18:00:55 <randomuser> #startmeeting 18:00:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 15 18:00:55 2014 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:55 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:23 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs Office Hours 18:01:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs_office_hours' 18:01:51 <mpduty1> hi randomuser 18:01:53 <randomuser> #topic publishing progress 18:01:55 <randomuser> hi 18:03:47 <randomuser> who is here today? 18:04:03 <ciupicri> me 18:04:39 <ciupicri> oops, I haven't noticed that there's a meeting going on :-) 18:07:45 <randomuser> ok, i'm off the phone, onto the laptop 18:07:57 <randomuser> ciupicri, it's an informal thing, just a designated time to hang out 18:10:14 <randomuser> a working session 18:23:05 * zoglesby is here, but also not 18:23:13 <randomuser> ack 18:23:21 <randomuser> hey rudi_ , are you here? 18:32:20 * radnomuser` gripe gripe 18:35:28 <randomuser> i'll see if changing the nameserver helps 18:35:55 <zoglesby> randomuser: what's up? 18:36:10 <randomuser> my irc connection keeps timing out 18:37:13 <randomuser> ...but not with a different nameserver,so far 18:37:16 <randomuser> eeeenteresting 19:03:33 <randomuser> okay, mail sent to test@ 19:07:53 <randomuser> i'll leave the meeting open for a bit, Sparks hasn't done the traditional oops-is-it-over yet :P 19:21:12 <ignatenkobrain> hi 19:21:44 <randomuser> hello 19:22:01 <ignatenkobrain> how I can help ? ;) 19:22:05 <randomuser> ha! 19:22:38 <randomuser> I have a big list, ignatenkobrain - what would you *like* to do? 19:23:54 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser: I like QA, packaging ;) 19:24:24 <ignatenkobrain> now want to write something ;) 19:24:31 <randomuser> nice 19:24:56 <randomuser> we have a big stack of books you could hack on 19:25:16 <randomuser> or if you want to write a short tutorial style thing, i recently created a book just for those thigns 19:25:49 <ignatenkobrain> yeah, I'd like to write short/not short tutorials ;) 19:25:57 <ignatenkobrain> let me know what to do ! 19:26:02 <randomuser> awesome, hang on 19:26:45 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, i suspect you won't be offended if I point you at a git repo and ask you to build a doc? 19:26:58 <randomuser> i can build it for you if so, that's not a problem 19:27:10 * randomuser probably should do that anyway 19:27:47 <ignatenkobrain> what you mean in "build a doc" ? 19:28:08 <ignatenkobrain> anyway point me to the git repo 19:28:17 <randomuser> the books are written in docbook; we use a tool called 'publican' to make html, pdf, etc 19:28:43 <randomuser> if you prefer, you can just write your tutorial in markdown or whatever, pandoc and I can do the rest 19:28:57 <randomuser> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/fedora-cookbook.git 19:29:16 <randomuser> you want to also install publican publican-fedora 19:30:27 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, really, i just want to get you to the introduction/directions to this book for now 19:31:10 <ignatenkobrain> first I need choose theme.. 19:31:33 <ignatenkobrain> will you here after 1h ? 19:31:45 <randomuser> it's very possible 19:32:10 <ignatenkobrain> I have to go for now (moving to the home). I'll ping you ASAP. 19:32:22 <randomuser> Sparks, your GPG key recipe is <sloppy> 19:32:30 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, okay, talk to you soon 19:39:30 <Sparks> randomuser: Oh is it office hours again? 19:39:34 <randomuser> heh 19:39:50 <Sparks> randomuser: Yes, I was just trying to get notes out the door. 19:39:53 <randomuser> Sparks, my recipes are waay more broken than yours 19:43:00 <Sparks> randomuser: Then what you complaining about? 19:43:04 <Sparks> jsmith: You about? 