18:06:30 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight (Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda)
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18:06:31 <kushal> hehe
18:06:38 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
18:06:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_insight'
18:06:42 <stickster> #topic Roll call
18:06:45 * stickster 
18:07:08 * kushal ?
18:07:09 * rbergeron is here
18:07:10 * jsmith is here
18:07:14 <stickster> kushal: Go ahead
18:07:20 * ianweller lurks
18:07:23 <smooge> here
18:07:27 * rbergeron feels like reciting something from green eggs and ham right now
18:07:28 <kushal> stickster, no no, that was a typo
18:07:52 <stickster> #info present stickster kushal rbergeron jsmith ianweller smooge
18:08:03 <stickster> #info gwerra didn't think he'd make the whole thing, but he'll pick up logs
18:08:16 <stickster> #topic Last week's action items
18:08:35 <stickster> #info Get FakeFas running -- DONE!
18:08:45 * rbergeron cheers
18:09:03 <stickster> Thanks to mmcgrath, smooge, and others for their work. We finally found the missing link -- a goofed up libcurl option.
18:09:06 <stickster> Now FakeFAS is working
18:10:26 * rbergeron has a question as to how much it is working?
18:10:44 <smooge> well you can create an account on it
18:10:52 <rbergeron> do we have multiple layers of editorial-power - as we had originally wanted in zikula - or do we have basically "admin" and "user"?
18:11:04 <stickster> rbergeron: smooge: Yes, you can make an account on FakeFAS and then sign on with your credentials to the Drupal instance.
18:11:15 <stickster> rbergeron: We can in about 35 seconds. Hang on...
18:11:18 * rbergeron notes she had seen stickster write something on this but can't rmember what or where offhand
18:11:40 <stickster> rbergeron: First we need to make groups in FAS, which I can do.
18:11:49 <stickster> #action stickster make 'cmswriter' and 'cmseditor' groups for testing permission levels
18:12:12 <stickster> rbergeron: Then I simply link those groups to Drupal roles using the easy interface that's Already In There Already
18:12:32 <stickster> #action stickster link 'cmswriter' and 'cmseditor' FakeFAS groups to new "writer" and "editor" roles in Drupal
18:13:05 <MarkDude> Do I say here yet?
18:13:54 * rbergeron gives that a thumbs up :)
18:14:33 <stickster> #chair rbergeron smooge
18:14:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: rbergeron smooge stickster
18:14:57 <stickster> Shall we move on, and I'll take care of that right after this meeting?
18:16:12 <stickster> OK, silence gives consent...
18:16:20 <stickster> #topic Zikula question
18:16:21 * jsmith gives his silent consent
18:16:50 <rbergeron> yes - sorry, we tripped the breaker here :)
18:17:24 <stickster> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-August/008881.html
18:17:46 <stickster> Rahul had asked about Zikula and what to do about maintainers who put modules up for it
18:18:21 <stickster> I think the majority of Zikula maintainers have been in these meetings, including Sparks, me, ke4qqq... and we've been pretty good about publishing our minutes, talking about this on the list.
18:18:47 <stickster> I think *regardless* of what happens with Insight, it's no less worthwhile to have Zikula available in the Fedora repos.
18:18:55 * rbergeron agrees
18:19:01 * jsmith concurs
18:19:14 <ke4qqq> I think there are a number of people looking to orphan external modules
18:19:26 <smooge> that is probably true
18:19:36 <stickster> ke4qqq: I don't think there's anything stopping them... as with any other packages.
18:20:10 <ke4qqq> yep there isn't - just noting that someone with interest would have to pick them up for them to continue - they were largely picked up for insight.
18:20:26 <stickster> It does make me question what people expect to do to continue on with Zikula in some fashion
18:21:12 <stickster> I know that if I, as a person involved in this project, can't get the documentation I need to do things more easily,  I'm less motivated to work on it.
18:21:36 <stickster> drak had brought up the idea of continuous integration to build packages for Fedora
18:21:46 <stickster> And I think abadger1999 had expressed some interest in that.
18:22:10 <stickster> Maybe that's a way to get better prepared modules for use by any Fedora user who wants to use Zikula?
18:22:47 <ke4qqq> perhaps
18:23:12 <stickster> smooge: There doesn't seem to be a lot of work to do right now in particular for Drupal. Would you be interested in asking abadger1999 or the list about whether we want to look at drak's CI idea to ease maintainership for module packagers?
18:25:33 * stickster moves on
18:25:49 <smooge> sorry had to deal with doorbell
18:25:55 <rbergeron> those pesky doorbells...
18:25:56 <stickster> smooge: I'll come back to this when you get a chance to pop back in
18:25:58 <stickster> Oh!
18:26:04 <stickster> Heh, simultaneous postings
18:26:32 <smooge> argh one sec
18:27:30 <smooge> ok was that Drupal related or Zikula related for module maintainership
18:27:42 <stickster> smooge: Zikula related, sorry
18:28:23 <stickster> drak had made a couple offers to talk to someone knowledgeable about our build systems, to see if there was a possibility of building a continuous integration flow for Z packages.
