16:30:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Fedora Mobility SIG
16:30:02 <nirik> #meeting_name fedora_mobility_sig
16:30:02 <nirik> #chair torbuntu pbrobinson _Yoda_
16:30:02 <nirik> #topic init process
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16:30:10 <nirik> who all is around for a mobility sig meeting?
16:30:44 <Marius[m]12> here
16:31:11 * nirik will give a few for folks to wander in
16:31:14 <Marius[m]12> Whats the "usefull command #halp" ??
16:31:46 <yoda[m]> o/
16:31:59 <nirik> it identifies a thing that you want help with in the meeting logs... no idea why they called it halp...
16:34:48 <nirik> #topic remix status / issues / plans
16:35:05 <nirik> so, hows things? I guess there's a bad dnf/gpg thing still? is that filed anywhere?
16:35:31 * torsh[m]1 waves
16:35:39 <nirik> hey
16:35:58 <yoda[m]> Not by me. It seems to only hit when using qemu
16:36:07 <Marius[m]12> that sounds strange in itself.
16:36:42 <nirik> yeah, pretty odd.
16:36:58 <nirik> how's sound these days?
16:37:05 <yoda[m]> It happens when dnf fetches files from our copr. No problems from Fedora repos
16:37:07 * nirik needs to update his phone and see how things are
16:37:29 <nirik> even more weird.
16:37:39 <yoda[m]> Same issues I think
16:37:46 <Marius[m]12> since i kicked pipewire and switched back to pulse, it works as a charme
16:38:15 <torsh[m]1> I'm still unable to determine why it works on one phone and not the other with the "same stack"
16:38:21 <torsh[m]1> As in, both using wireplumber and pipewire.
16:38:31 <nirik> save rev phones?
16:38:47 <Marius[m]12> tor: thats reminds me of early 2021 where we asked the same question about pipewire + alsoa combos.
16:38:50 <torsh[m]1> One is Manjaro CE the other is Beta
16:38:54 <torsh[m]1> the working one is Beta Edition
16:38:59 <nirik> Marius[m]12: thats ok for a stop gap, but fedora is moving all to pipewire, so we will likely need to get it working someday
16:39:21 <Marius[m]12> nirik: no doubt about that.
16:39:29 <nirik> :)
16:39:45 <copperi[m]1> sooner rather than later
16:40:11 <Marius[m]12> but it needs to work first and we can't do anything about it other than reporting the issues.
16:40:29 * nirik nods.
16:41:13 <nirik> in my expererence wirepulmber/pipewire maintainers are pretty responsive... but of course pinephone could be the bottom of their priority list.
16:41:57 <torsh[m]1> the callaudiod developer is also very busy, so not much movement happening on that side.
16:42:34 <nirik> yeah.
16:43:22 <torsh[m]1> So, not much change overall besides the usual package updates. As far as I know.
16:43:27 <nirik> #info there's a plasma mobile remix test image: ftp://pine.warpspeed.dk/testbuild/Plasma-Mobile-F36-2021-11-01.img.xz (from the ticket comments)
16:44:12 <yoda[m]> No phone and no sms - but besides that I Think it works grelt
16:44:23 <yoda[m]> Great
16:45:03 <yoda[m]> Phone and sms is waiting for update from the KDE people
16:45:14 <Marius[m]12> did you add megis bootmenu to your image (as always?)
16:45:31 <yoda[m]> Of course :)
16:45:32 <nirik> are there still packages we need to package up?
16:46:08 <Marius[m]12> than  i must find a new sdcard to test it ...
16:46:18 <yoda[m]> And the nightlies works from eMMC too now
16:46:38 <torsh[m]1> nirik: for the plasma image or in general?
16:46:42 <yoda[m]> Yes we are still missing some of the Gear apps for plamo
16:46:44 <nirik> well, either I guess.
16:47:31 <torsh[m]1> I still just have the usual list which require other changes:
16:47:31 <torsh[m]1> - mmsd-tng (waiting for Chatty to have the release with supported front end, then I'll submit a request)
16:47:31 <torsh[m]1> - eg25-manager (useless with current kernel)
16:49:03 <Marius[m]12> Quick question: do we have security audits for all components that get in contact with the modem and/or process outside data arrived via modem?
16:49:38 <nirik> I'm not aware of any security auditing in fedora...
16:51:05 <nirik> https://pagure.io/fedora-mobility/issue/10 has a list of plasma packages in the last comment...
16:51:10 <Marius[m]12> naja,.. i.e. mms are a critical security risk on other phones...
16:52:19 <nirik> anything else on remix today?
16:52:45 <nirik> Oh, there was a note on the meeting ticket to discuss:
16:52:54 <nirik> add Modemmanager / GPS as topic
16:53:24 <nirik> My understanding is that currently it doesn't work... but that was a while ago when last I looked.
16:53:25 <Marius[m]12> yes.. the modemmanager devs have added the rules to geoclue to upstream.
16:53:38 <nirik> ah, so it's working now? out of the box?
