16:30:05 <nirik> #startmeeting Fedora Mobility SIG
16:30:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Dec 13 16:30:05 2021 UTC.
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16:30:06 <nirik> #meeting_name fedora_mobility_sig
16:30:06 <nirik> #chair torbuntu pbrobinson _Yoda_
16:30:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: _Yoda_ nirik pbrobinson torbuntu
16:30:06 <nirik> #topic init process
16:30:18 <nirik> morning.
16:30:22 <torsh[m]> Hey there :)
16:31:42 <nirik> lets wait a few for folks to wander in
16:32:46 <torsh[m]> Sounds good. *waves from Pinephone*
16:33:05 <nirik> nice.
16:33:36 <nirik> chatty's matrix support is actually working? will have to check that out...
16:33:44 <torsh[m]> Latest chatty has working xmpp and matrix again yeah
16:34:05 <torsh[m]> Matrix is still under the experimental flag though
16:34:22 <torsh[m]> Took some tinkering to get it working with encryption
16:34:51 * nirik nods
16:35:40 <_Yoda> hey, sorry i'm a bit late
16:35:48 <torsh[m]1> tinkering being: sign out of device from another session (Element), manually remove the .purple/chatty/db/matrix.db file in the phone. Then sign in again. Then manually verify via text on another session.
16:36:14 <nirik> #topic remix status / issues / plans
16:36:36 <nirik> so, I see there's not been a release for a while... ?
16:37:16 <torsh[m]1> Yeah I'll remedy that soon. There have been some problems I ran into generating the images but I should be able to do it. I'm waiting for Phosh's newest update to reach the mirrors first.
16:37:49 <nirik> ok. That was a few days ago right? I recall reading about it.
16:38:22 <torsh[m]1> I just got the update to 0.14.1 pushed last night. Had to get a patch in libhandy
16:38:35 <nirik> ah, ok.
16:38:59 <torsh[m]1> So by next weekend I'll make it a goal to get a new image out on github.
16:39:05 <torsh[m]1> (before next weekend I mean)
16:39:30 <nirik> one weird remix question: we are using emgi's kernel, is that just the pp patches in it and he's got another tree for ppp, or does he have a kernel/tree with both?
16:40:36 <torsh[m]1> Don't quote me, but I think the ppp would be a separate kernel tree
16:41:03 <_Yoda> well, same tree just different defconfigs
16:41:06 <nirik> ok, thats what I would suspect, but don't know. it might be nice if it was one tree so we could have the remix do both
16:41:23 <torsh[m]1> https://xff.cz/kernels/
16:41:44 <torsh[m]1> If we were to manually build a kernel from the patches we could make a kernel for both
16:42:00 <_Yoda> thats not easy - they need different uboot setups too
16:42:11 <nirik> I'm not sure how important it will be... depends on how usable ppp is with fedora/vanilla kernels.
16:42:11 <torsh[m]1> ah right 👀
16:42:34 <nirik> ok, anything else on the remix?
16:42:41 <_Yoda> but yes - kernel could be common, by mixing the 2 defconfigs
16:43:05 <torsh[m]1> Nothing exciting outside of package updates for anything on the remix.
16:43:16 <nirik> #topic fedora mainline plans
16:43:46 <torsh[m]1> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:43:52 <nirik> nothing I am aware of here sadly
16:44:15 <torsh[m]1> I saw a message by a postmarketOS developer mentioning working with other projects on upstreaming kernel stuff
16:44:36 <nirik> that would be nice... gonna be some heavy lifting tho. ;(
16:44:51 <torsh[m]1> https://fosstodon.org/web/@bart@mastodon.fam-ribbers.com/107415920589835048
16:45:01 <_Yoda> yeah, they are trying to get the devs to work together on a common kernel under pine64 git
16:45:28 <_Yoda> both for pp and ppp
16:45:30 <nirik> greeat!
16:45:38 <_Yoda> to get more stuff upstreamed
16:45:49 <nirik> ok, on to the fun topic...
