22:34:34 #startmeeting 22:34:34 Meeting started Wed Sep 4 22:34:34 2013 UTC. The chair is aeperezt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:34:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:34:47 #meetingname Fedora Latam Ambassadors 22:34:47 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_ambassadors' 22:34:49 .fas echevemaster 22:34:49 echevemaster_: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 22:34:53 * echevemaster_ Venezuela 22:34:57 .fas alexove 22:34:57 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 22:35:02 #topic rolcall 22:35:05 * alexove Perú 22:35:06 .fas aeperezt 22:35:07 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 22:35:09 * aeperezt Panama 22:36:11 #chair echevemaster echevemaster_ tatica 22:36:11 Current chairs: aeperezt echevemaster echevemaster_ tatica 22:36:35 .fas tatica 22:36:35 tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 22:36:42 #chair mribeirodantas 22:36:42 Current chairs: aeperezt echevemaster echevemaster_ mribeirodantas tatica 22:38:17 .fas mribeirodantas 22:38:17 mribeirodantas: mribeirodantas 'Marcel Ribeiro Dantas' 22:38:18 * mribeirodantas Brazil 22:38:26 .fas mayorgalinux 22:38:26 mayorga: mayorgalinux 'Eduardo Mayorga Téllez' 22:38:32 * mayorga Nicaragua 22:38:34 .fas danniel 22:38:34 Danniel-Lara: danniel 'Daniel Lara Souza' - hdanniel 'Hector Paz' 22:38:42 * Danniel-Lara Brazil 22:39:11 * tatica Venezuela 22:39:35 .fas asoliard 22:39:36 asoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' 22:40:44 metting agenda https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/9 22:41:10 #topic ticket 121 22:41:57 Itamar ping me today about projetofedora.org seems like the transfer block has been clear how ever we still have not get the transfer code 22:42:15 so notting else to report 22:42:16 How clear? Who told him that? 22:42:17 on that 22:42:32 mribeirodantas, on the who is does not have it 22:42:52 mribeirodantas, meaning that transfer can be done if owner allow it 22:42:52 He only told you that it was finally transfered, though we still have no transfer code 22:42:55 that's it? 22:43:18 mribeirodantas, right 22:43:23 Oh, ok. 22:43:43 So all we have to do is to tell y1nv that and he will "accept" the transfer, that's it? 22:43:50 mribeirodantas, right 22:44:12 we can doing a public exclamation to the owner? 22:44:20 Well, finally some good news :). I don't think Itamar would say that without being sure, so I think it's finally solved. 22:44:25 I think that we should pressure him 22:44:53 echevemaster_: by the owner, he meant yv1n, I think. yv1n has to accept the transfer, our side has finally been done 22:45:02 has finally done it* 22:45:08 mribeirodantas, I will not celebrate yeat 22:45:33 aeperezt: I think the same :-/ 22:45:41 well, I don't blame you. We've been struggling with that for a long time 22:45:47 I won't celebrate either, though I think we're closer than ever. 22:45:57 yes it looks closer 22:46:00 at least is good to make some advance though 22:46:04 well, but is a advancement 22:46:42 missing proyectofedora y projetofedora can be very sad 22:46:46 Believe me, I hate this story more than most of you, since it's someone from my country who did "this" 22:46:47 I want to jump some tickets and leave 154 for last do you agreee 22:46:59 aeperezt: sure. 22:47:36 yes aeperezt, no problem 22:47:48 same for 155 22:48:07 np 22:48:15 #topic ticket 156 Fesoli 2013 22:49:04 Fesoli is a big event on Peru 22:49:15 Saludos 22:49:21 #link http://fesoli.cosolig.org/#ponentes 22:49:21 .fas CarlitosPeru 22:49:22 mribeirodantas: 'CarlitosPeru' Not Found! 22:49:24 buenas tardes 22:49:31 Buenas. 22:49:33 aeperezt Eso es cierto, siempre que querido ir pero no puede :-( 22:49:46 .fas drlinux34 22:49:46 aeperezt: drlinux34 'Carlos Jara Alva' 22:49:47 justo estaban hablando del fesoli 22:50:03 CarlitosPeru, is the owner 22:50:14 CarlitosPeru: llegó en el tiempo :) 22:50:16 el Fesoli es un evento realizado por una de las comunidades de software libre mas antiguas de Lima 22:50:21 llamada COSOLIG 22:50:33 siempre me invitan y esta vez 22:50:34 Nicaragua 22:50:35 fas. crisvann 22:50:37 last year he ask support for it and with luck I could send some stuff that I had with a friend who was returning to Peru 22:50:39 CarlitosPeru: Cool. By international, it means people from all over the world come, or that other countries celebrate it too? 22:51:01 http://fesoli.cosolig.org/ 22:51:03 son invitados 22:51:06 personas de otros paises 22:51:07 mribeirodantas, yes 22:51:15 hay ponencias nacionales e internacionales 22:51:19 miren la pagina 22:51:21 http://fesoli.cosolig.org/ 22:51:27 alli estan otros ponentes de otros años 22:51:34 años 22:51:40 Mad Dog 22:51:47 estuvo creo en el 2009.. 