22:00:34 <nirik> #startmeeting Fedora Mobility SIG
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22:00:42 <nirik> #meeting_name fedora_mobility_sig
22:00:56 <nirik> #chair torbuntu pbrobinson Yoda
22:00:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: Yoda nirik pbrobinson torbuntu
22:01:02 <nirik> #topic init process
22:01:09 <nirik> I need to get more coffee... back in a few min
22:02:02 <torsh[m]1> 👋
22:02:28 <Yoda[m]> 🖐️
22:02:33 <camorris> Hi
22:05:02 <nirik> hey everyone.
22:05:10 <torsh[m]1> Hey there!
22:05:18 <nirik> #topic remix status / issues / plans
22:05:27 <nirik> So, whats the news on the remix front?
22:05:56 <Yoda[m]> nightlies are now build from the Phosh image
22:06:07 <nirik> sweet.
22:06:24 <torsh[m]1> Exciting!
22:06:34 <nirik> So, do you have published anywhere the scripting/changes that it makes? I mean, installing the other kernel obviously...
22:07:11 <torsh[m]1> I've been meaning to update the scripts on the njha github repository, but I haven't gotten the "initial setup" to startup yet on the phosh image itself yet on other systems.
22:07:46 <Yoda[m]> no, not yet - needs a lot of cleaning ... but I'm on it right now
22:07:46 <nirik> yeah, we need to sort that out I guess.
22:07:55 <nirik> #info nightly images are based on the Phosh image + extras
22:08:18 <nirik> anything else on the remix side?
22:09:02 <Yoda[m]> libcamera seems to be working on at least PP - I'm now including qcam
22:09:26 <nirik> nice!
22:09:33 <nirik> progress is being made. ;)
22:09:37 <nirik> #topic fedora mainline
22:10:02 <nirik> So... there's a number of things here:
22:10:25 <nirik> Todays rawhide Phosh image should have a 6.3.0rc0 kernel in it... we should see if it can light up the display/etc. I plan to try and do that later.
22:10:31 <nirik> We should look at all the stuff thats on the Phosh image and... prune.
22:10:31 <torsh[m]1> On both the PP and Pro?
22:10:36 <nirik> it's gigantic.
22:10:45 <nirik> just the pro I think
22:10:50 <nirik> but unclear.
22:11:06 <Yoda[m]> I just build todays image in nightlies for PPP
22:11:23 <Yoda[m]> haven't tested it yet
22:11:26 * nirik starts a download
22:12:11 <nirik> #info help wanted to help prune things from the Phosh image.
22:12:23 <Yoda[m]> Yes, there is way too many packages. Even on minimal image I remove a lot
22:12:29 <torsh[m]1> I suppose an ostree image would need more of the basic hardware support completed first right?
22:12:31 <nirik> #info testing wanted on the fedora stock kernel and how it does on both ppp and pp
22:12:48 <Yoda[m]> However I have left everything on the Phosh image for now
22:12:55 <nirik> yeah, the thought was to get it all working and then we could look at ostree... it's too many parts right now to do that
22:13:36 <Yoda[m]> the Phosh image is also too big (12GB) set it down to ex 8GB would be nicer
22:13:56 <nirik> We can do that... just needs a PR.
22:14:11 <nirik> I think I picked 12 just to make sure it didn't run out of space
22:14:16 <Yoda[m]> it also funny enough do not have the Phosh group installed
22:14:34 <nirik> really? huh... that doesn't sound right.
22:15:31 <Yoda[m]> almost all packages are there - but when I install phosh group on it it adds 2 packages iirc
22:15:33 <nirik> anyhow, it's not intended. Will need to investigate.
22:16:12 <Yoda[m]> Then we need mobile release identity on it
22:16:25 <nirik> note that it installs the 'phosh-desktop-environment' env group... which should have the main phosh-desktop packages in it.
22:16:38 <nirik> Oh yes, thats another thing.
22:16:51 <nirik> #info needed: fedora-release-mobility package added to fedora-release
22:17:07 <Yoda[m]> Is it possible to get openQA to test the image ?
22:17:12 <nirik> what are the 2 package it installs? if you can recall?
