14:06:54 <pbrobinson> #startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting
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14:06:54 <pbrobinson> #chair pwhalen pbrobinson bcotton
14:06:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton pbrobinson pwhalen
14:06:54 <pbrobinson> #topic roll call
14:06:57 <pbrobinson> who is here
14:07:00 <pbrobinson> sorry I'm later
14:07:03 * lorbus_ waves
14:07:03 * pwhalen is here
14:07:08 <tim-jones> i'm here
14:07:13 <lorbus_> .hello lorbus
14:07:14 <zodbot> lorbus_: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' <c@petersen-glombek.de>
14:08:00 <pbrobinson> well I'm late so everyone should be about so lets get moving
14:08:04 <pbrobinson> #topic 1) ==== Working Group process and admin  ====
14:08:07 <bcotton> .hello2
14:08:08 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
14:08:26 <pbrobinson> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/InternetOfThings/PRD
14:08:35 <pbrobinson> #info we should be signing this off today
14:09:01 <pbrobinson> I was also suppose to have updated a lot of it from last week's meeting which I've failed at due to Beta and grub2 and blockers
14:09:34 <bcotton> the use cases and personas still seem a little thin, imo
14:10:14 <pbrobinson> bcotton: yes, I had all of yesterday morning crossed out to do that, and I spent 16 hours yesterday dealing with explosions :-/
14:10:17 <bcotton> pbrobinson: if you think this next week will be any less absorbed by blockers, i propose we wait another week. if not, we can always make edits later
14:10:26 <bcotton> figurative, i hope
14:11:44 <pbrobinson> bcotton: I will be doing it today/tomorrow to close my bit out and then will send it out to the list
14:12:00 <pbrobinson> I am travelling next week with lots of meetings so I want to get it done now
14:12:30 <pbrobinson> I wasn't expecting to be the focus on some low level blockers because I was the only one who could recreate them
14:14:17 * pwhalen is thankful for the grub2 work yesterday
14:14:51 <pbrobinson> #action pbrobinson to finish the updates and send an email out to the list
14:14:53 <pbrobinson> #topic 2) ==== Nightly builds  ====
14:15:16 <pbrobinson> so we now have Fedora 30 nightlies stable with ARMv7 installer iso
14:15:56 <pbrobinson> we also as of today have a new rpm-ostree build which allows us to drop out weak dependencies which reduces the package count by about 15%
14:16:09 <pwhalen> excellent
14:16:56 <pbrobinson> #info weak dependencies now disabled in F-29/F-30 composes, package dep reduction about %15, please file an issue if anything that goes you feel should be in a release
14:17:29 <pbrobinson> #info Fedora 29 main composes should have RC1 later today
14:18:09 <pbrobinson> we won't be specifically doing a Beta compose for IoT but I will send an email out as tomorrow's compose will be the same material for IoT
14:18:42 <pbrobinson> does anyone have any queries around the nightly composes
14:19:44 <pbrobinson> hey lorbus_ what's the latest on the greenboot packaging?
14:20:03 <tim-jones> i'm interested in that as well
14:20:09 <pbrobinson> hey mrizo
14:20:24 <mrizo> Hey Peter.
14:21:01 <lorbus_> pbrobinson: I'll get back to it today! I had to spent more days than anticipated in Berlin to find a flat and I didnt have my lappy with me
14:21:33 <pbrobinson> lorbus_: no issues, hasn't seen you about so had just hoped all was OK :)
14:21:41 <pbrobinson> hope you found one in the end
14:21:45 <lorbus_> Also I finally got an intern contract and am extremely happy to be joining RH on Oct 1 :)
14:21:59 <pbrobinson> lorbus_: that is extremely exciting news!
14:22:09 <mrizo> Congrat :-)
14:22:11 <lorbus_> yes I did! Will move there in 2 weeks :)
14:22:11 <pwhalen> lorbus_, congrats!
14:22:20 <lorbus_> thanks all =)
14:22:26 <pbrobinson> end of sept will be busy for you then!