22:51:51 que fecha es? no lo veo :/ 22:51:53 y asi vienen de todos los paises.. 22:51:56 en noviembre.. 22:51:59 This year is on November 22:52:09 ahora no lo haran en Ica 22:52:13 perdon 22:52:13 en Lima 22:52:19 bueno 22:52:20 ahora lo haran en la sede de Ica 22:52:25 * alexove con vino? :-) 22:52:30 te regalan 22:52:33 por participar 22:52:36 podríamos llevar algo de material al fudcon y que les quede para el fesoli, no? 22:52:41 a mi me regalaron el año pasado 22:52:44 o que de la producción del fudcon algo quede 22:52:56 so I will send what I have for it with the ambassadors from Panama 22:53:20 siempre los de cosolig me consideran y consideran a la comunidad de Fedora.. 22:53:31 ha resultado bien hasta ahora los envios aeperezt , me parece excelente idea 22:53:40 tatica, there are some buttons that Neville will bring so he can give at least 50 for Fesoli 22:54:00 awesome 22:54:13 justo estaba coordinando eso con Alejandro 22:54:14 I don't have much left but I will try to help as much as i can 22:54:22 sobre el envio de articulos a ese evento 22:54:40 maybe (even if might be stupid) i could do some crafts to give as gifts to those who package something or join something 22:54:43 that usually motivates a lot 22:54:58 artesanias.. seria genial.. 22:54:59 tatica, since we have issue to transfer money to Peru it could be a nice Idea to bring what we can if there are no other big events that need to be cover 22:55:01 todo es bienvenido.. 22:55:17 en estos fines de mes 22:55:23 CarlitosPeru, super :) 22:55:24 al menos siempre me invitan de otras universidades 22:55:29 tatica, I will send the case badges I have from last batch 22:55:33 maybe I could knit some fedora hats for the cold 22:55:44 I might need only some bucks to buy yarn and that would be it 22:55:48 que chevere.. tatica teje... 22:55:51 if that could enter into the budget :/ 22:56:13 le comentaba a Alejandro 22:56:17 que hay otra 22:56:20 persona que ayuda Fedora 22:56:24 miren este enlace 22:56:25 We have no budget reserve for Fesoli 22:56:37 .fas wolnei 22:56:40 wolnei: charged '' - wolnei 'Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior' 22:56:41 but we can spend 100 dls on it 22:56:46 no!!! 22:56:50 that's too much! lol 22:56:56 the problem is how to produce it and take to Peru 22:57:02 probably would be like 20/30usd top, lol 22:57:07 yarn isn't that expensive jejeje 22:57:13 is just yarn 22:57:14 in this case we could 22:57:16 http://www.seoane.edu.pe/webseoane/ 22:57:20 su nombre es Bernardo 22:57:33 el es profesor de ese instituto 22:57:42 y el sabado hara un fedora dy 22:57:44 no podre ir 22:57:45 tatica, add that to the ticket 22:57:52 porque tengo que trabajar 22:58:08 and lets vote to support the event so we can have up to 100 dls for it 22:58:08 pero es una de las personas mas activas de fedora.. 22:58:11 aeperezt, sure, let me buy it during the week and I will add the cost once I have it 22:58:29 CarlitosPeru nos estamos saliendo del tema creo, pero converse con Bernardo y va ha iniciar su proceso de aceptación como embajador 22:58:30 practicamente el instituto musa fedora 22:58:43 que bueno 22:58:50 ya ok.. 22:58:53 bueno 22:59:04 entonces support for Fesoli hasta 100 dls voten por favor 22:59:10 +1 22:59:31 +1 22:59:34 Sorry, maybe I'm not following 22:59:37 Do they need 100 dls? 22:59:37 1 22:59:47 +1 22:59:50 mribeirodantas, no they don't need the 100 dls 23:00:02 What are we voting for, then? 23:00:04 we are going to send stuff we already have 23:00:14 aw, ok. 23:00:16 +1 23:00:21 plus something tatica will buy about 25 dls 23:00:29 :) 23:00:30 +1 23:00:51 +1 23:00:58 so the ticket will have the 25 dls plus all material we will bring to Cusco 23:01:04 +1 23:01:39 I'd like to ask a question about producing material 23:01:41 +1 23:01:43 Should I wait till offtopic, or ask it here? 23:01:48 #agreed support for ticket 156 Fesoli 2013 up top 100 23:01:55 mribeirodantas, off topic 23:01:58 k, sorry :) 23:02:09 estaba coordinando con Alex para que me entregue el pedido que quede del Fudcon... 23:02:26 mribeirodantas, the issue with Peru is that we have not figure out how to send them money paypal do not work there 23:02:37 I see. 23:02:48 mribeirodantas, so it is complicated. 