18:00:17 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Office Hours
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18:00:27 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs Office Hours
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18:00:55 <randomuser> .pingdocs office hours are starting
18:01:25 <randomuser> hello, tusharkumar, I'm glad you could make it
18:01:25 * Capesteve waves
18:02:47 <RogerBTX> welcome tusharkumar
18:03:20 <randomuser> Capesteve, I keep signing up for coursera courses then not having/taking time to follow through :(
18:03:24 <tusharkumar> Thank you :)
18:03:27 <Capesteve> oh dear
18:04:29 <Sparks> Hi
18:05:06 <RogerBTX> I bet that tusharkumar has a few questions, being our newest member...
18:05:10 <randomuser> hey Sparks
18:06:34 <randomuser> tusharkumar, have you had a chance to look over any of the Joining Docs wiki pages, the documentation guide, anything like that?
18:08:56 <tusharkumar> Yes randomuser. There was a mention of mentor. May I know who assigns a mentor?
18:11:36 <randomuser> tusharkumar, we don't have a formal method for assigning mentors, really.  Often those relationships just naturally evolve from what you're working on, your time zone, an such
18:12:34 <randomuser> You should feel free to reach out to anyone on the mentor list, or to the group as a whole. We're a friendly bunch.
18:13:01 <RogerBTX> tusharkumar, (my .02) It will probably be the person in charge of the guide you are working on; but anyone you feel comfortable with is good. :)
18:13:20 <RogerBTX> sorry about that randomuser
18:13:35 * randomuser raises an eyebrow
18:13:40 <RogerBTX> hehehe
18:13:41 <randomuser> no need to apologize, RogerBTX
18:14:19 <randomuser> you make a good point - the hardest part of getting started can be finding something to work on
18:14:44 <mpduty> randomuser, that's true
18:14:46 <randomuser> and when we do work on guides, it's best to coordinate with the guide owner
18:16:17 <randomuser> tusharkumar, do you have an idea of what you'd like to write about?  If you want to start with some short tutorials, have you read about the Cookbook?
18:17:35 <tusharkumar> randomuser: I think short tutorials would be good but I have no shortage of time so, I can give a good amount of time.
18:19:45 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: How did it all start for you?
18:23:23 <randomuser> lol
18:23:37 <tusharkumar> Hmmm
18:23:53 <tusharkumar> So, one of my question got answered just now :)
18:23:55 <randomuser> I'm sure he'll be back
18:24:42 <tusharkumar> I was thinking if you guys use 'lol' or other similar chat language.
18:24:56 <Capesteve> not me
18:25:28 <Capesteve> I still use Telex speak
18:26:00 <randomuser> I *try* not to, but sometimes I forget :P
18:26:30 <tusharkumar> Hehe
18:29:02 <randomuser> RogerBTX, tusharkumar was asking how you got started
18:30:15 <tusharkumar> Yes.
18:30:28 <RogerBTX> I must have missed something. How I personally got started?
18:31:03 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: Yes
18:31:11 <randomuser> Capesteve, since you're here - I have two WAN links that I'd like to do load balancing with, would you help me with that sometime?
18:31:24 <RogerBTX> ...
18:31:30 <Capesteve> yikes
18:31:52 <RogerBTX> Well, I like to install and recover broken installations and data so
18:31:58 <Capesteve> I am trying to get trunking working at the moment, between two systems
18:32:26 <RogerBTX> I was working on a project outside of Fedora Docs when randomuser came to my rescue on a forum that I was seeking answers on
18:32:41 <Capesteve> only my wife has just "requisitioned" one of them
18:32:54 <RogerBTX> I came over here and started to familiarize myself with the processes.
18:33:30 <RogerBTX> Since I wanted to work on a guide that randomuser had started to put together, he became my mentor
18:33:30 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: Hmmm, so tell me about the time when you made your first contribution. How did that happen?