18:29:09 <smooge> hmm that would not be me :)
18:29:21 <smooge> but I can start the conversation
18:29:52 <stickster> smooge: Right, I think abadger1999 had spoken to him about it, and my idea was not for you to try to run that, just see if Toshio was interested at all. I'm sure he's busy too, but he had expressed some interest on the list.
18:29:52 <smooge> the issue is one more FESCO/FPG related as it is packaging up the bits and keeping them inline
18:30:24 <smooge> the same as dealing with the monster of php-pear list that got orphaned yesterday
18:30:42 <stickster> Right, I saw that CStone has been eaten by raptors
18:31:16 <stickster> #action smooge to ask Toshio on-list if he's interested in doing anything related to drak's offer of a CI build process for Zikula
18:31:18 <stickster> Let's move on
18:31:31 <stickster> #topic Drupal status
18:31:42 <stickster> Not much to report here, other than the biggie which is "it works"
18:31:55 <stickster> #info Drupal is up, AuthFAS works, FakeFAS is now available.
18:32:10 <stickster> #info stickster will create group mappings as seen earlier.
18:32:46 <smooge> now we need pictures and pages
18:32:49 <stickster> Before we start throwing a bunch of content on their willy nilly, I still want to finish filling in the project plan.
18:33:55 <stickster> smooge: I think it will be pretty easy to create a FWN workflow though.
18:34:05 <stickster> There's a "book" type of content that seems like it would be perfect for them.
18:34:29 <stickster> I want to figure out if we can either (1) make it import their wiki stuff, or (2) export to the wiki so that we can transition from one place to another easily.
18:34:42 <stickster> But that's kind of "tree" and not "forest" work, if that makes any sense.
18:35:01 <jsmith> stickster: I can probably help on the "import from wiki" stuff
18:35:13 <smooge> I am hoping after I get asterisk02 working again that I will be able to get focused on learning drupal
18:35:16 <jsmith> stickster: I've (unfortunately) done a lot of "get data in and out of Drupal via external scripts" work
18:37:52 <stickster> smooge: I'll bet you jsmith will be able to help you there ;-)
18:38:13 * stickster is going to see if poelcat will help him beef up the project plan.
18:38:31 <stickster> jsmith: You're on AFAIC
18:38:40 <stickster> Anything else on Drupal status?
18:38:54 <smooge> not me
18:38:57 <stickster> OK
18:39:01 <stickster> That brings me to last topic
18:39:04 <stickster> #topic Project plan
18:40:50 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_project_plan
18:40:58 <stickster> Sorry for the delay guys -- too many things going on at once.
18:40:59 <stickster> :-D
18:41:48 <stickster> That's what I've written up so far -- it definitely needs more love and attention which I hope to give it tonight, tomorrow, and over the weekend. I'm going to see if poelcat can give me some help in ferreting out a schedule for it, and then we can get to work.
18:42:04 * stickster happy to accept collaboration, and help filling in the project plan.
18:42:09 * rbergeron nods
18:42:13 <stickster> One of the things we want to do is gather requirements from teams.
18:42:32 <stickster> rbergeron: As Marketing poobah, you can help there -- simply by writing in what you require Insight to do for you.
18:42:45 * rbergeron nods
18:42:53 * rbergeron is having a sneezing fit, brb
18:43:06 <stickster> Don't worry about what you've seen in the way of technical capabilities, just envision the system that would make the team better able to do Marketing work.
18:43:13 * stickster sympathizes with allergies.
18:43:51 <stickster> I want to again get to the point where we have pcalarco able to enter an FWN in as few steps as possible. And I know gwerra will help with theme work.
18:44:06 <jsmith> stickster: My biggest question with any CMS is "What types of content are you really wanting to host there?"
18:44:22 <jsmith> stickster: Once we answer that, other things will start to fall into place
18:44:30 <stickster> jsmith: The picture at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Content_workflow is still fairly accurate from where I sit
18:45:12 <stickster> The "original FI content" box at the upper right has yet to be filled in, but I imagine it would include podcasts and photos.
18:45:32 <stickster> We know these are not highly original needs on our part, nor special to Drupal.
18:47:02 <stickster> #action stickster to continue work on project plan and have it finished next week.
18:47:17 * rbergeron agrees with podcasts and photos
18:47:25 <stickster> Sorry this has been taking me a while, guys. I'll do better this coming week I hope!
18:47:37 <rbergeron> things have been busy ;)
18:47:39 <stickster> Does anyone have questions or comments on the project plan?
18:47:45 <stickster> rbergeron: You can say that again!
18:48:13 <rbergeron> things have been busy!!!! :)
18:48:35 <stickster> heh
18:48:43 <stickster> I knew that would happen.  OK, if there's nothing else then...
18:48:47 <stickster> #topic AOB
18:48:56 <stickster> Anyone have other questions for this meeting?
18:50:48 <stickster> OK, closing in 30
18:51:00 * stickster will do that group creation right after this
18:52:44 <stickster> #endmeeting