23:03:22 #ticket 157 SoliSC 2013 23:03:34 wolnie 23:04:21 #link 23:04:25 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/157 23:04:45 i quote in 3 differents places the price to produce media and adhesives 23:05:01 wolnei, is there any link of the event 23:05:16 www.solisc.org.br 23:05:26 please add it to the ticket 23:05:32 ok 23:06:39 wolnei, how fedora will participate on the event 23:07:24 we will have 2 talks and a table on the user groups 23:08:31 wolnei: Could you tell what are the fedora talks? (themes) 23:08:47 one will be Fedora Project and Fedora 20 23:08:57 is there any other event on Latam that will require budget 23:09:10 * mribeirodantas loved Heisenbug. He voted for it[/excitement] 23:09:12 and another will be Why participate of Open Source Project 23:09:22 aeperezt: well, I'd 23:09:34 wolnei: cool. 23:10:01 we only have 300 dls for swags that is why I ask on this quarter 23:10:04 in Argentina there's an event, "CISL", but I can't go. I don't konw if someone from Argentina can go 23:10:08 aeperezt: Two Fedora Ambassadors and I are organizing a Software Freedom Day in my city, and though we're done with fedora stuff, I was wondering about buying someone to do it 23:10:30 paying someone to do it* and then I could pay, and then be reimbursed. 23:10:39 I was keeping it for #offtopic, but since you asked... 23:11:14 the requested budged for SoliSC is 154 dls 23:11:27 so lets vote 23:11:41 is there anyone else asking teh remaining 146 usd? 23:11:46 for the* 23:11:57 the idea, if necessary will be possible reuse the dvds in other fedora versions 23:12:20 mribeirodantas, not yeat but I'm counting the 25 for fesoli so it is not 146 23:12:33 I traveled along with crsesilva and apahim a few weeks ago and well, all we had were F18 medias and stickers. I gave it all 23:12:50 aeperezt: I think we may need 100 usd. Definitely, not more than that 23:12:57 I will file a ticket as soon as I get the quotes 23:14:32 so votes for ticket 157 23:14:41 +1 23:14:42 +1 23:14:52 +1 23:14:53 +1 23:14:57 +1 23:15:02 wolnei: are you the speaker for the ".... Open Source" talk? 23:15:07 +1! 23:15:14 +1 23:15:20 for both talks 23:15:25 Would you mind replacing Open Source for Free Software or FOSS? 23:15:35 #agreed on ticket 157 request for 154 dls 23:15:49 Name it whatever you like, I won't be mad or sad :D. But, Open Source is not really what we usually mean 23:16:03 * mayorga supports mribeirodantas proposal 23:16:05 though saying FOSS, it's almost sure we're not making a mistake or confusing both subjects. 23:16:09 the format and theme was aproved by event, i cant change now 23:16:27 Okey :) 23:16:40 The world will be happier if you say free software more often than open source during your talk, though 23:16:43 :~) 23:16:59 #topic ticket 154 23:17:24 Improved report suggested by Leonardo Vaz 23:17:32 ! 23:17:49 go ahead mribeirodantas 23:18:23 Leonardo suggested the personal report wiki page a while ago, and at the very first time I was filling it I thought of something. I wanted to bring it up for discussion in here but I chose to wait more users to adopt it and then we would have more feedback for discussion. 23:19:02 I believe most ambassadors (if not all ambassadors) support Fedora in different ways. And I can't really think of how it's not also being an ambassador. Depending on your tasks, it turns to be extremelly difficult/annoying or ineffective to report that in that format 23:19:22 So what I suggest is to define a default format so that people can easily fill a report. I think it's a long discussion but we can start it in here :) 23:19:41 I'm agree with you mribeirodantas 23:19:43 and by the way, I totally support the model. I've been using it since the very first day of its proposal 23:19:46 eof 23:20:15 mribeirodantas, I think it is a nice Idea but it will be better if it can be found as wiki template page so other users can adpot it easier 23:20:26 we must define a model, we can discuss in other meeting and propose a general model 23:20:33 ? 23:20:35 aeperezt: there is a wiki template 23:20:37 there is a model 23:20:51 mribeirodantas, what is the link of that 23:20:52 but the model is only effective and well designed for common ambassador tasks like presenting talks 23:21:25 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lmvaz/projects/ActivityReport 23:21:34 we can change and define another aspects 23:21:34 Lmvaz explains everything in this link 23:21:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lmvaz/projects/ActivityReport 23:21:41 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lmvaz/projects/ActivityReport 23:21:46 oh, sorry :x 23:22:32 for what I underestand you want to discuss those changes or improvements on another meeting right? 