19:44:06 <randomuser> no complaints, just observations 19:55:40 <Sparks> randomuser: heh 20:06:10 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, if you cloned that already, do a `git pull` to grab the commit i just pushed to fix the build 20:07:01 <randomuser> then `publican build --lang en-US --format html;firefox tmp/en-US/html/index.html` 20:10:29 <randomuser> OR! 20:10:36 <randomuser> read it here: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/cookbook/chap-Documentation-Fedora_Cookbook-Test_Chapter.html 20:34:31 <ignatenkobrain> I'm here 20:34:45 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser: installing publican and publicn-fedora 20:34:54 <randomuser> ack 20:35:13 <ignatenkobrain> su much perl depends ^^ 20:35:18 <randomuser> yah 20:35:22 <ignatenkobrain> s/su/so/ 20:35:31 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, did you think of a topic on your way home? 20:36:23 <ignatenkobrain> I thought, again thought.... Should take a look other articles 20:36:46 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, think about the simple stuff you do right after installing a new fedora version 20:36:50 <ignatenkobrain> want to write about packaging 20:37:16 <randomuser> ah, for packaging, i will point you at the packager's guide 20:37:23 <ignatenkobrain> I'm not installing new fedora version :D 20:37:30 <randomuser> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/packagers-guide.git/https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/packagers-guide.git/ 20:37:34 <randomuser> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/packagers-guide.git/ 20:37:35 <randomuser> ... 20:37:52 <randomuser> pkovar is distilling the packaging docs on the wiki into that 20:38:32 <ignatenkobrain> Unknown option: lang 20:38:37 <ignatenkobrain> Unknown option: format 20:38:42 <ignatenkobrain> Can't open publican: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/publican line 385. 20:38:51 <randomuser> whaa! 20:39:06 <ignatenkobrain> 385 GetOptions( \%opts, @optns, ) 20:39:54 <randomuser> you're in the cloned directory, with a publican.cfg in the top level? 20:40:21 <ignatenkobrain> publican.cfg: ASCII text 20:40:23 <ignatenkobrain> yep 20:40:30 <randomuser> oh, it is --langs --formats sorry 20:40:47 <randomuser> that changed recently, muscle memory took over :) 20:41:06 <ignatenkobrain> heh 20:41:31 <jhradilek> randomuser: That changed a year ago! :)) 20:41:59 <randomuser> jhradilek, i just got rid of my F18 box _last weekend_ ! 20:42:00 <ignatenkobrain> jhradilek: :D 20:42:43 <ignatenkobrain> why in index.html I don't see articles about ssh, gpg, etc ? 20:43:01 <randomuser> i think they are not included 20:43:32 <randomuser> or the include was commented out 20:44:31 <randomuser> ignatenkobrain, jhradilek is around often and a good person to come to with questions 20:44:41 <jhradilek> ignatenkobrain: Hello. :) 20:44:48 <ignatenkobrain> jhradilek: hi :) 20:45:35 <ignatenkobrain> 12:45 am here 20:46:03 <ignatenkobrain> :( 20:46:13 <ignatenkobrain> I've taked a look for ssh-keygen art 20:46:22 <ignatenkobrain> seems cool 20:46:30 <ignatenkobrain> but can't determine theme 20:46:33 <randomuser> art? 20:46:39 <ignatenkobrain> article 20:47:38 <randomuser> the theme isn't very broad; just a short article on how to create an ssh key 20:51:34 <ignatenkobrain> hmmm. I wrote in my blog about "libvirt from user", "selinux support regex", "some interesting for me options in git", "setup xorg config for Trackpoint in ThinkPad" 20:51:48 <ignatenkobrain> is something like interesting ? 20:51:58 <ignatenkobrain> like this* 20:52:33 <randomuser> sure, those are great! 