21:00:41 <ryanlerch> #startmeeting Fedora Magazine 21:00:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 4 21:00:41 2017 UTC. The chair is ryanlerch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_magazine' 21:01:02 <ryanlerch> jwf: around? 21:01:10 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: ping! 21:01:10 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 21:01:17 <jhogarth> ryanlerch, pong 21:01:24 <ryanlerch> #topic rollcall 21:01:30 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch 21:01:31 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com> 21:01:32 <jhogarth> .hello jhogarth 21:01:34 <zodbot> jhogarth: jhogarth 'James Hogarth' <james.hogarth@gmail.com> 21:02:20 <jwf|matrix> .hello jflory7 21:02:21 <zodbot> jwf|matrix: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com> 21:02:30 <ryanlerch> #topic last weeks stats 21:04:27 <ryanlerch> last week WE 30th was pretty solid, 54K views, an average of 7.8K/day 21:05:07 <ryanlerch> so far this week, we are a bit down, but averaging 7.3K, up from the week before last, which averaged 6.8K/day 21:05:30 <jwf|matrix> Not bad for a weekend. 21:07:14 <ryanlerch> yeah, we had a couple additional newsy posts 21:07:22 <nb> .ping nb 21:07:22 <zodbot> pong 21:07:24 <nb> oops 21:07:26 <nb> .hello nb 21:07:27 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone> 21:07:49 * jwf|matrix waves to nb 21:08:20 <ryanlerch> i see zodbot doesnt mind naked pings to itself.... 21:08:41 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: Seems like we're maintaining pretty well, looking long-term? 21:10:39 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: yeah our daily average so far for the year is 7576/day 21:11:11 <ryanlerch> which will mean 2.76Million views for the year 21:11:33 <jwf|matrix> This sounds promising. If we can hit two million, I'd be satisfied. :) 21:11:37 <ryanlerch> so a little off our lofty 3million goal 21:12:05 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: we hit 2.39Million last year 21:12:33 <jwf|matrix> Oops, forgot last year's count. Maybe we'll have a strong final push for 3M. :) We have two more full releases to go too for 2017. 21:13:00 <ryanlerch> yeah, the releases should help 21:13:02 <jwf|matrix> After the first release, that could be a good time to see how things are looking 21:13:24 <jwf|matrix> For meeting the 3M goal 21:13:31 <x3mboy> Hi 21:14:01 <ryanlerch> okies, should we look at locking down the schedule for next week? 21:14:13 * jwf|matrix waves to x3mboy 21:14:22 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: you mentioned you had a pitch 21:14:23 <x3mboy> #info Eduard Lucena; UTC-3; Magazine, Marketing, Ambassadors, others 21:14:37 <jhogarth> ryanlerch, yes, thank you 21:14:52 <jhogarth> it's not a next week target though, if you want to keep to that for the moment? 21:15:24 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix: o/ 21:15:37 <x3mboy> ryanlerch, jhogarth o/ 21:15:49 <jhogarth> x3mboy, o/ 21:15:50 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: Sounds like a good plan to me! 21:16:03 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: okies 21:16:07 <x3mboy> I will be intermittent, due to connection in subway 21:16:56 <ryanlerch> we have x3mboy 's nano article 21:17:06 <x3mboy> I was thinking in am article about virt-manager, but I see a mail about gnome boxes so I'm not sure now 21:17:24 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: do you have some cycles for editing that one? 21:17:26 <x3mboy> s/am/an/g 21:17:33 * ryanlerch can do the featured image 21:18:03 <x3mboy> Oh, nano has a logo, we should show it 21:18:15 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: I should have some time to the editing for one article next week. Which day did we have in mind? 21:18:51 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: we can pencil that one in for friday to give you max time 21:19:04 <jhogarth> if you're in need of articles I *could* polish up the one I posted on my blog today which could be applicable for a sysadmin series one ... NetworkManager revisited - there's a lot of confusion and fud about what NM handles these days ... https://www.hogarthuk.com/?q=node/18 21:19:13 <jwf|matrix> Sure, that will definitely be doable! 21:20:02 <jhogarth> it's quite techinical though so not ideal for FM 21:20:23 <jwf|matrix> jhogarth: I'd be interested to read about something like that! 21:20:29 <x3mboy> Me too 21:20:58 <x3mboy> We should set a day for technical or high level of knowledge articles 21:21:55 <x3mboy> I mean, we use the magazine as an anchor for new users, but we shouldn't abandon old users 21:22:18 <jhogarth> oh okay, I don't mind polishing it and making it more Fedora applicable :) a target date for editorial review would be useful to me though :) 21:23:16 <jwf|matrix> jhogarth: Maybe something summarizing it up? Generally, something about NetworkManager in 2017 would be an interesting topic, for some myth-busting. I don't really have much issue with publishing more technical content so long as it's clean and accurate. 