18:33:39 <randomuser> Capesteve, if you were closer, i'd send you some 'legacy' hardware :)
18:33:56 <Capesteve> randomuser: I am familiar with that application, but will be away for most of next week
18:34:00 <RogerBTX> First, I had to figure out all of the git commands -- I knew nothing when I started
18:34:30 <RogerBTX> Once I was taught about that, I pulled a branch from randomuser's guide and started editing
18:34:40 <Capesteve> problem is, some of my hardware is so legacy, it only has 500MGb ram
18:34:54 <RogerBTX> Then, he showed me about the formatting using DocBook standards
18:34:56 <randomuser> Capesteve, okay, not a big priority. I have routing rules now to have one set of clients use one, and so on. crude, but good enough
18:35:02 <Capesteve> so I was using wife's laptop with some extra LAN cards
18:35:33 <RogerBTX> So, now, I just edit, format and send my commits
18:35:42 <RogerBTX> Its all pretty easy once you get the hang of it
18:35:46 <RogerBTX> :)
18:36:29 <randomuser> tusharkumar, the process RogerBTX and I are using to share work is somewhat new to our group; i'm glad he was patient about it
18:37:03 <RogerBTX> Our work can be seen at https://fedorapeople.org/cgit/rogerbaran/public_git/multiboot-guide.git/
18:37:12 <randomuser> it's turning out to be very effective, both as a way to collaborate, and to familiarize him with the tools and process
18:37:14 <RogerBTX> or on randomuser master
18:37:27 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: I think the way you started contributing is a good way.
18:37:38 <RogerBTX> It really is awesome to have it set up the way we do
18:38:25 <RogerBTX> Your mentor will be a big help when it comes to all of the details involved. But, to get started, you just have to decide on a guide, contact the owner and ask for help along the way
18:39:19 <randomuser> RogerBTX, we should actually add all that git stuff to the Documentation Guide soon.  I have a section in there about creating a patch file but the fedorapeople remote is waaay better
18:39:30 <RogerBTX> agreed.
18:39:51 <RogerBTX> I have my own notes-to-self that could be readily converted into a guide
18:39:53 <tusharkumar> Does this multiboot guide need any minor edits so that I can know the entire process? :)
18:40:28 <RogerBTX> I'll let randomuser take that one :)
18:41:20 <randomuser> tusharkumar, I'm sure it does need some edits, but it's probably not a good one to jump into right now
18:42:22 <tusharkumar> randomuser: May I know why?
18:42:49 <RogerBTX> tusharkumar, we are running a non-standard repo
18:42:53 <randomuser> well, it's just a little messy right now
18:43:04 <RogerBTX> its experimental right now. No other reason
18:43:56 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: You mean, this guide is a draft? or something else?
18:44:11 <RogerBTX> tusharkumar, I can work with you on the processes of working with a normal repo setup (using the standard fedora docs procedures). But our repo is different and it might mess you up if you go to another guide owner....
18:44:33 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: Like in what way?
18:44:46 <randomuser> tusharkumar, somewhere between a draft and scribbled notes :P
18:44:55 <randomuser> no offense, RogerBTX
18:45:10 <RogerBTX> Let's continue this in our other pvt message area after this meeting. ok?
18:45:13 <RogerBTX> heheheh
18:45:16 <RogerBTX> none taken
18:45:42 <tusharkumar> Sure
18:45:59 <RogerBTX> tusharkumar, How familiar are you with git and working with repositories?
18:47:28 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: Honestly, I have only heard about git. :P
18:47:44 <tusharkumar> Never used it.
18:47:50 <RogerBTX> I was in the same boat! :)
18:48:30 <RogerBTX> I can help you to understand how it works and get started. Each guide owner will hope that you have some solid information about how to make your contributions using git
18:48:57 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: Yeah, it would be good.
18:49:11 <randomuser> tusharkumar, let's start simple: What are you familiar with, and interested in writing about?
18:52:46 <tusharkumar> I'm a general Linux user who uses gnome terminal to do all/maximum of his tasks. I would like to write/learn/explore about system administration, security, virtulization and many more. I have been reading these guides from many years and have been wanting to contribute to guides from many years but I just couldn't make myself do it as I thought the process of contributing to be a little complicated.
18:53:23 <tusharkumar> :)
18:53:47 <randomuser> It can be, at first
18:54:10 <randomuser> hmm.. what about storage, tusharkumar ? the storage guide is rather stale
18:54:17 <tusharkumar> randomuser: Yes, this is my second attempt to join fedoraproject :P
18:54:33 <randomuser> I noticed you have two FAS accounts :)
18:54:48 <tusharkumar> Are you from NSA? :/
18:55:07 <RogerBTX> hehehe
18:55:25 <randomuser> .fas tusharkumar
18:55:25 <zodbot> randomuser: tusharkumar 'Tushar Kumar' <tushar.fedoraproject@gmail.com> - tusharkumar91 'Tushar Kumar' <tusharkumar91@gmail.com>
18:56:00 <randomuser> tusharkumar, it's a very public and open project, as you have probably noticed
18:56:00 <tusharkumar> Yes, I was always passionate to joing this complicated system.