23:22:43 I'm agree with the ticket, I couldn't report FLISOL, because I don't understand very well the wiki. 23:23:08 aeperezt: well, I'm not in a hurry. I think the best thing is to more people to adopt the model, try to fill and complain at the next meeting at the difficulties they had 23:23:19 mribeirodantas, ok 23:23:27 It's like translation. I have reported my translations but it's kinda wierd 23:23:31 same for packagement and so on 23:23:35 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mribeirodantas/reports 23:23:36 ademas de eso, deberiamos tener un sitio central donde poner a todos los embajadores en una lista 23:23:39 You can see it in here. 23:23:44 con los links hacia sus eportes 23:23:47 so we leave the topic open and we talk a bit more on the other mettings is that ok 23:23:56 aeperezt: one hundred ok for me. 23:24:03 all right, aeperezt 23:24:14 as it is on the meeting logs others will read it and may adopted 23:24:44 Or maybe, can someone help newbies to use the wiki? 23:24:47 #topic 155 guideline rule 23:25:14 asoliard, correct way will be that mentors show new amabasadors so they know about it 23:25:29 155 is dependent of 154 23:25:39 so, we must define first 154 23:26:01 echevemaster, well not exactly 23:26:17 this is my point of view and it is not from now 23:26:57 it has been other meetings where I mention this many of them before many of you where on the meetings 23:27:32 Ambassadors do a voluntary work 23:28:00 as such we need to try to avoid burocracy and help them as much as posible 23:28:28 adding a rule that say they need to do the report format may not be a very good idea 23:28:32 Well, I think it's already a fedora thing to have an event page in the wiki before asking for funds 23:28:32 we can sugest that 23:28:35 ok 23:28:35 isn't it? 23:28:51 but not enforce it 23:29:05 mribeirodantas, right 23:29:13 but that is other case 23:29:20 yeah, I think there should be a suggestion for doing that :) 23:29:21 i had the same worry of aeperetz, suggest not force 23:29:24 you can do an event with asking for anything 23:29:43 then he do not require to fill a report 23:30:01 when you request funds is different 23:30:11 let me go a bit on the pass 23:30:22 before I was famsco 23:30:54 we have big meeting about having all things on Latam Track and back then I dissagreed why 23:31:14 becose then you have to fill up famsco track to request funds 23:31:25 so it was going to be double work 23:32:08 later famsco deside that regions will control their on funding then I have to push the use of latam track 23:32:23 but we do it only once per event 23:32:52 mribeirodantas, also the wiki event page is a requirement suggested by famsco 23:33:07 so its another matter 23:33:21 ok. I understand aeperezt 23:33:23 that is my point of view we can talk about a bit more 23:33:47 maybe we can add it as the report could use this format 23:34:03 many people including me consider report the blog post of the event 23:34:42 it is like the rule on travel sponsorship 23:35:15 That's true. 23:35:19 But we should report minor things too 23:35:21 it mention that you should do a blog post per day of the event many people only do one 23:35:31 mribeirodantas, right 23:35:32 it's sort of a personal report, but that people can read. Sometihng like "What I have been doing" 23:35:39 We should consider that, when funding people, for example. 23:35:47 mribeirodantas, here is how I look at it 23:36:27 this is an example 23:36:41 Hm 23:36:45 if you request funds for Latinoware Next year 23:37:11 I will look for your report of this year 23:37:30 if I cannot find it or there is none 23:37:43 then you will get my -1 vote 23:37:54 get the idea 23:37:55 I see. 23:38:03 it will not be a writed rule 23:38:22 but me as fedora fellow will consider my vote on that 23:38:42 Got it. 23:39:18 mribeirodantas, it do not work this year because we are basically starting from cero 23:40:53 but next year we all need to start considering that 23:40:59 I see. 23:41:05 I agree with you, 23:41:35 will keep the topic open so we can discuss it a bit more 23:41:40 agree 23:41:41 and listen to other ideas 23:41:54 el año que viene podriamos definir mas ideas con esto 23:42:03 gracias por considerarlo 23:42:10 #topic open floor 23:42:35 echevemaster_ en el FUDCon se pueden conversar cosas como estas con más calma y madurando ideas 23:43:11 I'm not sure of how aware most of you guys are regarding the discussions that have been brought up related to Fedora/Red Hat when it comes to US embargoed countries like Cuba 23:43:49 Some experienced users at #Fedora decided that it was necessary to add a note (section) in the official FAQ of the #fedora on Fedora Wiki about this subject. 