21:23:16 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: so it will be a kinda what's new in recent NM releases? 21:23:42 <ryanlerch> can you do wednesday? 21:24:03 <ryanlerch> i can do an editorial pass on it before wednesday 21:24:08 <jhogarth> yes, NM has undergone a *lot* of dev work the past 18 months, and RH has been rebasing EL7 close enough that it's basically the same in Fedora and there 21:24:43 <jhogarth> the privacy improvements in NM are especially applicable to joe blogs, but for admins the improvements to bonding, bridging and tagging are essential 21:25:31 <jhogarth> err wednesday? that should be doable to have a draft together by tuesday morning (well probably mon eve but i'll give myself a break) if you can do the editorial pass on the tues ? 21:26:24 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: yeah, technical is not taboo on the magazine, but on something like this, a nice solid lead in (like describing what NM is for newere users) will help too 21:26:41 <jwf|matrix> +1 21:26:48 <jhogarth> sure, I think I have something in mind that can be appropriate for that :) 21:27:04 <x3mboy> +1 21:27:18 <ryanlerch> the nano article is just needing an editorial pass, are you able to swap that to wed, jwf|matrix ? 21:27:27 * jhogarth ponders how he came for a pitch for an article in June and commits to something next week 21:27:51 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: That should still be doable for me. Probably not for any sooner 21:28:04 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: sweet 21:28:29 <jwf|matrix> Wednesday will work! 21:28:29 * ryanlerch goes AFK -- laptop battery dying 21:28:33 <x3mboy> Cool, I'm already working with the vim's article 21:29:14 <jhogarth> ok so x3mboy's nano published on wed, i'll have my draft NM for wed and publish that on Fri ? 21:29:18 <ryanlerch> back! 21:30:21 <jwf|matrix> jhogarth: Yeah, that would be perfect! 21:30:33 <ryanlerch> okies, so we have Nano on wedneday, NM on friday 21:30:53 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: to edit nano, jhogarth to write NM, ryanlerch to edit 21:30:55 <jhogarth> that's a bit nicer on me - thanks :) (and sorry x3mboy :p ) 21:31:02 <ryanlerch> ryanlerch to do featured images 21:31:12 <jhogarth> err sorry jwf|matrix even 21:31:46 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: we are always on the look out for smaller, news articles 21:32:05 <ryanlerch> like packages/app x is now updated in fedora, here are the new features 21:32:14 <x3mboy> jhogarth, NP, nano's article is ready since last week 21:32:23 <ryanlerch> and more stuff like that 21:32:54 <jwf|matrix> jhogarth: Not a problem. :) Happy to have the NM article! 21:32:58 <ryanlerch> we typically do those on the fly, so if you see an idea for a post that might be good for fedora users, just hit the list 21:33:39 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: It would be great to have more releases announced here. I wonder if we could market the idea a little better for people to come to us with them instead of us looking for them. 21:35:31 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: yeah, not sure how to get packagers to come to us with this stuff though 21:35:45 <x3mboy> We should measure the success of articles by category or type 21:36:17 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: I wonder if announce-devel could be a good place to start? 21:37:25 <jhogarth> well we do pick up a changeset for releases which is a start at least ... maybe for the more critical things like Gnome we could have invite a focused article? 21:38:12 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: yeah, we typically do that stuff for a release -- we are looking for updates that happen between releases 21:38:34 <ryanlerch> we have done a few of these for updated FF releases in the past 21:39:19 <jhogarth> ah gotcha, well by policy of course those happen less often 21:39:22 <x3mboy> But how much time between articles of the same packages??? 