18:56:11 <tusharkumar> join*
18:56:46 <randomuser> tusharkumar, which one is current?
18:57:55 <tusharkumar> randomuser: None. Actually, I remember tushar.fedoraproject@gmail.com but tusharkumar91 is not mine. and tushar.fedoraproject@gmail.com is actually, I think, more than 2 years old.
18:58:12 <randomuser> oh! interesting
18:58:52 <randomuser> so if neither is your account, what is your FAS ID?
18:59:29 <tusharkumar> randomuser: Now, it's tushark and email is...
18:59:40 <randomuser> .fasinfo tushark
18:59:41 <zodbot> randomuser: User: tushark, Name: Tushar Kumar, email: tushar.worldwide@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-10-09, IRC Nick: tusharkumar, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E16D9239D7FEDD3E, Status: active
18:59:44 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
18:59:49 <randomuser> okay
18:59:51 <tusharkumar> Yes
19:00:21 <randomuser> .fasinfo tushark
19:00:22 <zodbot> randomuser: User: tushark, Name: Tushar Kumar, email: tushar.worldwide@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-10-09, IRC Nick: tusharkumar, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E16D9239D7FEDD3E, Status: active
19:00:26 <zodbot> randomuser: Approved Groups: fedorabugs docs cla_done cla_fpca
19:00:46 <randomuser> there, I have sponsored your membership in the docs group, tusharkumar
19:00:51 <randomuser> you're one of us now, like it or not!
19:01:12 <RogerBTX> ;)
19:01:51 <tusharkumar> Yeah, I like fedora very much. :) Been using it from 4 years!
19:01:56 <randomuser> you will be able to do cla+1 things, like use fedorapeople.org resources, get an IRC mask or email alias, and participate in elections
19:02:38 <RogerBTX> randomuser, That brings up a question...
19:03:03 <RogerBTX> My mask is still not present. And, how do I get an email?
19:03:19 <tusharkumar> Fedora Email :)
19:03:24 <tusharkumar> Awesome :)
19:03:25 <RogerBTX> right
19:03:47 <randomuser> RogerBTX, the list hasn't been cleared in a while, but I just noticed - you have your nick listed as RogerBTX, but you are identified to freenode as SanAntonioRocks
19:03:55 <randomuser> do you have RogerBTX registered?
19:04:21 <RogerBTX> I believe so. It should be registered as an ALT of SanAntonioRocks
19:04:50 <randomuser> hm. Ask #fedora-admin about the mask, maybe
19:04:55 <RogerBTX> when I sign in as SAROcks, it automatically shows me as RogerBTX
19:04:56 <RogerBTX> ok
19:05:28 <randomuser> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EmailAliases says aliaii happen automaticaly, i think
19:05:57 <RogerBTX> ok. so, mine should be rogerbaran@fedoraproject.org ?
19:06:10 <RogerBTX> since that is my FSA name?
19:06:17 <randomuser> yes
19:06:21 <zoglesby_work> Oh, I am here for office hours!
19:06:32 <zoglesby_work> It has been a while
19:06:32 <tusharkumar> ummm
19:06:36 <randomuser> yay zoglesby_work !
19:06:55 <randomuser> my second favorite zoglesby
19:07:04 <RogerBTX> I'll check out the link for server settings, etc..
19:08:29 <randomuser> tusharkumar, when you pick a guide to work on, the fedorapeople thing will be very useful
19:09:01 <zoglesby_work> randomuser: mine as well zoglesby is way more fun zoglesby_work is all business
19:09:22 <tusharkumar> randomuser: What does it mean if somebody sponsored me?
