18:59:32 #startmeeting 18:59:32 Meeting started Mon Aug 19 18:59:32 2013 UTC. The chair is Mitzie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:39 #meetingname Fedora Marketing Weekly meeting 19/08/2013 18:59:39 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing_weekly_meeting_19/08/2013' 18:59:40 .fas mribeirodantas 18:59:41 mribeirodantas: mribeirodantas 'Marcel Ribeiro Dantas' 18:59:42 * mribeirodantas Brazil 18:59:47 #topic Welcome 18:59:55 Hello everyone and welcome to another Marketing meeting. 19:00:02 .fas mitzie 19:00:03 Mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' 19:00:10 .fas chrisroberts 19:00:11 croberts: chrisroberts 'Chris Roberts' 19:00:33 .fas tatica 19:00:35 tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 19:00:47 #chair tatica 19:00:47 Current chairs: Mitzie tatica 19:00:55 ! 19:01:15 yes mribeirodantas 19:02:09 I already introduced myself in the mailing list, but I'd like to say hi in here too. I work in other fedora teams but I ended up getting involved in marketing too lately. I'm trying to hepl franciscoD and others in the Fedora Join SIG trying to improve de gradient learning for new fedora contributors 19:02:34 So if there's anything that any of you guys are needing, give me a ping and I'll try to help :) 19:02:45 eof 19:02:52 Welcome then, mribeirodantas 19:02:58 welcome :) 19:03:06 Welcome :) 19:03:19 You could contribute on the fedora magazine if you would like 19:03:27 I want to! 19:03:31 I said that in the mailing list IIRC 19:04:10 * tatica needs a TON of help there 19:04:10 I talked to tatica too, I wanted to participate in the meeting that happened on Monday at Flock (At least it was supposed to happen) but it seems it didn't happen or whatever 19:04:13 Ok, please hold on a bit, and I will set you up in a few minutes. Register as a user in the site and I will upgrade you in a minute 19:04:30 Yes, everyone was on flock 19:04:39 I wasn't unfortunately :( 19:05:07 there are the talks/hackfests on youtube if you want to see them ;) 19:05:39 Aw, I'd love too 19:05:51 tatica what do you mean? 19:05:54 I'm a bit busy watching the FISL talks I didn't manage to see yet, but I'd love to watch Flock talks too 19:06:10 Mitzie, with magazine :) 19:06:18 Of course you have to choose, you can't see them all :P 19:06:18 we have a lot to do there :) 19:06:24 Oh yes 19:06:29 #topic Fedora Magazine 19:06:36 If you have seen the magazine lately you would have noticed some changes. 19:06:54 First of all, a major bug was fixed that caused the Archives, Categories, Tags and search results to display irrelevant posts. (thanks to maiki who build a child theme to fix t) 19:07:05 I will have my post on flock done tonight 19:07:07 Also on the inactive links on the main menu are now fixed. 19:07:20 New Categories have been added for better ranking of the posts 19:07:35 Also links on the slideshow have been added along with more photos directing to posts. 19:07:54 not to be confused with the one I wrote for Fedora Planet 19:07:56 and many more that I can't rember now 19:07:59 And we have I could say a static flow of posts.. But we definitely need more contributors... 19:08:21 croberts, great! If you need help, I can help you 19:08:49 Magazine is now up, it was down 15 minutes before. 19:09:09 +1 sounds good, I will let you know if assistance is needed 19:09:28 So tatica has some nice ideas about it 19:09:38 ! 19:10:13 Where can I read about Fedora Magazine? I want to avoid asking questions that have already been done or asking things that I can find in the wiki, for example. 19:12:06 am I offline? 19:12:25 no 19:12:52 oh, ok 19:12:53 ! 19:13:19 yes 19:13:26 well, more than an idea I have some concerns about the organization of the magazine 19:13:48 there are pages that doesn't seem that necessary, like the teams one; that's why we have the join page 19:13:56 we could either link there or copy/paste 19:14:38 tatica+1 19:14:41 Tactica: I agree That was something I thought would be useful for the magazine, but after thinking about it, that is best left to the join page or the wiki 19:14:42 the Events section would work better with a calendar plugin probably, that could go on the sidebar too, so people can locate that easily 19:15:00 (even if there is a random idea there to have an event infra like the one that mozilla has) 19:15:13 so the fedora teams was on the menu as an inactive page, and I covered it by copy-pasting some essentials things of each team and then at the bottom the link to the wiki 19:15:49 and top menu seems more focus on those redundant stuff than into the magazine categories itself 19:15:55 Mitzie: I think it complicates localization. We ended up having to translate twice almost the same thing 19:16:07 tatica, yes I have some suggestions too about the calendar, we will get there 19:16:14 about the teams now 19:16:22 What do you guys suggest? 