16:53:50 <Marius[m]12> our little downstream patch will be unneccessary in the future
16:54:10 <Marius[m]12> They merged it, but no idea when we see it in a build.
16:54:22 <Marius[m]12> and yes, thats the goal: working out of the box ;)
16:54:35 <nirik> awesome.
16:54:46 <nirik> #topic fedora mainline plans
16:54:57 <Marius[m]12> if you wanne test it, there is a RPM in our normal channel. just install it, than your gps works.
16:55:11 <nirik> so I think we are still waiting and hoping to get the modem or wifi working with fedora kernels, until that happens we are pretty stuck
16:55:21 <nirik> Marius[m]12: cool, whats the package name?
16:55:22 <yoda[m]> Which RPM ?
16:55:41 <Marius[m]12> one second.
16:56:04 <Marius[m]12> this one: https://static.bloggt-in-braunschweig.de/modemmanager-agps-1-1.aarch64.rpm
16:56:08 <yoda[m]> Not Munch chance for wifi - no one seems to want to upstream it
16:56:23 <nirik> yep. ;( modem has a slight chance.
16:56:46 <nirik> #topic all other business
16:57:03 <nirik> I'm much more hopeful on the pinephone pro. :) Anyone have one yet?
16:57:13 <yoda[m]> Modem should work with eg25-manager
16:57:27 <Marius[m]12> megi got a pro ;)
16:57:58 <nirik> yoda[m]: yeah, but needs also some dt fixes I think... or something.
16:58:17 <torsh[m]1> nirik: I'm going to wait for a bit before I can save up for that one.
16:58:21 <nirik> The pro seems to be much more vanilla kernel friendly
16:58:48 <yoda[m]> Sure - you need to update dts to include modem information
16:59:36 <nirik> anyone here who might be able to take a stab at that? I know pbrobinson was looking into it, but he's super busy, so if we could come up with something he could review that would be a great help
16:59:46 * nirik has never messed with them personally
17:00:59 <Marius[m]12> passe
17:01:16 <yoda[m]> Neither have I - but I guess all needed changes can be found in Mobians DTS
17:01:36 <Marius[m]12> btw, can the dt be installed device depended?
17:02:36 <nirik> no idea. I think it's read from the boot volume?
17:03:22 <nirik> ok, any other items folks would like to discuss?
17:03:27 <Marius[m]12> not that you need to maintain two different images. that would a a big hassle
17:04:13 <torsh[m]> I've not much info today unfortunately
17:04:25 <yoda[m]> There is already 3 different dts’s for the på
17:04:33 <yoda[m]> Pinephone
17:05:16 <yoda[m]> I don’t have anything…
17:05:43 <nirik> Oh, there was also a thread on a council ticket since we last met about making pinephone pro a fedora objective: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/380
17:05:53 <nirik> it sort of petered out...
17:06:54 <yoda[m]> I guess there is not Munch we can add to that
17:06:55 <nirik> so, not sure what will become there, but do comment if anyone has further thoughts on it.
17:07:00 <torsh[m]> I thought it was kde specifically so I didn't have anything to add there since I'm not involved on that space.
17:07:29 <nirik> I'd really prefer a single image allowing you to switch between phosh/plasma mobile
17:07:55 <torsh[m]> Having the two desktops on the same image would cause a little mess though couldn't it?
17:08:09 <yoda[m]> I intend to make such image soon
17:08:13 <nirik> sure, it could, we would have to test and work those issues out
17:08:13 <torsh[m]> I know having kde and gnome together can sometimes leave weird behavior. Or at least last I had it.
17:08:33 <nirik> it shouldn't really, so if it does thats something to be fixed. IMHO
17:09:01 <Marius[m]12> the normal desktops do not interfere much, no idea about plamo, but it's there any concerns why it should interfere?
17:09:37 <torsh[m]> How about easily removing one or the other? If I only intend to use one, I wouldn't want ModemManager to get taken out with one.
17:09:40 <nirik> the other real issue is how to switch... but I suppose it could even be something that needs you to use a console and run some commands... and then which is primary/default...
17:10:22 <yoda[m]> We already have that in the nightlies
17:10:34 <Marius[m]12> that's not different from now with gnome and phosh.
17:10:39 <nirik> true
17:10:55 <nirik> anyhow, all things to ponder on.
17:11:06 <torsh[m]> And what when we want to do an ostree image?
17:11:08 <nirik> if nothing else today, will close out and let folks get back to their day
17:11:40 <nirik> torsh[m]: well, once we have a 'normal' image working I would say. I don't think it's good to jump to that when we are still trying to get things working...
17:12:07 <torsh[m]> I meant in relation to having both desktop varieties
17:12:21 <torsh[m]> But that is down the road I suppose.
17:12:33 <Marius[m]12> shall i write a small switch app?
17:12:54 <nirik> Marius[m]12: that could be useful, sure...
17:13:13 <yoda[m]> We use lightdm in the nightlies
17:13:53 <Marius[m]12> it will be configureable.
17:15:40 <nirik> alright, thanks for coming everyone. :) Continue in #fedora-mobility
17:15:43 <nirik> #endmeeting