22:17:49 <nirik> possibly yes? we would need to ask adamw about that
22:17:49 <Yoda[m]> I'll check the log...
22:18:18 <Yoda[m]> Installerer gruppe-/modulpakker:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ee9560c62fa6a0dca0f9b088f0d96d5c026f400d>)
22:18:55 <nirik> ahhhh.
22:18:59 <nirik> yes, thats expected...
22:19:20 <nirik> we can't distribute that... it has to be downloaded from cisco (who can distribute it)
22:19:41 <nirik> probibly should remove it from the group?
22:20:05 <nirik> or perhaps it does some good being there. dunno.
22:21:16 <Yoda[m]> I think just leave it - then it might be pickup auto when users update
22:21:29 <nirik> yeah. It's in another group ('multimedia') too
22:21:53 <nirik> I'm a bit surprised it doesn't fail the image build.
22:22:12 <Yoda[m]> maybe it is just a recommended package
22:22:40 <nirik> nope, it's regular:       <packagereq>gstreamer1-plugin-openh264</packagereq>
22:23:01 <nirik> anyhow.
22:23:31 <nirik> One other thing: we should talk to the websites folks about adding this image somewhere...
22:23:36 <nirik> #info needed: someone to talk to websites and see about adding phosh image info
22:24:10 <Yoda[m]> Nico was asking about that a few days ago
22:24:40 <nirik> ah nice.
22:24:54 <nirik> Anything else on the phosh image?
22:25:13 <Yoda[m]> That was all I noted
22:25:13 <nirik> How are things looking on the plasma-mobile front?
22:25:13 <torsh[m]1> I need to get to packaging and submitting a request for phosh-mobile-settings https://gitlab.gnome.org/guidog/phosh-mobile-settings
22:25:42 <nirik> nice.
22:26:37 <Yoda[m]> I have no idea if the KDE guys are doing anything with plasma-mobile
22:27:00 <nirik> I think they are, but I am not sure the status... I suppose we should ping them.
22:27:16 <Yoda[m]> Onuralp Sezer (he/him) any news ?
22:28:17 <Yoda[m]> at least I think that all apps for it is packaged
22:28:40 <nirik> I've noticed more folks coming by running on more mainstream hardware (oneplus6t, etc). Anyone have any experences there? are any of those other devices fall enough along to try and target things on?
22:30:35 <Yoda[m]> I don't have any usefull device. As far as I hear, not enough is upstreamed to make any of them work - so it would require a remix with another kernel
22:30:54 <nirik> looking at the postmarketos page for oneplus6 a lot of things work there... but yeah...
22:31:10 <torsh[m]1> Is that using a downstream kernel though?
22:31:25 <nirik> likely so yes
22:31:29 <Yoda[m]> yeah, patches exists, but upstreaming takes time
22:31:50 <nirik> yep. Not easy at all.
22:32:09 <Yoda[m]> the only ones that can make any remix for those phones, are the owners
22:32:27 <nirik> continuing on the hardware discussion: there's a new keyboard firmware for the pinephone keyboard. (I haven't updated mine yet, but plan to soo)
22:32:31 <nirik> soon even
22:32:54 <Yoda[m]> yes, I saw that too
22:33:30 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
22:34:04 <nirik> Oh, I had one other issue... meeting time. ;) Folks in the ticket said monday at 18utc was better for them, so was going to try that next time? or should we stick to this slot?
22:34:33 <torsh[m]> This slot works best for me but I can attempt to make the other one. Or post on the meeting ticket any notes
22:35:35 <Yoda[m]> I don't know working hours more than 25 days ahead
22:36:06 <nirik> yeah. understand.
22:36:19 <nirik> well, we can try monday and if no one shows, punt to wed. ;)
22:36:40 <Yoda[m]> :)
22:37:33 <nirik> anyone have anything else to discuss? I'm happy we are finally making some progress... thanks to everyone's hard work
22:38:22 <torsh[m]> Been some very exciting progress lately indeed.
22:38:23 <torsh[m]> I didn't have anything else 👀
22:38:36 <Yoda[m]> nothing here either
22:39:32 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
22:39:34 <nirik> #endmeeting