16:30:25 <nirik> #startmeeting Fedora Mobility SIG
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16:30:25 <nirik> #meeting_name fedora_mobility_sig
16:30:25 <nirik> #chair torbuntu pbrobinson
16:30:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: nirik pbrobinson torbuntu
16:30:25 <nirik> #topic Init process
16:30:51 <nirik> morning all.
16:31:00 <torbuntu> Hey there!
16:32:13 <nirik> will wait a few min for folks to wander in.
16:32:22 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
16:32:23 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
16:34:15 <nirik> ok, I guess lets go ahead.
16:34:20 <nirik> #topic remix status
16:34:40 <nirik> I finally had a chance to play around with things yesterday. It's looking a lot better than it had. ;)
16:34:53 <nirik> I couldn't get mms working, but I didn't have too much time to try.
16:35:47 <CyborgGER> hi
16:35:54 <nirik> torbuntu: you were advocating we drop kgx from the image? I think thats fine...
16:35:58 <nirik> hey CyborgGER
16:36:27 <torbuntu> Well the reasons being GNOME-terminal now fits, and the scroll bar is actually more convenient than finger scrolling in kgx.
16:36:44 <torbuntu> So in the future releases I'll swap those two. This also means we can drop the kgx package review.
16:36:55 <nirik> ah, I thought it was already in?
16:37:01 <dtometzki> .hello dtometzki
16:37:02 <zodbot> dtometzki: dtometzki 'Damian Tometzki' <linux@tometzki.de>
16:37:08 <torbuntu> <nirik "I couldn't get mms working, but "> mms isn't supported yet in upstream chatty. There is work going on to add it though.
16:37:43 <nirik> ah, I thought mmsd was enough... but makes sense that it needs a app to be able to do it.
16:38:04 <CyborgGER> if i may.. on the old continent most people i know of deactivated mms anyway.
16:38:08 <torbuntu> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1869109
16:38:29 <nirik> CyborgGER: yeah, here in the US however, it gets used for any larger SMS/pitures/movies/etc
16:38:33 <torbuntu> in the US mms is still a primary mode of communication. From group messaging to sending any sort of media.
16:38:36 <nirik> or group chats
16:38:45 <nirik> yeah, sadly so.
16:38:47 <torbuntu> group chats is the killer.
16:39:13 <torbuntu> I've been chatting and testing with the devs of mmsd and chatty, it may be supported in the next release.
16:39:13 <dtometzki> ah no whatsapp :-)
16:39:27 <torbuntu> Speaking of chatty: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1928969
16:39:31 <nirik> it's also amusing here as when I move my simm to the pinephone and mms doesn't work, when I move it back, I get a bunch of texts from my provider telling me my mms isn't working. Gee thanks. :)
16:40:12 <CyborgGER> anytime i swap my simcard, my android reminds me, what my phone number is ;)
16:40:32 <nirik> On the plus side, lots more apps appear to behave better now... calibre is mostly usable, neochat works great, firefox isn't too bad.
16:41:09 <nirik> I keep meaning to get to the chatty review. I will try again this week. :)
16:41:22 <CyborgGER> if apps wouldn't crash due to libgl problems much :(
16:41:29 <torbuntu> thanks nirik!
16:41:41 * nirik opens a tab so he doesn't forget it.
16:42:08 <nirik> also with the latest kernel things seem quite usable speed wise to me.
16:43:00 <nirik> anyhow, anything else on the remix today?
16:43:19 <CyborgGER> libgl support.
16:43:41 <nirik> oh? care to expand on that?
16:44:16 <CyborgGER> " the missing support " a lot of aps crash as soon as they start to offload image work to the gpu. It's frustating.
16:44:33 <nirik> huh. I haven't seen that... (but I might not have been looking).
16:44:44 <nirik> is that a mesa or kernel issue?
16:44:45 <torbuntu> The hardware doesn't support newer gl versions.
16:44:52 <CyborgGER> i have serveral bugs open in Bz
16:45:35 <CyborgGER> I have no clue yet, i would tend for mesa
16:45:58 <CyborgGER> EGL support i.e. seems to be missing
16:46:41 <CyborgGER> Thats why i wonder, how you got neochat to work, which crashes on every second start
16:46:43 <nirik> but is that software or hardware?
16:47:06 <CyborgGER> i have to feedback yet.
16:47:12 <CyborgGER> -to +no
16:47:53 <torbuntu> https://developer.arm.com/ip-products/graphics-and-multimedia/mali-gpus/mali-400-gpu
16:47:56 <CyborgGER> I hoped to get some progress on the firefox issues with libgl, so webrtc would start to work smooth.
16:48:02 <nirik[m]> typing this on neochat on my pinephone.... 😍
16:48:09 <torbuntu> the hardware is really under powered in the graphics department. I'd expect most heavier apps will not work great.
16:48:42 <CyborgGER> the gpu isn't bad. it decodes FULLHD h264 with 1 or 2 drops a movie.