19:16:26 Or Fedora Magazine is not going to be translated ever? 19:16:42 To delete it completly or direct directly to the wiki? 19:16:44 teams we could make a single page more like the wiki and link each team to the wiki 19:16:48 I do believe their is a translation plugin for Wordpress 19:16:53 there* 19:16:57 we could move it from the mail menu to a secondary one 19:17:01 I think info about teams should be in the wiki, and only there. 19:17:05 either on top of it, smaller or at the sidebar 19:17:16 If we spread the same information everywhere, sometime one of the sources will be outdated or incorrect 19:17:16 :( 19:17:40 ok. I guess we could move the teams from the menu, and add it as a category 19:17:40 maybe a single page with good graphics and accurate links could do the work 19:17:49 if you like the idea I could work a bit on it during the week 19:18:05 good graphics/statistics +1 19:18:13 +1 that is a good idea 19:18:40 ok 19:18:47 lets set the action then 19:18:51 now 19:18:53 about menu 19:18:55 So edit the teams with some graphics instead? Or redirect to the wiki? 19:19:18 if you guys like I could add a small secondary menu on the very top for the "corporative" links (aka, wiki, forums, ask fedora, badges, whatever...) 19:19:24 Grapjhics + link to the wiki 19:19:57 tatica sounds good. Something more general about the fedoraproject 19:20:03 I have been working on going through the wiki and making sure the information for joining is correct 19:20:08 for each team 19:20:42 perfect 19:20:49 good croberts. 19:20:59 So tatica we should put it as action? 19:21:10 sure 19:21:14 but task by task 19:21:20 your idea about the top menu? 19:21:26 first, a unique join team page linking to each wiki one 19:21:38 and the top menu if you want. Should be easy adding it 19:21:38 yes, first things first 19:21:52 if it gets too complicated I can add a sidebar and set the menu over there 19:21:56 So I can edit the teams to redirect to their wiki pages 19:22:49 Yes, the top menu is easy, but will it redirect or you will add some graphics? 19:23:36 graphics to the join page, menu to the top only (just text) 19:24:08 so what will the new-top menu will include? 19:24:13 sounds good tatica :) 19:25:04 Should we keep the Fedora quick tips? 19:25:07 probably links to fp.org, wiki, planet, ask-fedora, badges, community, ... 19:25:32 and the link to the join page? 19:25:49 Mitzie, ujum, so we would remove it from the main menu? 19:25:54 that could work 19:26:19 what to remove from the main menu? (sorry confused) 19:26:30 the join pages link 19:26:36 s/join/team 19:26:38 oh yes alright 19:27:37 I can help you with that, just add the new manu as you imagine it and we can comunicate to finilazite it 19:27:52 wow lot of typos 19:28:03 ! 19:28:21 perfect! 19:28:34 ok please add it as action 19:28:38 for the Fedora Quick tips, maybe we could setup something where people submit tips and we pick a different one each week or day 19:28:47 mribeirodantas set you up on the magazine 19:28:55 yes mribeirodantas 19:29:00 hey 19:29:20 Actually I imagined it as a category 19:29:21 have you guys though about "ask the editors" and "sign our guestbook"? 19:29:24 Since we've talked about removing things and adding things (like the calendar), I think we should add legal notices at the footer of the page just like in fp.org 19:29:42 true 19:29:49 that is a good idea 19:29:52 I added the terms of use at the bottom 19:30:04 :mitzie what do you think about the quick tips? 19:30:16 wait a minute croberts 19:30:29 tatica what do you mean ask the editors? 