19:09:46 <randomuser> zoglesby_work, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqZcYPEszN8
19:10:56 <randomuser> tusharkumar, many or most groups in the Fedora Account system need someone to sponsor your membership; you can't just join on your own
19:14:01 <randomuser> oh, and the 'fedorabugs' thing comes with docs, and gives you special bugzilla superpowers of some kind - use them wisely
19:14:46 <RogerBTX> tusharkumar, I have to run for now. Write me an email and I can give you some links to learn git. :)
19:15:08 <tusharkumar> randomuser: Yeah, I just noticed.. It's showing Bugzilla in my account
19:15:20 <tusharkumar> RogerBTX: Sure thing! :) Thanks :)
19:15:32 <RogerBTX> you are welcome
19:20:44 <RogerBTX_afk> randomuser, that vid is hilarious! I'm gone... It's Business Time! lol
19:23:56 <zoglesby_work> randomuser: wow! just wow!
19:32:36 <randomuser> they have a whole tv series these days
19:37:11 <randomuser> tusharkumar, I did see your reply to the systemd-nspawn thing - that one would be starting from scratch, so not *ideal* for a first go, but you are of course welcome to participate
19:40:26 <randomuser> really, i'm not sure if I want to put in the effort if it's only going to be me working on it
19:40:49 <tusharkumar> lol
19:41:12 <tusharkumar> randomuser: point taken and appreciated
19:41:18 <tusharkumar> :)
19:42:14 <tusharkumar> Will see how it goes.. Right now I have no idea on how to proceed so, just going with the flow.
19:42:48 <tusharkumar> It was my logical choice actually. I saw an email -> Help needed -> I agreed. :)
19:43:02 <randomuser> tusharkumar, well, we can get hands on when you decide what you want to work on
19:43:36 <randomuser> if you ever have questions, there's usually someone here or reading the list
19:45:28 <tusharkumar> randomuser: I'm quite thankful to you and Roger for being so supportive. If I met you guys 2 or 3 years earlier, then I would still be here but not as a newbie :) It's good to be a part of fedora project. :) Always wanted to associate with it :)
19:49:56 <randomuser> You're welcome.  I am grateful to the people that helped me get started, and continue to help and support.  It's always been an open, friendly group - but we haven't always had office hours :)
19:51:26 <tusharkumar> randomuser: I think it's a very basic question but what are office hours for? I was checking that it's only on Thursday?
19:52:59 <randomuser> they're for things just like we did today; a time to ask questions or talk about things we're working on that isn't as formal as a meeting
19:53:55 <tusharkumar> So, what does everyone associated with docs do all the other days of the week?
19:53:59 <randomuser> there are people in this channel all the time, but having a dedicated time helps you know when there will be people around *for sure*
19:54:14 <tusharkumar> Yeah..
19:54:46 <tusharkumar> and why is there no time for APAC?
19:54:57 <tusharkumar> I mean, no office hours for APAC
19:56:16 <randomuser> lnovich was doing EMEA office hours for a while, on sundays
19:56:54 <randomuser> noone volunteered to run an office hours for APAC
19:57:21 <randomuser> the rest of the week, we'd work off on our own
19:59:08 <tusharkumar> It's amazing to know that this is how open source community works and is doing a good job at contributing
19:59:23 <tusharkumar> on such a vast scale
20:03:13 <tusharkumar> randomuser: I was checking out Agenda for Next Meeting, What do you do in #topic New Writers?
20:04:13 <randomuser> depends on if any new writers show up :)
20:04:59 <randomuser> it's an opportunity for new people to introduce themselves, raise questions, etc
20:16:06 <tusharkumar> Well I must go now. :) It's 1.45 am here :) Thanks randomuser for your help :)
20:16:14 <randomuser> anytime
20:56:48 <zoglesby> randomuser: i need to finish some stuff up for school tonight and tomorrow, but then i will be all over beat conversion
20:57:02 <randomuser> cool
20:57:20 <zoglesby> my classes end tomorrow and i have two papers i need to write
20:58:23 <randomuser> I didn't realize you were going to school, zoglesby
20:58:57 <zoglesby> school work kids, oh so busy
22:26:19 <RogerBTX> randomuser, No takers on -qa or -admin for helping with a Disaster Recovery guide. I guess I can set up a repo for it on fedorapeople...
22:26:57 <RogerBTX> I'll just work on it over time...
22:29:20 <RogerBTX> I will make it into two sections: Disaster Planning and Disaster Recovery
22:31:08 <RogerBTX> For now, though, we need to finish the multiboot guide :)
22:55:30 <randomuser> RogerBTX, really though - why mount filesystems then dd the partitions?
22:58:01 <randomuser> #endmeeting