16:45:52 <nirik> #topic council issue #380 - pinephone pro for developers
16:45:52 <nirik> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/380
16:46:32 <nirik> I'm not sure how to collect this info... I guess I'd be happy to collect in email and send to the council?
16:46:49 <torsh[m]1> Email works for me.
16:47:12 <_Yoda> email is fine
16:47:20 <nirik> I am somewhat aside from it, as I already ordered my ppp and it is supposed to arrive today. ;)
16:47:40 <torsh[m]1> Is it weird that I'm excited to know how your experience is with it?
16:48:18 <nirik> so, I would need: name, address, phone number, what you do/plan to do with it?
16:49:17 <torsh[m]1> 👍️ Sounds good
16:49:40 <torsh[m]1> (Would we just send to your fas email?)
16:49:46 <nirik> and we will need kde sig folks to also make a list
16:49:53 <nirik> sure, sounds good.
16:50:03 <nirik> do we know when they plan on opening up for orders?
16:50:38 <torsh[m]1> I don't, but we may find out in 2 days (the 15th update)
16:51:02 <nirik> ah yeah.
16:51:16 <nirik> it sounds like the council wants to spend before end of year... might be close. :(
16:51:29 <_Yoda> I think they planed opening for it this month - so they can be produced before chinese new-year
16:52:18 <nirik> 🤞
16:52:31 <nirik> sadly, it's pandemic times, so hard to say
16:52:47 <_Yoda> yeah, all is crazy again
16:52:51 <torsh[m]1> Indeed.
16:53:03 <nirik> #topic all other business
16:53:21 <nirik> any other items to talk about?
16:53:57 <torsh[m]1> Not from me unfortunately.
16:54:09 <torsh[m]1> (just remembered I need to do a kernel update for the megi kernel package on copr. whoops)
16:54:10 <_Yoda> nothing from me
16:55:20 <nirik> I'm on vacation until jan... so I hope to have time to play with the ppp and find out a lot more info on it. ;)
16:55:30 <nirik> (of course I have a bunch of other projects too. ;)
16:55:40 <torsh[m]1> 👍️ this is the way
16:56:00 <torsh[m]1> I've got a large amount of free time too so if I can help with anything during December let me know (or whenever too, but I am mostly free December)
16:56:35 <nirik> oh, I saw the mms-tng review, and meant to review it... will try and do a bunch of reviews soon too.
16:57:05 <torsh[m]1> 🥳 awesome. I think I did a fix for a response on there.
16:57:06 <_Yoda> there is some waiting from Onuralp too for plamo packages
16:57:40 <nirik> yeah.
16:57:49 <nirik> I am also eager to see how plamo looks/works...
16:58:09 <_Yoda> We need all packages updated to latest gear
16:58:13 <torsh[m]1> Anyone know how the shift to ModemManager is going?
16:58:23 <nirik> its suposedly done
16:58:26 <_Yoda> they finally rewrote the dialer to use MM
16:58:34 <torsh[m]1> Awesome!
16:58:37 <nirik> ophono is no more. ;)
16:58:43 <nirik> well, it is, but not used...
16:59:24 <nirik> so all thats good news. ;)
16:59:24 <_Yoda> Lomiri still uses it
16:59:53 <nirik> ok
17:00:33 <torsh[m]1> Oh! I was going to mention I've been trying to package some key apps with flatpaks in fedora (chatty and calls) but have been running into a lot of Python blowing up
17:00:52 <torsh[m]1> Is there a central spot for documentation on how to make that work? (packaging flatpak) since the places I've been reading seem broken.
17:01:01 <_Yoda> btw, I noticed that spacebar for plamo has full MMS support
17:01:10 <nirik> I thought there was stuff on docs.fedoraproject.org around it...
17:01:32 <nirik> other than that, kalev or otaylor would be the ones to talk to about it.
17:02:01 <torsh[m]1> 👍️ cool. I'll check again (since updates in rawhide) and see if it works. If not I'll try and find answers :)
17:02:27 <nirik> sounds good.
17:02:46 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone
17:02:50 <nirik> #endmeeting