19:30:38 I'm not sure if that's enough. I hadn't seen the terms of use and I did look around the website for a while 19:30:46 I think a legal notice is important. 19:31:06 #action tatica will add a secondary menu to hold main community sites (wiki, fp.org, ask, badges, community, etc) 19:31:55 And what do you think we should add on the legal notices? I think terms of use are enought 19:32:23 Fedora is a registered mark of Red Hat bla bla bla 19:32:29 Just like in fp.org. Look at the footer of the page 19:32:48 #action teams page will be rewritten to be a main page that links to the official wiki links of each team and will be add to the secondary menu 19:33:09 https://fedoraproject.org/en/ look down there. I think it's a VERY good footer message 19:33:14 Mitzie, well, would be cute to have a monthly or yearly article with comments from people reading the magazine 19:33:20 but that was a random idea :) 19:33:24 There's a link explaining the relationship between Fedora and Red Hat, says it's a registered mark and everything else. 19:33:29 so, will we go ahead with the legal notice? 19:33:58 so the legal will redirect to the legal site as the fp.org? 19:34:04 or add our own stuff? 19:34:10 I think it should redirect 19:34:21 :( I think you're not understanding 19:34:22 first things first guys 19:34:28 It's two messages with a link basically 19:34:45 mribeirodantas, so, you want the same legal foot that is on fp.org? correct? 19:34:58 same question with tatica 19:35:39 croberts we will get to quick tips and the calendar 19:35:47 I think I did understand, you mean the fp.org footer to be add to the magazine, should not be a problem 19:35:59 yes, that would be a good idea 19:36:08 and easy 19:36:11 tatica: yes 19:36:18 mribeirodantas, is that what you mean? 19:36:21 tatica: exactly 19:36:22 Yes 19:36:22 :) 19:36:27 #action mitzie add the legal notices to the magazine 19:36:27 perfect 19:36:43 so croberts was saying something 19:37:26 yes croberts 19:37:34 The quick tips on the top menu, what is the best way for us to handle that, I was talking to tatica at Flock and it would be cool if we had a way users could submit tips and we post them there 19:38:14 hmmm 19:38:19 OK, but how to submit tips? they need to be authors. I was thinging it more like a category 19:38:36 They could suvbmit to an e-mail maybe? 19:38:54 on the mailing list? Yes, that is possible.. 19:39:09 we could get a mailing list for the magazine 19:39:17 or to an e-mail would be better, not to spam the marketing 19:39:18 croberts: ++ 19:39:38 croberts +1000 I was going to discuss that 19:39:44 so about the tips 19:39:45 there is a website that has some DIY stuff and people has a nice way to submit them 19:40:10 but it will still be a category 19:40:11 We could also get top voted answers in ASK Fedora to the Fedora Magazine Tips 19:40:16 Mitzie, true 19:40:24 what was the idea of that link in the first place? 19:40:42 don't know didn't add it my self.. 19:41:23 So an editor could transfer questions from ask.fp in the magazine opinions? 19:41:36 an editor on the magazine I mean 19:41:49 only if there is a widget or something... because doing that manually will be a pain 19:41:57 Yes. We could get the top voted answer eveyr week and publish it 19:42:01 I was hoping it could be a spot where we could take small tips from the community and post them there, to make a users experience better. 19:42:24 We can actually do both 19:43:13 I could rename the wuick tips to technical support and as a subcategory add answers and tips I guess 19:43:34 tatica true. Any ideas? 19:43:41 well, that would be better to keep on ask-fedora 19:43:53 what I wouldn't like to see is that we are putting effort into 2 similar things 19:44:00 so I would rather to push the support at ask 19:44:09 +1 tatica. Would be a pain for us 19:44:21 that is a good point 19:44:22 and probably, if we want some interactions, let people send questions to the editors... like the regulars magazines have 19:44:54 Hm.. yeah. It makes sense. 19:45:26 yes tatica 19:45:41 +1 tatica 19:45:47 send questions or send tips for us to post? 19:45:57 ujum 19:46:06 like "the reader of the week" 19:46:09 or stuff like that 19:46:59 I was imaging it like tip of the week? What do you mean reader of the week? 19:47:38 but again, we could retrieve tips and that from ask-fedora 19:47:47 if they have a voting range we could work together 19:48:27 ok 19:48:31 now about news 19:48:37 how's that going? 