14:00:47 <pbrobinson> #startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting
14:00:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 13 14:00:47 2019 UTC.
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14:00:47 <pbrobinson> #chair pwhalen pbrobinson bcotton
14:00:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton pbrobinson pwhalen
14:00:47 <pbrobinson> #topic roll call
14:01:13 * pwhalen is here
14:01:27 * ipcloud here
14:02:23 <pbrobinson> we'll give people a few mins
14:03:30 * laubersm wakes up
14:03:30 <alciregi> .hello2
14:03:31 <zodbot> alciregi: alciregi 'Alessio Ciregia' <alciregi@gmail.com>
14:04:28 <pbrobinson> let's do it
14:04:29 <pbrobinson> #topic 1) ==== Working Group process and admin  ====
14:05:00 <pbrobinson> so just going to highlight the docs
14:05:17 <pbrobinson> #info IoT docs https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/iot/
14:05:40 <pbrobinson> #info IoT test day today https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Fedora_IoT_Edition_2019-03-13
14:05:57 <pbrobinson> thanks to pwhalen and all those involved
14:06:28 <pwhalen> yes, please test and update results folks. its a little rough around the edges for the first go but I think we should be able to kick the tires a little even with the incomplete compose
14:07:14 <pwhalen> notably missing is a rpm-ostree rebase/upgrade/rollback test . so if folks who know can do that, that would be awesome. I will write up a testcase for it as well
14:07:36 <pbrobinson> the iot.fp.o landing page should be live soon, probably this week. I'm going to update some of the text and tweak some bits
14:07:40 <pwhalen> also, if you think there is something missing we should be testing either write up a testcase for it or .. tell us here
14:07:57 <pbrobinson> #info site feedback welcome, going live soon, text to be updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Fedora_IoT_Edition_2019-03-13
14:07:58 <pwhalen> I'm happy to write it up
14:08:12 <pbrobinson> #undo
14:08:12 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pbrobinson at 14:07:57 : site feedback welcome, going live soon, text to be updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Fedora_IoT_Edition_2019-03-13
14:08:51 <pbrobinson> #info pwhalen will add more tests if they're missing for IoT testing, feel free to suggest additions to IoT tests
14:09:12 <pbrobinson> any one any thing else for test day?
14:09:59 * tdawson got here late.  Sorry
14:10:32 <pwhalen> howdy tdawson
14:10:48 <laubersm> pwhalen, do you have a suggestion of which image to do an upgrade from?
14:11:00 <laubersm> or is there an update today to apply to yesterday's compose?
14:11:19 <laubersm> I'm thinking works but not so old the update takes forever
14:11:31 <pwhalen> one would need to update from an earlier compose
14:12:07 <pwhalen> but not sure if yesterdays would be live, in that it failed.. I think it is
14:12:22 <pbrobinson> there was one about 15th of Feb
14:12:30 <laubersm> I'll browse the tree
14:13:19 <pbrobinson> it might even still be the one linked to the latest-30 link at the bottom, you should see the date in the web dir listing
14:13:24 <laubersm> latest is still linked to Feb 15th but there are a few others in between if I am daring.
14:13:57 <laubersm> I probably even have feb 15th downloaded already :)
14:14:25 <pwhalen> that sounds right for successful compose. standard Fedora composes which we consume have been failing for a long time as well
14:15:09 <laubersm> unfortunately I only have libvirt to test in since my only device is rpi3
14:15:27 <laubersm> ping me when you think you have that console issue worked out :)
14:16:46 * pwhalen thinks Peter jumped out the window with the mention of the console issue
14:17:22 <pbrobinson> yes, it's on my list with a bajillion other things
14:17:53 <pwhalen> some ostree oddity
14:18:04 <pbrobinson> probably tonight right after I go to the store for a palet of wine, I can cry over that an brexit with the same glass ^W bottle
14:19:07 <laubersm> sounds like a high ROI
14:19:20 <bexelbie> can we steal you for 10 seconds pbrobinson for an objective update?