21:40:09 <jhogarth> anyway, I fear we are drifting #offtopic a little ;) 21:40:26 <x3mboy> I remember that the week of Firefox release, there was 2 articles about FF published, or with a week o different, and this is still to close for me 21:40:37 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: good point, lets lock in monday, then get back to this 21:41:04 <ryanlerch> any ideas for a monday post? 21:41:28 <jwf|matrix> Was there someone interested in going further on the GNOME Boxes idea? 21:41:39 * jhogarth is hesitant to say something he'll need to do over the weekend 21:42:32 <jhogarth> is there a draft already for boxes? I can't see one? 21:42:36 <ryanlerch> you mena something like this https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-with-virtualization-in-gnome-boxes/ 21:43:24 <jwf|matrix> I saw the idea come up on the mailing list and thought it could be a really popular article, based on the SCaLE feedback 21:43:39 <jwf|matrix> I'm not sure if someone had committed or not, since there was some skepticism about upstream that I think needed to be clarified. 21:44:35 <ryanlerch> i can do an article about the new night-light feature 21:44:43 <jhogarth> if you want a quick piece, and I'm not committing to writing something over the weekend, migth I suggest the news that mp3 is now declared free? 21:44:56 <ryanlerch> its redshift, but built into GNOME 21:45:02 <jhogarth> mp3 licensing has been a hot topic for years, and mp3 encoding is about to arrive in Fedora 21:45:10 <ryanlerch> but is f26 only, so a future feature 21:45:20 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: Oh, if that's around now, I think a lot of people would be interested to know that :) 21:45:34 <jwf|matrix> Might even put a few more people on the prereleases 21:45:53 <jhogarth> jwf|matrix, it's new in Gnome in F26 21:46:20 <jhogarth> and since it's Gnome, it works on wayland ;) 21:46:23 <jwf|matrix> I'd upgrade early for that! 21:46:33 * jhogarth alreday updated to F26 for that 21:46:43 <x3mboy> For mp3? 21:46:54 <jhogarth> x3mboy, the night light stuff they mean 21:47:01 <x3mboy> Oh ok 21:47:14 <jhogarth> the mp3 news is new news as of, like, yesterday on the fedora-devel mailing list 21:47:24 <x3mboy> I use redshift on cinnamon 21:47:28 <jhogarth> so it's literally only just in the process of happening 21:47:51 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: that is an excellent newsy post! 21:48:01 <ryanlerch> the mp3 one 21:48:06 <ryanlerch> an excellent example 21:48:07 <jwf|matrix> jhogarth: Oh, and MP3 would also be a great thing to cover! So this is different from what happened in February or so, right? 21:48:45 <jwf|matrix> jhogarth: Yeah, that would definitely be a great one to have! 21:48:45 <jhogarth> yes, february allowed for FOSS decoding ... as of yesterday FOSS encoding is permitted 21:49:07 <jwf|matrix> Awesome :) 21:49:16 <jhogarth> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/KM557DP7OR2UEEPYQRNHJU7T45XDSXYJ/ 21:49:24 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: if you want to quickly draft something... 21:49:38 <ryanlerch> short is okay for this kind of post 21:49:47 * jhogarth grumbles cheerfully 21:50:00 <ryanlerch> i can write it up today 21:50:22 * ryanlerch is not well versed in what is actaully happeneing though 21:50:23 <jhogarth> sure okay. i'll knock up something tomorrow during the day so it can be editor checked over the weekend 21:50:30 <jhogarth> or you can ryanlerch :P 21:50:55 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: at the very least, can you just throw a pitch in with a link to the thread on devel? 21:51:07 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: good idea 21:51:10 <ryanlerch> this is news! 21:51:28 <ryanlerch> i can do the night-light one for monday 21:51:43 <ryanlerch> it is less newsy (time-aware) 21:51:49 <x3mboy> 'Hot right now' section 21:51:54 <x3mboy> :D 21:51:54 <jhogarth> it's coming up to 11pm here and I dont' want to spend half the night writing as I tend to when I get excited ... 21:52:07 <jhogarth> but I can knock something up tomorrow early afternoon UK time 21:52:32 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: i'll have a go at the post tonught, and it should be ready for you to review in the morning 21:52:43 <x3mboy> Sleeping is overrated 21:52:45 <x3mboy> ;) 21:52:45 <jhogarth> that works :) 21:52:51 <ryanlerch> *today, your tonight 21:52:55 <jhogarth> x3mboy, my daughter is 18 months ... I take what I can get :P 21:53:33 <x3mboy> LOL, I remember that. My son is 3 yo, and it's so much better now that then 21:54:28 <ryanlerch> so i think that is the shcedule for the week! 21:54:41 <x3mboy> I think so 21:54:47 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch: Want to pop it into the minutes? 21:54:51 <jhogarth> sure, the short version is in october last year the patents on decoding ended and Fedora was permitted to carry out decoding and as of this week Fraunhofer(sp?) terminated their licensing program with RH legal giving the okay a day or so okay for Fedora to add mp3 encoding to distribution 21:56:32 <x3mboy> Saturday: MP3? Monday: night-light, Wednesday: nano editor, Friday: NM 21:56:42 <jhogarth> a busy week :) 21:56:46 <x3mboy> Mmmm I think I miss something... 