14:22:26 <tim-jones> great news :-)
14:23:00 <pbrobinson> #topic 3) ==== Fedora 29 status for IoT ====
14:23:16 <pbrobinson> so in general I think we're looking OK for Fedora 29
14:23:32 <lorbus_> this month has been crazy, sleeping on couches most of the time. Things will cool down a little now I hope :)
14:23:34 <pbrobinson> I would like to get the greenboot package in there for people to start to test ;-)
14:24:01 <pbrobinson> are there any specific things that people would like addressed in F-29
14:24:01 <lorbus_> Its my top prio now, hope its all done by tomorrow
14:24:35 <pbrobinson> in particular I'd like to as mrizo tim-jones or anyone else if there's any thing on their list that could do with improvement
14:27:31 <tim-jones> Virtualisation setup (e.g. qemu) would be really useful - but perhaps this is not what you were after
14:28:25 <tim-jones> Will the radio stuff become part of the distribution e.g, brcm-firmware?
14:28:27 <pbrobinson> tim-jones: the problem with virt is that it would bloat the image massively, and it wouldn't really work on small edge style devices such as the Raspberry Pi as they're resource contrained
14:28:38 <tim-jones> No - did not mean this
14:29:05 <tim-jones> meant setup to virtualise a raspi running fedora-iot on a PC/Mac
14:29:26 <Paul-muadib> pbrobinson: any way to move these to rpm-fusion or something ?
14:29:27 <tim-jones> We would want the skinniest distribution possible on the pi
14:29:28 <pbrobinson> ah, right. So you can run the image with libvirt now
14:29:48 <Paul-muadib> so you don't need to maintain the repo
14:29:52 <tim-jones> (I've spent lots of time getting nowhere)
14:30:10 <pbrobinson> tim-jones: I do most of my testing of both aarch64 and x86_64 as VMs, not specifically emulating the RPi, but generic virt
14:31:15 <tim-jones> Can you build everything required for a aarch64 image in a VM?
14:31:25 <pbrobinson> Paul-muadib: tim-jones: the brcm-firmware problems I'm actually hopeful will no longer be a problem before F-29 GA.
14:31:40 <Paul-muadib> cool !!!
14:31:50 <pbrobinson> I will know more about it next week I think
14:32:04 <tim-jones> That's good news
14:33:28 <pbrobinson> tim-jones: the images are built in an aarch64 VM, maybe ping me in the #fedora-iot channel and we can delve into details there
14:33:53 <tim-jones> pbrobinson - thanks will do
14:35:00 <pbrobinson> anyone else with F-29 IoT queries?
14:36:21 <pbrobinson> #topic 4) ==== Fedora 30 planning ====
14:36:44 <pbrobinson> right... even though 29 isn't out yet, we need to start planning for Fedora 30
14:37:06 <pbrobinson> #info the core plan will be to become an edition
14:37:40 <pbrobinson> #info will need input from design, web and other areas in that transition
14:38:15 <pbrobinson> #info core functionality will be extended using the container built pipeline which is in the process of getting multi arch support
14:40:25 <pbrobinson> #info plan to move to ignition for core provisioning of users and related functionality
14:40:27 <pbrobinson> #link https://github.com/coreos/ignition/blob/master/doc/getting-started.md
14:41:12 <pbrobinson> #info plan to move most IoT based tools into an "IoT Toolbox" container and slim the base OS right down
14:41:26 <pbrobinson> anyone have any queries or ideas or requests?
14:46:23 <pwhalen> we will need some CI/CD in f30, of which I hope to get time to investigate shortly
14:48:32 <pbrobinson> #topic 5) ==== Open Floor ====
14:48:43 <pbrobinson> right, you're a quiet bunch today
14:49:20 <bcotton> #info Fedora Magazine article ran today
14:49:21 <pbrobinson> I'm going to be travelling next week, so I'm not sure my status, so phwalen will run the meeting and I should likely be throwing pot shots from the side
14:49:22 <bcotton> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/turnon-led-fedora-iot/
14:49:35 <pbrobinson> bcotton++ yes, that's awesome!
14:49:38 <zodbot> pbrobinson: Karma for bcotton changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:50:40 <pbrobinson> alciregi++ for writing it and some other good blog posts
14:50:40 <zodbot> pbrobinson: Karma for alciregi changed to 5 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:51:08 <pwhalen> alciregi++ indeed, thanks!
14:51:52 <pbrobinson> We're got around 8 minutes if anyone wants to bring something up
14:52:52 * pwhalen has been looking at the Beta, apologies for being too distracted
14:55:35 <pbrobinson> thank you all
14:55:35 <pbrobinson> #endmeeting