14:00:52 <sayan> #startmeeting fedora_hubs
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14:01:34 <sayan> pingou: abompard: mizmo: stickster: devyani7_: saptaks: vivek_: jcline: meeting time
14:01:44 <sayan> #topic Roll Call
14:01:51 * stickster can't meet at this time on the clock :-(
14:01:57 <jcline> Arg, the time change
14:02:04 <vivek_> .localtime stickster
14:02:05 <zodbot> vivek_: User "stickster" doesn't exist
14:02:09 <stickster> .localtime pfrields
14:02:10 <zodbot> stickster: The current local time of "pfrields" is: "09:02" (timezone: America/New_York)
14:02:23 <vivek_> .hello vivekanand1101
14:02:25 <zodbot> vivek_: vivekanand1101 'Vivek Anand' <vivekanand1101@gmail.com>
14:02:25 <abompard> .hello abompard
14:02:28 <zodbot> abompard: abompard 'Aurelien Bompard' <aurelien@bompard.org>
14:02:32 <jcline> .hello jcline
14:02:33 <zodbot> jcline: jcline 'Jeremy Cline' <jeremy@jcline.org>
14:02:33 <saptaks> .hello saptaks
14:02:34 <devyani7> .hello devyani7
14:02:36 <zodbot> saptaks: saptaks 'Saptak Sengupta' <saptak013@gmail.com>
14:02:36 <a2batic> .hello a2batic
14:02:39 <zodbot> devyani7: devyani7 'Devyani Kota' <devyanikota@gmail.com>
14:02:39 <stickster> Humans don't run on UTC ;-)
14:02:42 <zodbot> a2batic: a2batic 'Kanika Murarka' <murarkakanika@gmail.com>
14:02:47 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
14:02:48 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
14:03:07 <stickster> the problem is this stupid DST we have :-(
14:03:21 <sayan> stickster: oh! right
14:03:28 <sayan> DST strikes again :(
14:03:41 <vivek_> ?
14:04:30 <abompard> woah I didn't expect the time change, need to set my calendar properly
14:05:05 <sayan> #topic IRC Widget https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/2
14:05:16 * devyani7 is clueless about the time change. Wasn't it same like forever !?
14:06:23 <pingou> it's 1h earlier
14:07:09 <sayan> #chair jcline vivek_ abompard saptaks devyani7 a2batic
14:07:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: a2batic abompard devyani7 jcline saptaks sayan vivek_
14:07:17 <devyani7> pingou: ow! :/
14:08:40 <sayan> Better I'll start with the actions items firs
14:08:45 <sayan> s/firs/first/
14:08:57 <sayan> * stickster speak to sayan about making the Trello board cards
14:09:00 <sayan> (including USes and backlog tasks) more specific so people can tell
14:09:02 <sayan> what's happening
14:09:04 <sayan> * stickster email devyani7 & cc the hubs-devel list to get an update on
14:09:06 <sayan> this ticket
14:09:08 <sayan> * mizmo update #17 ticket with request for data so she can work on that
14:09:10 <sayan> ticket as she has with #85
14:09:12 <sayan> * vivek_ to update ticket with progress/results of discussion with
14:09:14 <sayan> threebean
14:09:16 <sayan> * mizmo to file RFEs for meetbot - meeting name suggestion list, and
14:09:18 <sayan> reconcile different meeting names / aliases
14:09:20 <sayan> * mizmo to file RFE idea for meetbot / agenda link metadata
14:09:40 <mizmo> Wait its only 9?
14:10:06 * vivek_ has updated the Issue #63. thanks to jflory7 , decause_gotv (decause), threebean
14:10:22 <sayan> mizmo: 9?
14:10:54 <mizmo> My time this is at 10
14:11:13 <pingou> .localtime mizmo
14:11:15 <zodbot> pingou: User "mizmo" doesn't exist
14:11:21 <mizmo> All the DST should be in sync again now now?
14:11:27 <pingou> yup
14:11:37 <mizmo> US was behind EU but we just switched
14:11:47 <mizmo> So why are we an hr early?
14:12:31 <vivek_> sorry but, what's DST? Denmark Standard Time ?
14:12:45 <pingou> looks like because the meeting in fedocal is in UTC
14:12:47 <jcline> I think it's because the meeting is UTC and doesn't do Daylight Saving Time
14:12:47 <mizmo> vivek_: Daylight Savings Time
14:12:53 <vivek_> ohk
14:12:59 <sayan> mizmo: so, for me this meeting started at 19:30 UTC
14:13:06 <mizmo> can we move it UTC_1 so everyone can make it?
14:13:14 <abompard> FYI, I just googled a way to set events in UTC in GCalendar, there doesn't seem to be a built-in way to do it. People suggest setting the event's timezone to Rekjavik, Iceland, because it's UTC all year round.
14:13:20 <mizmo> UTC+1 I mean
14:13:32 <pingou> mizmo: we should just assign it a timezone and be done
14:13:46 <pingou> it'll be annoying 4 weeks/year but will be stable for the rest
14:14:08 <mizmo> how about set it to london time, then it's like UTC but changes for DST?
14:14:15 <jcline> :( the nice thing about utc is it's easy to figure out
14:14:27 <jcline> mizmo, it'll be weird because the UK does DST on a different schedule
14:14:50 <mizmo> jcline: but we all do it on a different schedule - i think thats the point no?
