20:00:28 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing
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20:00:45 <rbergeron> #meetingname Fedora Marketing Meeting
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20:00:53 * rbergeron looks around
20:00:58 * NourishedCloud waves
20:01:00 <rbergeron> #topic Roll call
20:01:04 * Sparks is here
20:01:06 * NourishedCloud waves again
20:01:13 <rbergeron> Sparks! :)
20:01:45 * ke4zvu3 is here
20:01:52 <Sparks> rbergeron: Greetings
20:01:55 <rbergeron> :)
20:02:13 <stickster> Oops, got my times wrong
20:02:15 <rbergeron> there he is :)
20:02:16 <stickster> Hi!
20:02:20 * rbergeron throws stickster a watch
20:02:27 <rbergeron> *grin*
20:02:35 <stickster> <-- lame duck
20:02:41 * rbergeron hugs stickster
20:02:46 <rbergeron> #topic Agenda
20:02:54 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meeting#Agenda
20:03:15 <rbergeron> Okay. I Have two quick things to dive into before we hit up tickets:
20:03:23 <rbergeron> #topic Open Marketing in TOSW
20:03:32 <rbergeron> #link https://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/Marketing_the_open_source_way
20:04:11 <rbergeron> #info If anyone wants to contribute anything here - you are more than welcome to do so - feel free to ping the list for information.
20:04:41 <rbergeron> #topic Ohio LinuxFest CFP - closing 7/7
20:04:49 <rbergeron> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-June/013180.html
20:05:17 <rbergeron> #info Beth Lynn sent a mail to the marketing list - if anyone is interested in presenting or submitting to be a presenter, info is here.
20:05:36 * rbergeron incidentally is submitting something and has her fingers crossed ;)
20:05:41 <rbergeron> #topic Trac Tickets
20:05:51 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Emeeting&order=priority
20:06:06 <rbergeron> #topic Update Free media distribution - ticket #33
20:06:12 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=%7Emeeting&order=priority
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20:06:20 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/33
20:06:24 <rbergeron> yn1v: HI
20:06:35 <yn1v> rbergeron, hello!
20:06:39 * stickster submitted for OhioLF as well
20:06:58 * yn1v will be at meeting until batt last
20:07:09 <rbergeron> yn1v: i forget - i think i was supposed to change this to bi-weekly updating.
20:07:30 <rbergeron> Need any help on this?
20:08:07 <yn1v> nope, I have been reading wiki pages and taking notes to make a proposal
20:08:12 <rbergeron> awesome. thanks :)
20:08:36 * rbergeron updates that ticket with that information
20:08:56 <rbergeron> wow, i just updated the wrong ticket. anyway
20:09:09 * rbergeron can't operate today
20:09:21 <rbergeron> thanks, yn1v :)
20:09:31 <rbergeron> #topic Fedora Release Eevents Marketing
20:09:33 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/35
20:09:46 <NourishedCloud> as far as I know we're waiting to hear back from people on this
20:09:50 <rbergeron> nourishedcloud - how goes?
20:09:53 <rbergeron> ah, awesome.
20:09:56 <NourishedCloud> haven't had much time to follow up on it due to excessive exams
20:10:01 <stickster> What specifically are we waiting to hear back?
20:10:05 * rbergeron nods
20:10:11 * stickster nods too
20:10:23 * rbergeron nods three times
20:10:35 <NourishedCloud> I asked on the list for some ideas as to developing a roadmap and I'll jump on doing something like that this week
20:10:50 <rbergeron> stickster: i think there are some notes from some people in the ticket - joerg, etc.
20:10:56 * NourishedCloud nods
20:11:03 <stickster> NourishedCloud: That's a good place to start then. I think generally the best strategy is to make a proposal yourself first.
20:11:13 <stickster> Let other people have input on it, tinker/fix it
20:11:23 <stickster> If they don't respond, that is equivalent to "go forth and do it"
20:11:25 <NourishedCloud> So should I just make a wiki page for that?
20:11:35 <rbergeron> nourishedcloud: that sounds like a fabulous idea.
20:11:47 <NourishedCloud> Good stuff :-) I'll do that
20:11:55 <rbergeron> feel free to ping me if you need any help, but i have a feeling you've got it covered. :)
20:11:56 <stickster> NourishedCloud: Sure, that's one way to do it, generally I advertise it and say "edit away!"