21:56:57 <x3mboy> MP3 sat or sun??? 21:57:17 <jhogarth> sat would be better spacing of articles I'd have thought? 21:57:20 <jwf|matrix> #action jwf Edit "GNU nano – a minimalistic editor for console" by Tuesday afternoon for Wednesday publication 21:58:10 <jhogarth> it's just a short heads up as packaging needs to happen yet etc ... so I imagine ryanlerch and I can have that ready for Sat easy 21:58:22 <x3mboy> jhogarth, let's wait the official sched because Fridays has articles too 21:58:35 <ryanlerch> #info schedule: monday -- nightlight article by ryanlerch 21:58:36 <jhogarth> ah kk 21:58:48 <ryanlerch> #info wednesday -- nano article by x3mboy, editid by jwf, featured image by ryanlerch 21:59:02 <ryanlerch> #info firday, -- NM by jhogarth , edited by ryanlerch, feduatred image by ryanlerch 21:59:26 <ryanlerch> #info ryanlerch & jhogarth to work on the newsy article about mp3 encoding support for posting ASAP 21:59:34 <x3mboy> https://goo.gl/images/kePRgh 22:00:08 <x3mboy> +1 22:00:08 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: jhogarth x3mboy any other business? 22:00:19 <ryanlerch> we really should let jhogarth get some sleep 22:00:29 <jhogarth> ryanlerch, you guys got time for my quick pitch for the article targetted in june? 22:00:35 <x3mboy> Not for articles, but for magazine business 22:00:43 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: whoops! 22:00:47 <x3mboy> Maybe ML or we have chance for OF??? 22:00:50 <ryanlerch> forgot all about it 22:01:00 <ryanlerch> is this the ansible on windows one 22:01:14 <jhogarth> controlling windows with ansible to be more precise ;) 22:01:15 <ryanlerch> my one question with it is what is the fedora angle? 22:01:43 <ryanlerch> i like it, if it is about controlling windows from Fedora :) 22:01:49 <x3mboy> For windows you mean MS Windows OS??? 22:02:17 <jhogarth> yes it is precisely that - using the winrm module (which i'm packager for) to control windows via ansibel on fedora (or centos, but lets say fedora) 22:02:23 <jhogarth> MS Windows 22:02:26 <jhogarth> background: 22:02:42 <jhogarth> next month is AnsibleFest London ... the schedule for it got publoshed a week or so ago 22:02:47 <jwf|web> I think Matrix/Riot dropped out, can't connect back 22:03:15 <jhogarth> one of the talks there is controlling MS Windows with ansible (I think the title of the talk of treating Windows like Linux or something akin to that) 22:03:25 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: it is a +1 from me, ifit has the Fedora angle :) 22:03:30 <jwf|web> Schedule all set? 22:03:30 <jhogarth> I'm going to the conference, and reached out to the RH employee doing the talk 22:03:45 <x3mboy> jwf|web: yes 22:03:46 <ryanlerch> jwf|web: yeah, i posted it to #fedora-magazine accidentally 22:03:48 <jhogarth> he's keen on an FM article covering it so we can link it all up 22:03:55 <ryanlerch> but sopypastaed it here 22:04:08 <jwf|web> Oh, whoops! All good though 22:04:15 <x3mboy> Just discussing a pitch and other stuffs 22:04:23 * jwf|web nods 22:04:25 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: +1 for the ansible controlling windows from Feodra from me 22:04:48 <x3mboy> +1 from me too 22:04:52 <jhogarth> The pitch is controlling MS Windows via Fedora, I'll link it up with Matt Davis's talk as well and he's willing to pop the url for our article in his talk 22:05:02 <ryanlerch> jwf|web: this is a pitch for posting in June 22:05:04 <jhogarth> so we can get feedback etc from that back to us 22:05:26 <jhogarth> the conference is June 22nd, so we'll want to publish as close to that as possible (ideally on or day before) 22:05:38 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: just put a note in the top of the post saying the time when you would approx want it posted 22:05:45 <jwf|web> ryanlerch: Okay, gotcha. 22:05:52 <jhogarth> I'm bringing this up now to get the ok from the FM editorial board to do it, and to give plenty of time for publish given the likely publicity 22:05:58 <ryanlerch> otherwise, we might forget, and add it to the schedule while you are sleeping one night 22:06:06 <jwf|web> This would be a really fun one to run. I think would get a fair bit of attention. 22:06:09 <jhogarth> s/for publish/for polish/ 22:06:54 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: yeah, the fedora angle could be as simple as saying the plugin is packaged in fedora 22:07:06 <ryanlerch> so +1 from me 22:07:10 * jwf|web has to run out 22:07:16 <jhogarth> sweet, thanks 22:07:21 <x3mboy> And it's installed this way 22:07:24 <x3mboy> ;) 22:07:26 <ryanlerch> are we ready to sleep now? 22:07:28 <ryanlerch> 5 22:07:31 <ryanlerch> 4 22:07:36 <ryanlerch> 3 22:07:41 <ryanlerch> 2 22:07:41 <jwf|web> Hahah, yep, that's where I'm headed :P 22:07:43 <ryanlerch> 1 22:07:48 <ryanlerch> #endmeeting