48:26 any other guides, or sections of the install guide, we should go over? 14:48:29 bexelbie, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1297453 14:49:46 pbokoc, ty 14:50:09 oh, maybe we should throw the gnome multi writer thing in there, pbokoc 14:50:48 hmmmm 14:51:47 I read something recently that suggested it would check for 'fake' usb media, where the firmware says there are more blocks than really exist 14:52:55 randomuser, I'm thinking that if we document liveusb-creator for Win, we could tell people to use that on Linux as well 14:53:08 at least it's independent of the user's desktop environment 14:53:18 heh 14:54:14 I believe the 'gnome-' bit there is indicative of a certain design philosophy and upstream project, and does not actually have Requires: for an entire running desktop environment 14:54:46 it probably doesn't check if that 500TB drive you bought off alibaba for 5 dollars actually has more than 512MB of space on it, that's true 14:56:22 * randomuser checks watch 14:56:31 let's open floor this thing 14:56:36 #topic Open Floor 14:56:48 okay, now go ahead and talk about whatever comes to mind :) 14:57:46 My only item is following up on the work we started at Flock.... 14:58:01 I know that I totally dropped the ball on my assigned piece of the puzzle 14:58:15 Is it worth picking back up, or have we decided it's not worth the effort? 14:58:22 no worries, jsmith, I got that piece sorted 14:58:42 I'm on the fence about docbook support though, since you brought it up 14:58:48 Ah, OK... I hadn't seen any updates on the whole publishing platform, and was feeling guilty :-p 14:58:52 it would be dramatically simpler to do the whole thing with rst 14:59:15 but then hard working folks like Stephen would have to work harder, or not give us their time 15:01:09 I'm continuing work on that, slowly 15:01:15 participation is welcome 15:02:17 oh btw, a bunch of people decided to start working on translating the Install Guide 15:02:36 especially the Japanese version has seen a lot of effort in the past few weeks 15:03:44 awesome 15:03:54 let's move to -docs, time is up 15:03:58 #endmeeting