20:12:16 <stickster> Makes for much better tracking than trying to understand people's ideas and changes from ML posts
20:12:23 <stickster> And equally transparent, too
20:12:35 <rbergeron> anything else on that one?
20:12:53 <rbergeron> #topic Send out notices for ublog account changes
20:12:58 <rbergeron> #link actually.
20:13:00 <rbergeron> NOOO
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20:13:47 <rbergeron> #action Nourishedcloud to create wiki page for moving towards Release Events marketing
20:14:00 <rbergeron> #topic Send out notices for ublog account changes
20:14:06 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/123
20:14:08 <stickster> rbergeron: I can do that right now, if we're ready
20:14:29 <rbergeron> Stickster: sure - I have no idea of where our readiness is at
20:14:33 <stickster> rbergeron: Do you recall if we ever heard back from Matias Kreder, saying "Awesome, go for it"?
20:14:39 <stickster> rbergeron: There's not much involved.
20:14:45 <stickster> rbergeron: It's really just, announce and do.
20:14:48 <NourishedCloud> what would there be to not be ready? :)
20:14:55 <stickster> NourishedCloud: Exactly
20:15:16 * rbergeron delegates and trusts that everyone else knows what's up in the twitterverse :)
20:15:16 <stickster> Make one post per week, three in total, one week apart, telling people to come over and follow us on @fedroa
20:15:19 <stickster> *@fedora
20:15:24 <stickster> (I'll get that right in the post!)
20:15:38 * NourishedCloud is _always_ watching the twitterverse and identiverse. it's rather unhealthy :)
20:15:39 <rbergeron> stickster: CMOE FOLOW US @fedroa!@
20:15:41 <stickster> Then the last post a week later is "You can now follow us *here*"
20:15:55 <stickster> rbergeron: YAY EW ORKC
20:16:24 * rbergeron had to think about that... we cork? /me gets out a bottle of wine to celebrate the @fedora :)
20:16:33 <rbergeron> rock. yes, rock. rock it, cork it. :)
20:16:38 <rbergeron> anyway
20:16:49 <rbergeron> stickster: you can handle this one?
20:16:59 <rbergeron> ke4zvu3: heads up to not duplicate work ^^ :)
20:17:21 <ke4zvu3> rbergeron: indeed
20:17:30 <stickster> rbergeron: Ready and willing!
20:17:33 <rbergeron> #action stickster to do notice to follow us @fedora for this week.
20:17:40 <rbergeron> #info we will do this for two more weeks!
20:17:44 * stickster will do this action item right now
20:18:00 <rbergeron> #topic FUDCon EMEA Announcement Needed
20:18:03 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/124
20:18:32 <rbergeron> Marcus has requested for marketing to do a press release-type thing for the EMEA FUDCon.
20:19:02 <rbergeron> If someone is willing to pick this up and run with it, it'd be awesome - alternately, we can do a group sprint on this later in the week that I can schedule in the mailing list.
20:19:29 <rbergeron> After we have something written up, we need to figure out how we can get it translated into some other languages as well, as... it's EMEA.
20:19:34 <stickster> rbergeron: There aren't many of us here to choose from.
20:19:47 <rbergeron> i know :( slow this week.
20:20:04 <heffer> i could do the german translation. but i think marcus offered that already
20:20:06 <Sparks> rbergeron: Might it be written on the wiki and translated there now that there is a procedure for doing just that?
20:20:18 <rbergeron> sparks: orly, can you elaborate please? :)
20:20:24 <rbergeron> #chair sparks
20:20:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: rbergeron sparks
20:20:34 <Sparks> ianweller wrote up a procedure for translating on the wiki...
20:20:41 <rbergeron> heffer: yes, and i think wonderer had volunteered to do this in the first place
20:20:44 * Sparks goes to look for the link
20:20:55 <heffer> too many germans :D
20:20:59 * rbergeron thanks sparks for reminding us of this excellent new feature :)
20:21:02 <yn1v> I can translate to Spanish if needed
20:21:07 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages
20:21:28 <rbergeron> yn1v: that would be excellent. I think we were looking for -at least- French and German - but spanish would be great as well.