23:44:24 At first, it was significantly offensive in the opinion of some users, which includes me, and triggered several blogs posts around the internet criticizing Fedora for that 23:45:05 I tried to calm these people down while talking to the ones in Fedora who created the section, like Kevin (nirik). After some discussion, we decided that we should file a ticket in the trac of irc-support-sig and we've been talking about it there for weeks now 23:45:15 I am watching, its a interesting discussion 23:45:18 There was one meeting where they talked about that, then they talked to Red Hat legal office and then it's back 23:45:25 You can follow it on the ticket 157 23:45:27 #link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/157 23:45:59 * nirik notes any further suggestions around it should go direct to legal. We put in place what legal said to do. 23:46:00 Skytux, Sergiodj and I are the ones who are talking to them, but everybody is free and very welcome to join us on this cause 23:46:10 nirik: joined in time :) 23:46:16 * nirik waves 23:46:32 Right now, since yesterday, we've been told that we should address rh legal to suggest any modification to the section 23:46:54 I'd like to thank nirik for his marvelous work while trying to understand both sides and differently from some people, he was very nice and did a great work. 23:47:07 I really think the section is much better now, though I think we should add something, as you can see in the ticket URL. 23:47:14 I try... 23:47:28 feel free to convince legal to do so and we can. ;) 23:47:41 Right now, Sergiodj, Skytux and I are planning to get together and write the e-mail to Red Hat legal about the addition of such statement 23:47:59 cool. ;) 23:48:00 I wanted to make it clear in here not only to update you guys on this, but also to gatter more people to help us on writing the e-mail :) 23:48:04 that's it. Sorry for being SO LONG ehehe 23:48:04 eof 23:48:27 mribeirodantas, ping me on that 23:48:29 Oh, by the way, it seems FSF might join us on this. 23:48:37 I'm not sure of the chances, but who knows. 23:48:55 * LoKoMurdoK here 23:49:00 * LoKoMurdoK late 23:49:05 .fas lbazan 23:49:05 LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' 23:49:14 * LoKoMurdoK Panama 23:49:31 mribeirodantas, I have a long discution about that with some users and you are right some people got offended about it 23:49:56 Since the very beginning, I didn't want to "remove" the section. I think there is some need/truth in it 23:49:59 but on my point of view RH has to follow the law 23:50:07 but I also think there are several other ways to be nice by telling people that 23:50:19 aeperezt +1 23:50:26 and I think it's extremelly important to make clear that there are volunteers world wide that may want to help people, regardless of who they are 23:50:29 or where they come from 23:50:41 mribeirodantas, right words are so easy carried away 23:51:12 aeperezt: RH is not really following the law right now. As EvilBob said (or something similar to that), Red Hat could simply make it hard for people from these countries to download Fedora 23:51:24 so Red Hat is being nice. And though it's true, people are not noticing that 23:51:33 they read the section and think, "wtf?!" 23:52:22 mribeirodantas, right but Debian has a soft stament about the downloads 23:52:36 aeperezt: what do you mean? 23:52:39 mribeirodantas, as other distros 23:52:49 But Debian is not a US-based company 23:52:58 nor is primarly sponsored by one or nothing similar. 23:53:20 mribeirodantas, not Debian is US based Fundation they are bound by the same law 23:53:29 Is it? 23:53:57 I wasn't aware of it. Whatever, the thing is that according to law Red Hat could be really evil, but it isn't which is awesome. I only want people to know that 23:54:02 Not to think that Fedora is bad or whatever. 23:54:20 mribeirodantas, they mention it how ever they soft it down by saying that they cannot control the downloads since it is on the internet 23:54:41 yeah, but they could make it more difficult to download Fedora 23:54:50 mribeirodantas, it is the same for SuSe and others based on US 23:55:03 Yum could stop working if the IP is from someone in Cuba, for example. 23:55:19 Believe me, there are several ways to be bad when it comes to this. And RH, as it has been so far, is being very nice. 23:55:21 the difference is that there is not such text on Debian Forums 23:55:24