14:15:00 <mizmo> jcline: eg US was 2-3 weeks behind this time
14:15:12 * mizmo thinks this DST thing should just be stopped, its jet lagged my kids something wicked
14:15:33 <sayan> Fedora Hubs wiki says 1500 UTC
14:15:38 <jcline> Yeah, but the nice thing is with UTC is it _never_ changes. So last week we were UTC-4 and now we're UTC-5
14:15:50 <sayan> and now is 1415 UTC
14:15:59 <mizmo> jcline: but practically it does change, for the 'end user'
14:16:00 <sayan> Did we do UTC-1 till now?
14:16:27 <pingou> nope UTC
14:16:31 <devyani7> Here the channel message says 14 utc
14:16:34 <pingou> the timezone changed, not utc :)
14:16:39 <mizmo> wiki might be wrong
14:16:50 <sayan> ok, so wiki might be wrong
14:16:51 <jcline> mizmo, sure. The advantage is with UTC I don't have to know or care when anyone else changes times.
14:17:03 * devyani7 nods
14:17:05 <mizmo> jcline: except you do because.... look at this meeting
14:17:37 <jcline> mizmo, yes, but that's because the USA just switched, and that's all I have to keep in mind.
14:18:02 <mizmo> jcline: people in this meeting represent a lot of different countries...
14:18:06 <pingou> jcline: but people switched before
14:18:14 <mizmo> so US Isnt the only one to keep in mind unfortunately
14:18:19 <pingou> EU switched a week before US
14:18:38 <pingou> sayan: devyani7 do you do summer time?
14:18:43 <jcline> mizmo, exactly. If we pin it to a locale then we have to care about both our local time _and_ whatever locale we choose
14:19:06 <sayan> pingou: no
14:19:23 <pingou> sayan: so for you the meeting time didn't change? lucky you :-p
14:19:25 <mizmo> jcline: no not true - pingou's point was - if we move it to a locale that has DST, then the time will switch automatically. it might not be at the same time for everybody for maybe a 3-4 week period but it'll automatically sort itself. whereas if it's UTC it's messed up for 6 months or so
14:19:34 <sayan> pingou: yes
14:19:37 <vivek_> what's summer time?
14:19:40 <mizmo> sayan: ugh jealous!
14:19:47 * vivek_ doesn't know what's happening here
14:19:49 <devyani7> Ya, what's summer time
14:19:51 <mizmo> vivek_: DST - daylight savings time == summer time
14:19:51 <saptaks> pingou: it is same for us
14:20:02 <pingou> vivek_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_time
14:20:03 <sayan> time does not change for us ever
14:20:06 <sayan> vivek_: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/
14:20:10 <pingou> sayan: lucky!
14:20:10 <jcline> vivek_, welcome to the world of time zones and daylight saving time, the source of very nasty bugs
14:20:32 <vivek_> did the earth start rotating faster/slower?
14:20:46 <sayan> I never knew about DST until I had to handle it in code :(
14:20:52 <devyani7> vivek_: :P
14:21:08 <mizmo> vivek_: i think the idea is that if you make people go to sleep earlier in the winter they use less heat and power and it saves money, except it doesnt beacuse it makes everybody crazy
14:21:08 <sayan> so should we do the meeting in 1500UTC now?
14:21:13 <sayan> till the summer time?
14:21:15 <pingou> vivek_: no but some part of the world got further away from the sun than before
14:21:25 <jcline> mizmo, I see what you're saying. I guess I should clarify that what I thought was desirable was a stable global time, even if it shifts between 9am and 10am throughout the year for me.
14:21:29 <saptaks> vivek_: it depends on the seasonal changes in DST
14:21:33 <saptaks> I think
14:21:41 <mizmo> sayan: i think its important for stickster to be able to make this meeting
14:22:01 <mizmo> jcline: unfortunately not everybody has a schedule that allows for that :(
14:22:31 <sayan> mizmo: yes, I will hit issues with my 1x1 also which is an hour before this meeting
14:23:25 <mizmo> does anybody have a hardship if we make it 1500 UTC for winter?
14:23:31 <mizmo> also, i wonder if the wiki time is from last winter lol
14:23:41 <devyani7> :P I think so too
14:23:41 <sayan> I think so
14:23:46 <sayan> +1 for time change
14:23:49 <jcline> I can do 15:00UTC
14:23:53 <mizmo> +1
14:23:57 <devyani7> +1
14:24:00 <saptaks> +1
14:24:08 <pingou> ok so see you in 35 minutes? :D
14:24:17 <mizmo> sounds good :)
14:24:23 <sayan> pingou: yeah :)
14:24:26 <abompard> All I can think of this is "Let's do the time warp again".
14:24:45 <sayan> vivek_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY
14:24:46 <a2batic> +1
14:25:07 <saptaks> sayan: +!
14:26:05 <mizmo> abompard: lol
14:26:28 <abompard> ah, mizmo++
14:26:28 <zodbot> abompard: Karma for duffy changed to 23 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:27:29 <vivek_> sayan: thank you thank you
14:28:24 <vivek_> sayan: #endmeeting ?
14:31:11 <jcline> We had a funny timezone bug in Pulp that ended up being a problem with Django + Celery, but it ended up causing our distributed application to stop if you were in a DST timezone and DST switched off.
14:34:14 <vivek_> so, when does winter starts officially?
14:34:19 <sayan> #endmeeting