20:21:43 <Sparks> One would assume direct communication with L10n would also be helpful but the wiki would be a good place for development
20:21:50 <rbergeron> If nothing else - it can maybe help us work on our marketing docs translation process - start getting ideas how we want to do that in the future.
20:21:57 * rbergeron nods
20:22:32 <rbergeron> stickster, sparks: do you want to schedule some gobby time for later this week to do this - and then we can pass it on for translation / approval from the EMEA FUDCon team?
20:22:35 <heffer> remember that there's a big community in italy as well
20:22:38 <stickster> rbergeron: Yes!
20:22:42 <rbergeron> probably approval first, then translation :)
20:22:52 <Sparks> rbergeron: sure thing
20:23:06 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to schedule time with stickster, sparks to write up a FUDCON EMEA press announcement
20:23:07 <heffer> and having French, German and Italian would cover all three languages spoken in Switzerland
20:23:08 * NourishedCloud would like to write press releases and stuff but doesn't know the process/the format etc :S
20:23:12 <stickster> rbergeron: That would be great. Thursday afternoon would probably work for me
20:23:18 <rbergeron> #info need to get approval afterwards from fudcon team
20:23:26 <rbergeron> #info stickster free thursday afternoon
20:23:51 <rbergeron> #info yn1v volunteered for spanish translation; heffer can help out with german trans if marcus is busy
20:24:08 <Sparks> #info Sparks not available on Thursday after 2130 UTC.
20:24:11 <rbergeron> #info would be great to find italian translation as well- then all of switzerland's languages would be covered.
20:24:43 <rbergeron> Stickster - I'm not sure who this press release would go to - would you be coordinating with the emea fudcon folks to get this out to the right places?
20:24:53 <rbergeron> I assume we'll be publishing this stuff on planet, etc. - not sure where else.
20:25:03 <rbergeron> They likely have a plan though
20:25:13 * rbergeron is now thinking of cylons, heh
20:25:47 <rbergeron> #topic Generic Fedora Slogan for fp.o front page
20:25:52 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/63
20:25:57 * yn1v will back as soon he plugs his computer
20:26:06 <rbergeron> stickster - i believe you requsted bi-weekly updates here :)
20:26:13 <rbergeron> any updates?
20:26:49 <stickster> rbergeron: Thanks -- I don't have anything to report this time around
20:26:59 <rbergeron> sounds good. :)
20:27:06 <rbergeron> #topic Marketing Feature Stories
20:27:07 <stickster> #info stickster needs to consult Design team logs for meeting this morning
20:27:23 <rbergeron> stickster - i don't think it was discussed, i was there
20:27:23 <stickster> Then I can broach the subject of that slogan and move forward
20:27:30 <stickster> rbergeron: OK, I'll just bring it up on their list then.
20:27:30 <rbergeron> ah
20:27:45 <stickster> I have a pending list of other related issues to bring up too, so I'll add this to that list :-)
20:27:56 <rbergeron> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/122
20:28:10 <rbergeron> Sparks and I talked recently about doing a series of interviews on docs project.
20:28:24 <rbergeron> Most of the detail is in the ticket about our ad-hoc conversation. :)
20:28:55 <rbergeron> So I'd like to do a story - something along the lines of:
20:29:05 <rbergeron> 1) why the docs project is important - what they do, how to join, etc.
20:29:14 <NourishedCloud> mm, docs
20:29:20 <rbergeron> 2) How docs project does their work - open source tools used, etc.
20:29:37 <rbergeron> 3) Talk about Publican, the new docs.fp.o.
20:30:02 <rbergeron> Does anyone have anything else they'd like to add here?
20:30:33 <rbergeron> ideas, etc?
20:30:39 <Sparks> How would it be..
20:30:47 <rbergeron> ....published?
20:30:59 <rbergeron> Done?
20:31:04 <Sparks> to do something Fedora focused and something separate...
20:31:11 <Sparks> that is FLOSS focused?
20:31:24 <rbergeron> sparks - more explanation? :)
20:31:24 * Sparks is having problems typing this afternoon
20:31:39 <Sparks> Okay...  so people in Fedora care about what Docs does for Fedora
20:32:06 <rbergeron> Indeed, we do. :)
20:32:09 <Sparks> but we could expand the audience to the entire open source community by focusing differently
20:32:26 <Sparks> Not saying it's not important to show what we do for Fedora...