14:20:14 <pbrobinson> #info site feedback welcome, going live soon, text to be updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Fedora_IoT_Edition_2019-03-13
14:22:04 <pbrobinson> #topic 2) ==== Fedora 29 release 2 status ====
14:22:17 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: can you do an initial update while I finish the council bits
14:22:27 <pwhalen> sure
14:23:01 <pwhalen> I dont think we have much new to report, the remaining blocker with the raspberry pi console/display not working
14:23:43 <pwhalen> we're all pretty familiar with it, to recap it all works in standard fedora - same kernel/uboot/firmwar
14:24:00 <pwhalen> but for some reason it fails on an ostree based install.
14:24:17 <pwhalen> I am not aware of any other issues in the updated composes
14:25:06 <pwhalen> and the same issue seems to also affect the f30 image
14:27:25 <pwhalen> That's about all I had, has anyone else hit any issues? I would imagine people have upgraded to our most recent composes
14:27:49 <pbrobinson> there's an issue around x86 images, hoping to have the final fix for that this week
14:29:11 <pbrobinson> with the above we should have the RPi wifi working
14:30:03 <pwhalen> right. pbrobinson has been working on that most of this week as well, getting the needed changes into Fedora so we can consume them in iot. Since we're in freeze it takes some effort
14:31:08 <pbrobinson> #topic 3) ==== Fedora 30 ====
14:31:16 <pbrobinson> a bunch of that also covers f30
14:31:54 <tdawson> I tried a mnimal F30 image on my rpi3a (which has wireless only) and the wireless worked ... so I'm very hopeful for the IoT image.
14:32:27 <pwhalen> tdawson, if you can get the serial console working as it does in f30..
14:33:07 <tdawson> pwhalen: I'm thinking I might do some diffs between the two images, see if I can spot anything obvious.
14:33:50 <pwhalen> I think it should also be possible to rebase from an f29 release 1 to f30 and have it continue working, but I have yet to try
14:34:06 <pwhalen> on the rpi3 specifically
14:35:02 <laubersm> pwhalen, it did a few weeks ago for me. I haven't tried the latest yet.
14:35:03 <pwhalen> so yes, for f30 please visit the test day page and run through what tests we can. and by all means, test your own project, container deployment etc
14:35:11 <laubersm> it was only the initial (user) setup that was a problem
14:35:53 <pwhalen> laubersm, good to know, going to do that today and try to write up a testcase for it so we can use for a more complete test day
14:37:53 <pbrobinson> on the RPi console stuff, I think I'm going to revert the possible problems with the firmware/DT/kernel interaction and move that issue to F-31 and be done with it
14:38:18 <pbrobinson> will get a test done later today and we'll work out what FE/blocker we need to get it into beta
14:38:24 <pwhalen> which is unfortunate, but not sure what else we can do
14:39:03 <pbrobinson> well it causes other issues like support for devices based on the RPi3 Compute module which I have a whole queue of people bothering me about
14:39:18 <pwhalen> FE/blocker shouldnt be too much an issue because of how isolated it will be
14:39:23 <pwhalen> right
14:39:38 <pbrobinson> so it moves the stress to a different angle, but for me doesn't remove it any
14:39:53 <pwhalen> :(
14:41:48 <pbrobinson> anyone else for anything for F-30?
14:42:02 <pwhalen> in more positive news, pbrobinson got the armv7 disk images added
14:42:10 <pwhalen> I dont think we mentioned that before
14:42:37 <pwhalen> while there are still bugs to be fixed, its now testable
14:43:18 * pwhalen has nothing else for f30
14:43:49 <pbrobinson> tdawson: what's the latest on Moz IoT bits?
14:44:05 <tdawson> pwhalen: I'm not seeing armv7 disk images on either Iot Test Day or the compses pages.