20:53:22 <randomuser> that's one goal of the cookbook; bring in stuff that people have already written for their blogs, polish it a little, get it translated and published 20:56:02 <ignatenkobrain> nice!! so, I'll have a sleep, work and tomorrow at evening will start writing something 20:56:14 <ignatenkobrain> randomuser, jhradilek: goodnight ;) 20:56:30 <randomuser> goodnight, see you around 20:56:49 <zoglesby> Wow, this is still going! 20:56:56 <zoglesby> And people are here! 20:57:02 <zoglesby> WIN! 20:59:51 <jhradilek> ignatenkobrain: Good night! 20:59:51 <randomuser> are you here now, zoglesby ? 21:00:36 <randomuser> zoglesby, jhradilek - did I paste this link here? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/docs-backend/en-US/ 21:00:59 <zoglesby> randomuser: 404 21:01:30 <randomuser> zoglesby, it's coming from varnish - give it a few tries 21:01:55 <jhradilek> randomuser: Ha, I can see it! 21:02:01 <zoglesby> randomuser: now it works... 21:02:37 <zoglesby> randomuser: this is coming from the docs backend server, so that we don't need to ssh? 21:03:12 <randomuser> zoglesby, coming indirectly, as you noticed, but we don't need the tunnel 21:03:37 <zoglesby> randomuser: very nice 21:03:48 <randomuser> thank nirik 21:04:45 <randomuser> there are things that I like about the default theme, that we should think about keeping 21:05:03 <randomuser> like the way the TOC appears for the books 21:05:05 <zoglesby> randomuser: there are also things that we should not keep 21:05:16 <zoglesby> randomuser: I do like the TOC 21:05:31 <randomuser> the boring grey color scheme can go 21:05:52 <zoglesby> +1 21:06:08 <randomuser> the splash page's menu structure might not scale well with lots of releases and books 21:06:27 <zoglesby> and we need a logo that is transparent 21:06:42 <randomuser> it would be nice to have it be legacy->19->20 21:07:51 <zoglesby> randomuser: good point, I did not think of that 21:08:47 <zoglesby> randomuser: also what are we going to due about old docs? Are we going to leave a copy of the old site up, or are we going to do the work of packaging old versions of docs? 21:09:07 <zoglesby> do, not due 21:09:29 <Sparks> zoglesby: I believe rudi was going to package the old versions. 21:09:37 <randomuser> I'm fine with that 21:09:43 <Sparks> zoglesby: I had planning on doing the SG as long as it wasn't too crazy 21:10:07 <randomuser> we'll have to make sure that everything we want current is published, of course 21:10:08 <zoglesby> Sparks: that is great, as long as rudi has the time. 21:10:45 <Sparks> zoglesby: Wait until 7.0 is released... :) 21:10:49 <randomuser> it might be better said that rudi was planning that it be done; that's one thing he pointed me at when I offered to help 21:11:22 <zoglesby> randomuser: we may need to start moving current docs over soon (maybe at office hours?) 21:11:39 <randomuser> yeah, we need to start thinking about that 21:12:02 <zoglesby> randomuser: is everything working with the expection of the theme? 21:12:13 <randomuser> #action randomuser to talk to lnovich about packaging docs during emea office hours rtoo 21:12:31 <zoglesby> rtoodtoo 21:12:49 <randomuser> zoglesby, there are a couple changes I need to make to the playbook, and i'm confused about how parts of the theme appear to come from different packages 21:13:01 <randomuser> but mostly the CSS, yeah 21:13:03 <randomuser> #undo 21:13:03 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by randomuser at 21:12:13 : randomuser to talk to lnovich about packaging docs during emea office hours rtoo 21:13:09 <randomuser> #action randomuser to talk to lnovich about packaging docs during emea office hours too 21:13:18 <randomuser> #rundo! 21:19:23 <randomuser> Sparks, i have radio codeplugs to create, do you know software that can help me be lazy about it? 21:36:48 <randomuser> ok, it does XML 21:52:06 <randomuser> hey, good office hours today! 21:52:10 <randomuser> #endmeeting