19:48:39 Copy pasting tips would be difficult for us 19:48:41 is everything good? 19:48:55 working on schedule? having good categories? 19:49:26 There is a voting range 19:49:39 You can vote up answers. They get better placed and so on in the answer list 19:50:06 on ask.fp? 19:50:14 guys, need to leave you 19:50:24 but i anything else I can do, please, just assign the actions :) 19:50:30 sorry to hear about it 19:50:46 don't worry 19:50:46 car battery is dead and they are taking me... so I need that ride! 19:50:49 hugs! 19:51:14 see you on the next meeting 19:51:22 take care tatica 19:51:54 So dantas, We could use the top voted answers to add them in the magazine 19:51:56 ? 19:52:27 Yes, I think so. 19:52:42 That would be ok. Would you like to start it? 19:52:46 and sorry, answering your question, they1're voted in ask.fp 19:52:57 yes, I understood 19:52:58 well, I can try :). I will talk to FranciscoD, he seems to be the king there. Answers everything 19:53:03 he should be the head of it or sometihng 19:53:25 ok then, I will put it as an action 19:53:26 Let me gather more information about this, if we can get the top voted answers (I think so) 19:53:30 K 19:53:32 _o> 19:53:44 Before we run out of time, I would like to discuss the mailing list. I can have Kevin (nirik) setup a mailing list for the Magazine 19:54:28 #action mribeirodantas to start top voted answers section 19:54:44 Yes croberts. I think you have to send a request to infrastructure 19:55:00 for a mailing list to be created 19:55:29 ok I will do that 19:55:43 croberts: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ 19:56:11 that would be very nice to have a mailing list on our own 19:56:19 +1000 for me 19:56:49 :) 19:56:58 #action croberts have infrastructure create a mailing list for the magazine 19:57:24 Anything else you would liek to cover guys? 19:58:09 So should I edit the fedora quick tips to fedora answers or something dantas? 19:58:33 I think the name is ok 19:58:46 After all, we may have to edit or add some info to the answer in order to turn into a tip 19:59:52 ok, I will fix it to be enabled and show results when someone posts under the category Quick tips? 19:59:59 Mitzie what is your .fas address 20:00:12 because now it gives # (back to top) 20:00:19 .fas mitzie 20:00:20 Mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' 20:01:05 Mitzie: that too 20:01:05 :) 20:01:11 ok 20:01:30 #action mitzie enable wuick tips link 20:01:39 About the calendar now 20:02:08 I think it should be based in the wiki page Events 20:02:37 I thought like adding a widget (either on the sidebar or in a link on a page on the main menu) so we can add fedora events 20:03:16 Events with participation of Fedora collaborators must be added in the wiki Event pages 20:03:18 Good idea, but there are tons of events there (And in my opinion, some of them are irrelevant) 20:03:22 so why doing it twice? 20:03:44 tons of events are less than 10 a month, I think, which after all.. are not a lot 20:03:58 I agree, but it would be easier, as It would display a calendar and not a list 20:04:14 and not just link to events page 20:04:29 Yeah, I said based. Not to copy paste a list 20:04:48 but develop something to print out the calendar based on the entries of Fedora Events (fp.org/wiki/Events) 20:04:54 Sorry I didn't understand 20:05:12 Yeah, so I imagined a widget on the sidebar 20:05:28 Ok, I can research into that 20:05:38 great 20:06:11 #action mitzie research calendar and report back next meeting 20:06:21 Also (reffering to the guys who approve comments) please be carefull when approving commants. Although most of them are spams, there are some comments that say eg. "Good Article" or "I received 4 mails about the comment I wrote" etc. Before approving, check if the user has set a url. Most likely they set a url to an advert site 20:07:24 Anything else we should cover? 20:07:30 (in the magazine) 20:08:17 I created the ticket for the mailing lists so we should have that soon 20:08:35 great! Keep us updated on the marketing mailing list 20:08:46 Will do! 20:08:54 Fedora Marketing Meeting 19/8/13 --Open Floor 20:09:40 So the meeting took a bit longer but we covered some essential things about the magazine 20:10:15 Anything would like to say something on the open floor? 