16:48:57 <CyborgGER> MPV is sooo fast... :D
16:49:53 <CyborgGER> FF: i did anything Mr. Stransky has in his blog .. but it's not enough.
16:49:59 <nirik> the entire pinephone is pretty underpowered... but hopefully we can get it to be usable for at least some people day to day. :)
16:50:11 <CyborgGER> atm ff. fails to detected, that the pinephone does not have a VAG adapter :)
16:50:24 <CyborgGER> VGA
16:50:51 <torbuntu> In terms of "core mobile apps" I think after chatty is in (and then eventually mmsd for further supported functionality) we will have everything needed for a phone dedicated spin.
16:50:57 <CyborgGER> PRobinson could know more.
16:51:26 <nirik> torbuntu: well, except kernel right? which brings us to the next topic...
16:51:38 <nirik> #topic official spin/upstreamed
16:52:03 <nirik> does the stock rawhide kernel have network (or even display) yet?
16:52:20 <nirik> I meant to try, but ran out of time yesterday, so I am not sure the current state.
16:52:36 <torbuntu> That is something I've not been looking at (kernel). I can try later this week, as I thought display at one point was in fact coming up for me.
16:52:49 <torbuntu> I've been focused this weekend on trying to get the pinetab up and running with rawhide
16:53:02 <torbuntu> but I wasn't able to juggle the dtb correctly to get it working.
16:53:18 <_Yoda> me neither
16:53:34 <nirik> I can try and look in coming weeks too.
16:53:40 <_Yoda> and its not better for the phone either
16:53:41 <nirik> I do have a serial adapter
16:54:05 <nirik> as far as I know the wlan driver is still not upstreamed. ;(
16:54:38 <torbuntu> for the tablet I was going to use a wifi dongle, but since it never came up on the screen that wasn't helpful haha
16:54:59 <nirik> does the tablet have serial ability?
16:55:20 <torbuntu> If you mean the console cable, it uses the same one as the pinephone and pinebook pro through the 3.5 jack
16:55:39 <nirik> ah cool.
16:55:43 <torbuntu> There is a toggle you'll need to flip next to the sd card reader though
16:55:47 <torbuntu> a little switch
16:56:48 <nirik> so yeah, I think in userspace/apps we are not too bad anymore, but we need to see how far off the kernel is.
16:57:29 <_Yoda> it does have the right drivers for the panels
16:57:30 <nirik> #topic open floor
16:57:40 <nirik> Any other items to discuss?
16:58:05 <CyborgGER> but as soon as it's a spin, you can't rely on rawhide anymore.
16:58:11 <_Yoda> I have the nightly build up and running now
16:58:16 <torbuntu> on the tablet?
16:58:49 <nirik> CyborgGER: yeah... although we can just add the kickstarts and produce the images ourselves (in copr perhaps) until we are ready to land it as official
16:59:17 <torbuntu> Last meeting I thought there was talk of getting up a kernel in copr to work with so that we could begin building more "official" images?
16:59:17 <_Yoda> currently only workstation builds. Minimal will follow, and then tab l8r
16:59:59 <nirik> torbuntu: yeah, pbrobinson was going to work on that... we can ask status on list or the like.
17:00:21 <nirik> anyone else interested in/going to get the keyboard? :)
17:00:22 <torbuntu> Cool, I just don't want to step on toes or duplicate as much as possible.
17:00:30 <torbuntu> Absolutely!
17:00:39 <torbuntu> Might pull an all nighter just to make sure I get the preorder in.
17:00:54 <nirik> I'm looking forward to it. Not only for the keyboard, but it's another battery...
17:01:03 <torbuntu> jumbo battery
17:01:35 <nirik> I would hope support for it would be pretty easy. I don't know if it attaches via usb-c or gpio
17:01:53 <torbuntu> So, for the next image release on github anyway, I'll replace the terminal, and then automatically set auto scale to global.
17:02:06 <torbuntu> I think it attached over gpio
17:03:12 <nirik> yeah, I think they had it both ways at some times, so not sure what was decided in the end.
17:03:52 <torbuntu> Might find out the 15th when the next announce drops
17:05:44 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a min
17:05:59 <CyborgGER> ben?
17:06:27 <torbuntu> looking at the mobility tracker, this got merged and is in fedora now: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1922166
17:06:29 <torbuntu> but it still looks open
17:06:56 <torbuntu> and as for kgx, should we just close the review? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1869109
17:07:38 <nirik> yeah, +1
17:07:58 <nirik> if that first one is in already, close it.
17:08:14 <nirik> usually you have bodhi do that when it's stable, but if it's just rawhide only you have to manually do so
17:08:16 <torbuntu> Cool, I'll close both of those then :)
17:09:59 <torbuntu> That's all from me.
17:10:21 <nirik> ok, thanks everyone! Lets continue over in #fedora-phone. Thanks for everyone's hard work. :)
17:10:26 <nirik> #endmeeting