14:44:22 <pwhalen> tdawson, hidden in koji, because the x86 image task failed
14:44:32 <pwhalen> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=33436420
14:44:45 <tdawson> pbrobinson: I've gotten the gateway rpm cleaned up, I think as clean as I can.  I *think* I tossed it back to jsmith but I didn't get a reply from him yet.
14:44:55 <tdawson> pwhalen: Thanks, I'll grab that too.
14:45:24 <pwhalen> tdawson, it definitely wont work, but if you want to play around trying to get it to work..
14:45:27 <tdawson> There were *alot* of hidden files and things that really shouldn't be there in the node_modules that got pulled down.
14:46:08 <pbrobinson> tdawson: OK, sounds good, lets hope he has a few cycles to get it closed out soon
14:46:10 <tdawson> I think I got everything cleaned up that could be cleaned up.  So I'm waiting to see if Jared thinks it's good enough ... which ... I think I've already said.
14:47:41 <pbrobinson> lorbus: if you're about do you have anything to note on GreenBoot? Any ETA for 0.7 or other updates?
14:48:00 <tdawson> I thik that's it for me, other than I'm hoping they get gateway 0.8 out soon ... it should have logging in it.
14:49:55 <lorbus> pbrobinson: On PTO this week, end of next week may be doable, definitely before Final Freeze
14:50:05 <pwhalen> nice, thanks tdawson
14:50:37 <pwhalen> enjoy the pto lorbus, wait what are you doing here and answered so quickly :)
14:50:59 <pbrobinson> lorbus: awesome. thanks, enjoy PTO
14:51:21 <lorbus> forgot to turn off riot notifications lol
14:51:31 <pbrobinson> lucky us :)
14:51:32 <pwhalen> :)
14:51:41 <pbrobinson> #topic 4) ==== Open Floor ====
14:52:06 <pbrobinson> we have a few mins, anyone for general business?
14:52:26 <tdawson> I was wondering if anyone was going to embeeded linux conference N.A. ?
14:52:43 <tdawson> It's at the same place and time as Open Source Summit N.A. ... in San Diego
14:53:45 <laubersm> I am thinking about OSS and the colocated/preceding security summit
14:53:47 <pbrobinson> tdawson: possibly
14:53:48 <pwhalen> tdawson, where in the world are you? (sorry if you answered before)
14:54:00 <pbrobinson> tdawson: I've been to the last few
14:54:02 <tdawson> pwhalen: Nowdays, I'm in Spokane Washington (USA)
14:54:32 <tdawson> pwhalen: I used to be in Chicago
14:54:35 * pwhalen is just outside of Toronto, Canada
14:54:50 <pwhalen> tdawson, cool, thanks was curious
14:55:36 * laubersm is willing to help with a presentation for a tix (CFP open until Apr2)
14:56:17 <tdawson> That's sorta what I was wondering, if anyone was doing a presentation, or if they wanted me to submit for one.
14:57:04 <tdawson> Or maybe multiple people submit, and they'll pick someone from Fedora IoT group
14:57:06 <pbrobinson> it's on my todo list
14:57:24 <laubersm> I have the week reserved and am seeking an excuse to pay my way out there.
14:57:31 <laubersm> I'm just really bad at coming up with ideas
14:57:37 <pbrobinson> laubersm: me too!
14:57:46 <tdawson> laubersm: How far away are you?
14:57:50 <laubersm> NC
14:58:04 <pbrobinson> and the LF ones often need a bunch of buzz word bingo and hype
14:58:31 <tdawson> *laughs*  Yep
14:58:41 <laubersm> I have presented at OSS before so that could help
14:59:02 <tdawson> It's become much more commercial since it became OSS ... but I still like it.
14:59:27 <pbrobinson> I've presented a couple of times but also not been accepted a few times too
14:59:42 <Southern_Gentlem> laubersm, i am sure SELF would like an fedora IOT talk
15:02:28 <pbrobinson> lets free up the channel, we can chat about this on #fedora-iot
15:02:29 <pbrobinson> thank you all
15:02:29 <pbrobinson> #endmeeting