18:01:40 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight
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18:01:47 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
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18:01:49 <stickster> #topic Rollc all
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18:01:51 <mizmo> yo
18:01:53 <stickster> #topic Roll call
18:02:06 * gwerra 
18:03:13 <stickster> Hm, small room today :-)
18:03:27 <stickster> That's OK, let's cover stuff for posterity's sake, the list needs a kick in the tush
18:03:46 <stickster> gwerra: Let's cover the deadlines first
18:03:56 <stickster> #chair gwerra mizmo rbergeron smooge
18:03:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: gwerra mizmo rbergeron smooge stickster
18:04:05 <gwerra> stickster: unless you make me stay longer I am fine with it
18:04:20 <stickster> #info Present: gwerra, stickster, mizmo?
18:04:32 <stickster> #topic Deadlines
18:05:01 <stickster> #info Currently we are trying to have a stageable instance that handles FWN by October 1. That looks to be within our grasp!
18:05:22 <rbergeron> :)
18:05:23 <stickster> #info October 18 is a *hard* deadline for production -- infrastructure freeze.
18:06:11 <stickster> Did anyone look at pcalarco's port of the latest FWN?
18:06:49 <stickster> #link http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/12 <-- port of FWN 243
18:06:53 <rbergeron> yup
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18:06:57 <stickster> #link http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/12 <-- port of FWN 242
18:07:27 <rbergeron> The part where it just links to announcements is a bit weird
18:07:30 <stickster> One of the problems I saw was here in the Announcements beat: http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/13
18:08:06 <rbergeron> uh oh, stickter's on my wavelength again
18:08:08 <stickster> Right on rbergeron -- I actually think this is more of an execution "nonstandardness" by the beat writer -- using footnotes instead of a bullet list is kind of weird
18:08:17 <rbergeron> yeah
18:08:34 <rbergeron> Aren't there usually other sections though?
18:08:34 <gwerra> the 21-* numbers?
18:08:37 <rbergeron> other than just announcements?
18:09:13 <stickster> gwerra: Exactly. rbergeron: Yeah, could be more beats than that are doing the same thing. If we correct that practice, and have the writers use bullet lists, I can make this come out a lot better (and less hacky-like) in drupal
18:09:35 * rbergeron nods
18:09:54 <stickster> #action stickster to send email to news writers and ask to standardize on bullet lists instead of lists of <ref> so he can address them properly in the Flexifilter
18:10:12 <stickster> Other than that, did anyone see any glaring weird things?
18:10:15 * gwerra nods
18:10:22 <gwerra> stickster: none
18:10:47 <gwerra> except my odd looking theme, which is pretty well in the right direction though
18:10:54 <stickster> OK, so we're on track for deadlines, specifically I want gwerra to talk about....
18:11:10 <stickster> #agreed We're basically on track for deadline at this point, pending...
18:11:13 <stickster> #topic Theming
18:11:23 <stickster> gwerra: Take it away, tell us where you're at with this.
18:12:09 <gwerra> Ok so I pushed the major changes yesterday
18:12:22 <gwerra> I need to fix the content border, center it and fix the right sidebar
18:12:23 <smooge> here sorry..
18:12:57 <gwerra> thats on the top of my head, rest will be fixed as we notice them
18:13:02 <stickster> gwerra: So how do you feel about having something basically functional Oct. 1?
18:13:27 <gwerra> stickster: I might have something functional by monday
18:13:37 <stickster> gwerra: I'm also wondering, can you blog about your work to the Planet, to encourage other designers to help out?
18:13:58 <gwerra> stickster: sure, I ll do that, I have problems with my hosting, but I ll do that and get it done soon
18:14:13 <stickster> That would be awesome
18:14:25 <gwerra> the only real problem I am having so far is that there is nothing to reference to
18:14:34 <smooge> stickster, what are on my deliveries for the next week?
18:14:38 <stickster> #action gwerra blog about his work on Insight theme and call for participation
18:14:53 <stickster> smooge: I think we could probably use some help packaging a couple of modules that we need for drupal6
18:15:29 <stickster> smooge: I have a list on the wiki -- let me pull it up
18:15:48 <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal#General_changes
18:16:23 <stickster> #info Link above contains list of added modules (other than AuthFAS and the theme) which require packaging for EPEL6
18:16:31 <stickster> Er, sorry, EPEL
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18:16:39 <stickster> #info Link above contains list of added modules (other than AuthFAS and the theme) which require packaging for EPEL
18:16:56 <gwerra> stickster: there is a slight problem with packaging that I noticed though, it doesn't make the /etc/drupal6/all/{modules,themes} dirs
18:17:14 <stickster> gwerra: Good catch -- file a bug
18:17:17 <gwerra> that needs to be owned by the package IMHO
18:17:21 <gwerra> stickster: will do
18:17:25 <smooge> where are we on package review for drupal6?