20:10:37 I think we have a better understanding of where to go with the magazine now 20:10:38 *anyone Sorry guys 20:10:55 Yes, cause it was a bit outdated 20:11:06 a few weeks back 20:11:26 its good also to get everyone on the same page and direction too 20:11:30 Although we would like more contributors to contribute by writing posts 20:12:07 Yes, I imagine the magazine in a few months to be a very good news portal for fedora 20:12:43 That would be nice to get some more contributors I will add that to the wiki page Ruth gave me to work on 20:12:55 for the getting involved guide 20:14:01 Yeah we didn't discuss about it, but I would agree with tatica on that, We have join page, so why should we update GIG? 20:14:12 Will say that on the next meeting 20:14:46 I just think the wiki should have info as well so if one person is in the wiki then they can read how to contribute from within the wiki 20:15:19 yeah 20:15:20 and not have to hop between different websites, and since the team join pages are in the wiki it seems like a good place for the page 20:15:26 I think the wiki is the best place for this sort of information 20:15:32 Yes I agree 20:16:01 Still not going off this theme, I'm a bit unsure of what I should write in Fedora Magazine 20:16:05 actually join page have nice graphics, have categorized objectives that people can do (etc OS developer, Translation, People Person) 20:16:15 I like to write and I have even written a few things. But I'm curious about what should I write, or if I hav to show to anyone before and so on 20:16:37 We will discuss it further on the next meeting, where ruth will show up 20:17:09 That sounds good 20:17:16 You are an editor, You can publish your posts right away (doesn't require moderation) 20:17:33 I am not sure what you are saying here 20:18:10 Mitzie: I will show you three examples. I think it will cover most of my doubts 20:18:41 a) Can I post an article about free software activism? Or something related to what's free software, or free software licenses, and so on? 20:19:30 Maybe we should only contain articles about fedora. In the beggining, fedora magazine replaced fedora weekly news 20:20:39 b) Can I post my opinion about Fedora Project? Or what's Fedora is good for, or what's Fedora Four Foundations, and these things? 20:20:51 Or how can I do X or y in Fedora? 20:21:03 I'm a bit curious on how far I can go from Fedora Fedora.. Not sure if I'm being clear enough. 20:21:32 Yes definitely! The 4 fedora foundation should be great to exist on the magazine 20:21:44 Don't worry I understand 20:21:46 How big should be the article? 20:22:33 Actually there is not limit; although It would be good to cover all the things you are talking about. Not sure If you understand me 20:22:41 Yes, I am. 20:22:51 http://mribeirodantas.github.io/readings.html 20:23:03 About how far can you go with the magazine 20:23:17 I could rewrite my draft about FPCA (I posted it in Fedora Planet) and publish it in Fedora Magazine 20:23:19 What do you think? 20:23:37 http://mribeirodantas.github.io/WhyFPCADoesNoHarm.html 20:24:24 Everything fedora related is highly acceptable on the magazine 20:24:33 Great. 20:24:57 I'm really sorry but I will have to leave now. Timezone kills me some times ehehe 20:25:26 But about Open Source in a more general way I am not quite sure If articles like these should be in the magazine 20:25:38 I think the magazine more like a portal news to fedora 20:25:52 Ok mribeirodantas 20:26:01 I see, I got it. Thank you for making it clear :) 20:26:04 We can discuss it furhter on the next meeting 20:26:08 It was a pleasure to join you guys this afternoon 20:26:22 Nice to meet you too, good luck with the magazine 20:26:26 Thank you 20:26:36 nice to meet you too and the others that I hadn't spoken to yet :) 20:26:45 So are everything covered? 20:26:58 I think so for this meeting 20:27:06 yeah me too :P 20:27:14 I will let you know when I hear back on the ticket and cc Ruth 20:27:18 wow misunderstood 20:27:30 sorry I read far 20:28:12 Please do! 20:28:53 See you everyone on the next meeting 20:29:00 #endmeeting