22:00:14 <nirik> #startmeeting Fedora Mobility SIG
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22:00:14 <nirik> #meeting_name fedora_mobility_sig
22:00:14 <nirik> #chair torbuntu pbrobinson _Yoda_
22:00:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: _Yoda_ nirik pbrobinson torbuntu
22:00:14 <nirik> #topic init process
22:02:46 <_Yoda> Yo
22:03:19 <nirik> hey _Yoda
22:03:37 * nirik will wait a few more min
22:04:06 <_Yoda> I guess todays only topic would be "Mobility sig shutdown?"
22:04:40 <nirik> yeah, definitely lost energy lately...
22:04:55 <nirik> I've been really busy with other stuff.
22:05:23 <nirik> and the hardware enablement situation is... still sad
22:05:25 <_Yoda> If torbuntu drops his packages - Phosh image is history
22:06:19 <nirik> I thought about picking things up, but given how busy have been I didn't want to commit to it...
22:06:22 <_Yoda> Yeah PP wil never be supported in Fedora-kernel
22:06:27 <nirik> but I guess I could try and cary them along for a while.
22:06:47 <nirik> There's also a few tickets that got opened the other day... not sure where to refer that person to...
22:07:05 <nirik> https://pagure.io/fedora-mobility/issue/41 and https://pagure.io/fedora-mobility/issue/42
22:07:17 <_Yoda> oh
22:07:36 <nirik> Honestly at this point I think we have more hope of something like a oneplus getting enough support.
22:07:48 <nirik> (than to have pp or ppp ever get all needed support)
22:09:07 <nirik> The folks working on oneplus support also kind of disappeared.
22:09:39 <_Yoda> Well I can answer both of them. He must be using an old image for the update error - and yes SElinux is not supported in my megi kernels
22:10:19 <_Yoda> Yeah, they also ran out of time - so if we do not get more ppl in here - we are dead
22:10:22 <nirik> ok, cool. feel free to answer and close. ;)
22:11:26 <nirik> yeah. I guess we could do a 'state of things' type post and see if we get any new interest? or just go dormant? or wait and hope?
22:12:33 <_Yoda> I guess we can do a call for ppl - and if noone turnes up to do some stuff until next meeting, then it is over....
22:13:56 <nirik> ok. I can try and do that... might not be right away, but will add it to the list...
22:14:07 <nirik> and can run it by for a editoral pass before sending?
22:14:27 <_Yoda> ..and my builds are failing again:  umount /proc  proc is busy   wtf ?
22:15:08 <nirik> new mock does a fair bit with /dev now
22:15:16 <nirik> did you update mock recently?
22:15:30 <_Yoda> we should post it in channel every day I guess - so noone can claim they "missed" it
22:16:17 <_Yoda> I think my server runs F37 - updated with everything but kernel
22:16:54 <nirik> yeah, let me do a 'here's where we are and we need help' post, then we can start reposting a link to that... ;)
22:17:49 <_Yoda> sure
22:18:41 <nirik> there is now the fairphone...
22:19:17 <_Yoda> Not sure how mainline ready that is
22:19:39 <nirik> yeah, me either.
22:19:46 <_Yoda> But we need packagers anyway, no matter what hw
22:20:02 <nirik> I think if we can't find a good target that actually is somewhat close to working it makes it really depressing
22:20:24 <nirik> sure, but it's anoying to have all our application stack happy and... nothing to run it on.
22:21:09 <_Yoda> well, the kernel policies doesn't make that easier for sure
22:21:39 <_Yoda> btw - would it be legal to package megi-kernel and put it in normal fedora repo ?
22:21:52 <nirik> that, but also vendors don't make it easy either.
22:22:12 <nirik> not easily. In the past it's been forbidden to have seperate kernel packages.
22:22:21 <nirik> so it would need some kind of exception.
22:22:54 <_Yoda> ok - I didn't know that - that why asking
22:22:55 <nirik> BTW, fairphone-5 still seems to be !usa
22:23:22 <_Yoda> oh still only eu ? funky
22:23:55 <nirik> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packaged/#_only_one_kernel_package
22:24:27 <nirik> there is the liberm one, but man, it's crazy expensive last I looked
22:25:00 <_Yoda> Ah, never found that page
22:25:35 <_Yoda> yeah, librem is completely out of the scope for any normal user
22:25:48 <nirik> yeah
22:26:02 <_Yoda> and a used OT6 will be much faster and 100x cheaper
22:26:18 <nirik> pp and ppp are too low end/no vendor help upstreaming and librem 5 is way too expensive. ;)
22:26:47 <nirik> yeah, perhaps it's worth talking to kernel maintainers and seeing if they see any hope for any particular hardware
22:27:17 <_Yoda> PPP is a mistake. Sure faster than PP but uses way too much power (old 40nm dessign)
22:28:48 <nirik> yeah...
22:28:57 <_Yoda> it is a bit of shame, that they won't take megis patches. After all, they do live up to the requirements, that they should be maintained, as he really do that, also for linux-next
22:29:08 <nirik> along with tho the vendor just 'here you go, someone worked on some patches, good luck' doesn't help
22:29:26 <nirik> yeah, he's amazing to be clear...
22:30:03 <_Yoda> and it is aound 10 devices he supports after all - a bunch of sbc's too
22:30:21 <nirik> yeah
22:31:10 <nirik> anyhow, anything else?
22:31:15 <_Yoda> nope
22:32:20 <nirik> ok, thanks for all your work on things. Perhaps we will get an influx of working hardware or people. ;)
22:32:27 <nirik> back into the matrix!
22:32:40 <_Yoda> see ya
22:32:43 <nirik> #endmeeting