18:17:31 <gwerra> smooge: its done
18:17:40 <smooge> ah cool
18:17:44 <stickster> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569833 (package review bug for Drupal6)
18:18:19 <stickster> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569833#c30 <-- unresolved problem that's blocking final step of import?
18:18:49 <gwerra> err right, I dint catch that
18:19:01 <stickster> smooge: Are you either Pythonista enough to fix that, or can you get with the maintainer responsible for that bug and get it unblocked?
18:19:29 <gwerra> stickster: IIRC there was a new version in updates-testing or something
18:19:30 <stickster> #info Oxf13 is assignee for bug 619979
18:19:31 <smooge> will look
18:20:21 <stickster> Thanks gwerra -- smooge, maybe best proposal is: #action smooge figure out best way to unstick bug 569833, which hopefully is not very work intensive at this point
18:20:36 <stickster> Sound good?
18:21:09 * stickster takes silence as consent :-)
18:21:20 <stickster> #action smooge figure out best way to unstick bug 569833, which hopefully is not very work intensive at this point
18:21:28 <smooge> there is a workaround in the bugzilla I am reading .
18:21:45 <smooge> does jon ciesla come online?
18:22:02 <gwerra> stickster: I commented on the review request about the change required
18:22:06 <stickster> .fas ciesla
18:22:06 <zodbot> stickster: limb 'Jon Ciesla' <limb@jcomserv.net>
18:22:20 <stickster> .fasinfo limb
18:22:21 <zodbot> stickster: User: limb, Name: Jon Ciesla, email: limb@jcomserv.net, Creation: 2006-11-09, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5101012, GPG key ID: E621111A, Status: active
18:22:25 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs +packager provenpackager
18:23:29 <stickster> smooge: I don't recall 'limb' from IRC, I think that may be a different person altogether
18:23:44 <smooge> ok
18:23:50 <stickster> smooge: Best results I got were to email Jon directly -- he's a very affable fellow and is happy we're interested in what he's doing
18:23:53 <smooge> will try to get with jon tomorow on this
18:24:26 <stickster> smooge: If you find he wants to meet online to have some help with this, I'll make time to meet you guys too
18:24:51 <stickster> OK, we're kind of out of the theme topic at this point :-)
18:25:27 <stickster> gwerra: Let's aim to review the theme on Monday, and hopefully have something basically ready (with some tweaks remaining) for next Thursday's meeting.
18:25:31 <stickster> Does that work for yoU?
18:25:45 <gwerra> yup
18:26:45 <smooge> thanks doing so.
18:27:09 <smooge> I will not be at next Thursdays meeting but will work out after class what needs to be done
18:27:28 <stickster> #action gwerra will prepare theme for review on Monday, and hopefully basically ready (with some tweaks remaining) for next Thursday's meeting
18:27:51 <stickster> #info gwerra will not be at 2010-09-30 meeting but can address any remaining items following that meeting
18:28:08 <gwerra> stickster: huh? thats smooge not me :P
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18:28:19 <stickster> Whoops, sorry!
18:28:31 <stickster> #info smooge will not be at 2010-09-30 meeting but can address any remaining items following that meeting
18:28:53 <stickster> smooge: I think mainly that will consist of replicating our work on stg.fp.o
18:29:18 <stickster> Which brings me to...
18:29:19 <stickster> #topic Moving to staging
18:29:21 <smooge> okie dokie
18:29:35 <stickster> smooge: Let me show you two links which you may already know about :-)
18:29:46 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal
18:29:51 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_content_configuration
18:29:58 <smooge> I had some
18:30:02 <smooge> but not both
18:30:12 <stickster> I've tried to carefully document setup and the changes made so it's possible to duplicate our instance from scratch
18:30:41 <stickster> smooge: In actuality you can just move the database to get everything done for you, once you've installed the drupal6 software and modules :-)
18:31:15 <stickster> Similar to previous experience with Zikula really
18:32:40 <stickster> smooge: Since you're dealing with Jon and that bug, do you want me to work up spec files for the two Drupal modules?