20:32:34 <NourishedCloud> well write from the perspective of a user rather than one involved with the fedora project?
20:33:03 <NourishedCloud> focus on how it enriches use/makes it easier for users to get help
20:33:04 <Sparks> but I'd like to also talk about what we do in the context of doing using open source solutions and how that affects the larger community.
20:33:23 <rbergeron> how you work with upstream projects, etc that are focused on docs tools
20:33:38 <Sparks> rbergeron: For most of our work we are the upstream
20:33:56 <Sparks> although we recently had a joint meeting with GNOME and others
20:34:35 <rbergeron> Okay. Let's do this - since I know we have a lot of active brains on the list that aren't here today -
20:35:04 <rbergeron> why don't we ask the list for some advice on some of the different things we could do
20:35:12 <rbergeron> we might have better turnout there than this meeting :)
20:35:13 <Sparks> perfect
20:35:41 <rbergeron> and sparks - you seem to have ideas here - maybe you can inject some of your comments as well :)
20:36:03 <Sparks> rbergeron: Only if I can put them together into a complete thought
20:36:14 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to hit up mailing list on docs project feature, sparks to follow up
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20:36:24 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to hit up mailing list on docs project feature
20:36:29 <rbergeron> #action sparks to follow up.
20:36:41 <rbergeron> (if he has complete thoughts, although uncomplete thoughts are welcome as well :D)
20:37:17 <rbergeron> #topic Fedora Insight Update
20:37:34 <rbergeron> stickster - do we have a scoop here, or not until thursday?
20:38:02 * rbergeron knows some people are wondering about zikula vs. drupal, etc.
20:38:09 <stickster> rbergeron: No scoop, I apologize -- last week's Summit basically left my whole week decimated
20:38:17 <stickster> rbergeron: But I'm going to write to the Logistics list about this subject right now
20:38:22 <rbergeron> okeedokee. awesome, thanks.
20:38:22 <stickster> er... in the next two hours
20:38:32 * stickster is piling up email needs faster than he can fill them :-)
20:38:38 <rbergeron> stickster: is there any FPL-related marketing stuff you need to talk about here
20:38:48 <rbergeron> aka anything to be done other than what seems to be happening on its own
20:39:42 <rbergeron> i'm sure you'll let us know ;) lol
20:39:58 <rbergeron> #topic F14 Marketing Schedule - Cycle the wiki time.
20:40:14 <rbergeron> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-marketing-tasks.html
20:41:15 <rbergeron> So - I'll be doing stuff on this over the next few days - this is mostly related to things like -
20:41:44 <rbergeron> moving over the stuff in the release deliverables section of our wiki
20:41:46 <rbergeron> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing#Release_deliverables
20:41:56 <rbergeron> creating placeholders for the new stuff incoming
20:41:57 <rbergeron> etc.
20:42:13 <rbergeron> Unless anyone else is interested in helping there, in which case I'm happy to share the love.
20:43:05 <rbergeron> #topic Design Team Interviews
20:43:13 <rbergeron> I'm going to hit up the mailing list on this as well -
20:43:38 <rbergeron> this is a series of interviews similar to what we were talking about for docs.
20:44:00 <rbergeron> I need some volunteers to take on some interviews - we figured out some ideas in the design-team meeting, which was right before this meeting.
20:44:20 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to hit up mktg-list for volunteers for design-team interviews
20:44:33 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor
20:44:40 <rbergeron> Anyone else have anything?
20:44:58 <stickster> Nada from here, but probably that's because I'm behind thanks to Summit :-)
20:45:04 * NourishedCloud shakes head, for once
20:45:14 <Sparks> I think I've said too much
20:45:28 * rbergeron grins
20:45:46 <rbergeron> well then.
20:45:53 * rbergeron checks her clock
20:46:25 <rbergeron> looks like it's free time. or "other stuff" time, as that is.
20:46:42 * rbergeron counts down from 87
20:46:53 <rbergeron> thanks for coming everyone :)
20:46:57 <rbergeron> #endmeeting