18:32:44 <smooge> stickster, I would prefer to start off with a fresh so we can make sure we have the steps included.
18:33:05 <stickster> smooge: I think that's a very wise decision -- if I made any mistakes we can catch and correct them
18:33:09 <smooge> stickster, how about we split/work on them together later today
18:33:18 <stickster> smooge: Sure! There are only two so that's easy enough :-)
18:33:36 <smooge> plus I will need them for my home site probably :)
18:33:48 <stickster> #action stickster and smooge to package the two modules currently needed (Flexifilter and Footnotes)
18:34:52 <smooge> let me know when its time for silly questions
18:35:18 <stickster> gwerra: There's a pending item for getting Views installed and working for the FWN as well.
18:35:33 <stickster> We'll need that for staging
18:35:50 <stickster> gwerra: You had signed up for that, do you need someone else to take it?
18:36:10 <gwerra> stickster: nope, I'll do it
18:36:16 <stickster> OK
18:36:32 <gwerra> stickster: it with in review with the theme
18:36:41 <gwerra> be in** on monday
18:36:54 <gwerra> err, s/with/will
18:37:10 <stickster> #action gwerra create combined View for FWN that concatenates the book together
18:37:29 <stickster> I think that's all we have left to do, really, other than...
18:37:36 <stickster> #action AOB (All Other Business)
18:37:38 <stickster> oops
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18:37:45 <stickster> #topic AOB (All Other Business)
18:37:51 * stickster is FAIL at meetbot today
18:38:10 <stickster> smooge: You had a question, sock it to me baby!
18:38:58 <smooge> Ok so it has come up a couple of times in varius conversations this week
18:39:08 <smooge> is Insight OMG-Fedora?
18:39:43 <stickster> No, for the following reasons:
18:40:09 <smooge> I got this from someone wondering if we were doing an OMG and 2 someone who found insight on the wiki and was wondering
18:40:16 <stickster> (1) Insight has been in planning for a couple of years now, more if you count the fact that some people in Docs talked about a CMS as far back as 2006.
18:40:49 <stickster> (2) Insight is an official Fedora site
18:41:56 <stickster> (3) Insight eventually could be (and I hope will be) more than just a site to publish news, but a content site that also could help with communications, for example
18:42:05 <rbergeron> what's an OMG?
18:42:12 * rbergeron feels dense
18:42:31 <stickster> rbergeron: There are a couple sites called omgubuntu and omgsuse that are essentially a news blog
18:42:36 <stickster> http://omgsuse.com/content/about-omg-suse
18:42:43 <smooge> its the cool new thing that all the kids are doing
18:43:14 <rbergeron> ohhhhh
18:43:15 <rbergeron> i see
18:43:27 <smooge> stickster, thanks for the information. it will help answer some people who pop in fedora-admin
18:43:29 <stickster> We can cover that kind of content on Insight, to be sure, but I'm hoping that's only a part of what Insight does -- again, depending on what the community steps up to do
18:43:53 <smooge> rbergeron, first you hit the cheezwiz can, then you write on the omg site, then you take another hit
18:43:57 <gwerra> stickster: btw, Jon just replied to the bug with a OK to the requested change
18:44:14 <stickster> smooge: I've been in and out of working on Insight for a couple years, so no, this isn't a copy either ;-)
18:45:29 <smooge> stickster, oh I know that
18:45:46 <smooge> My first day in Boston was in a meeting on Insight
18:45:59 <smooge> mimzo did drawings and pictures of the drawings
18:46:20 <smooge> I sat around and played old man in the corner by the fire.
18:46:29 <stickster> The omgooboontoo site especially is very slick in design, they did a nice job
18:46:37 <stickster> Anyway, <eof> on that from me
18:46:47 <stickster> gwerra: Cool
18:46:52 <smooge> ok it answers my question and lets me know what to say
18:48:07 <rbergeron> lol
18:48:18 <rbergeron> oh my gooboontoo? ;)
18:49:53 <stickster> heh
18:49:59 * stickster has nothing further, should we close?
18:50:19 * gwerra has nothing too
18:54:07 * gwerra goes AFK
18:54:19 <rbergeron> feel free.
18:55:59 <smooge> please close
18:56:03 <smooge> #endmeeting