14:02:58 #startmeeting Security Team Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Team_meetings 14:02:58 Meeting started Thu Mar 26 14:02:58 2015 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:03:01 #meetingname Fedora Security Team 14:03:01 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_security_team' 14:03:06 #topic Roll Call 14:03:08 * Sparks 14:03:18 .fas bvincent 14:03:19 bvincent: bvincent 'Brandon Vincent' 14:03:24 here 14:04:47 .fas fleite 14:04:48 FabioOlive: fleite 'Fabio Olive Leite' 14:05:26 Hi, 14:06:04 .fas dcafaro 14:06:05 d-caf: dcafaro '' 14:06:16 .fas pjp 14:06:17 pjp_: pjp '' - pjpedro 'PJ Pedro' - sandeepj 'sandeepj' 14:06:40 I should register a new Fedora account and not use gmail... :-/ 14:07:21 FabioOlive: You don't have FAS account? 0_0 ;) 14:07:32 I said "a new one" 14:07:38 Agenda has been updated. 14:07:42 Okay, lets get started. 14:07:48 ok 14:07:55 #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better" 14:08:09 #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 14:08:15 #info Thursday's numbers: Critical 1, Important 46 (-2), Moderate 376 (+7), Low 163 (-1), Total 586, Trend +4 14:08:21 #info Current tickets owned: 171 (~29%) 14:08:27 #info Tickets closed: 247 (+2) 14:08:42 Does anyone have anything WRT BZ tickets? 14:09:54 Nope, it seems, 14:10:17 No, just strugling to get people to respond, as normal 14:10:30 d-caf: I suspect that will be a continuing effort. 14:10:49 Sparks: I suspect you are correct :-/ 14:11:15 * pjp_ wonders why folks don't respond? o_0 14:12:26 I think many people drop packages in the repos and then promptly ignore them. They don't actually believe in it being a continuing effort. 14:12:51 Do we have mechanisms for taking over packages from unresponsive maintainers? 14:13:00 Sparks: true 14:13:05 FabioOlive: Yes, 14:13:13 ok I'll read about that 14:13:32 FabioOlive: Do we have the resources to take over packages? I.e. who will maintain them going forward? 14:14:13 FabioOlive: Fedora has non-responsive maintainer policy -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers 14:14:19 Question is do we leave them in if the maintainer drops, then leaves and then an Major sec bug is found with no one to patch 14:15:18 pjp_: that seems to cover it well 14:15:24 We should be working with release engineering on these questions. 14:15:31 d-caf: depends if there are current users for the package 14:15:43 If a package ends up being orphaned they now have a policy for removing those packages from the repos. 14:16:09 pjp_: We never know if anyone is actually using a package. 14:16:18 d-caf: if there are users using it, dropping such packages would be tricky, 14:16:49 pjp_: True, but leaving them exposed (and thinking they are going to get updates) is tricky as well 14:16:58 Sparks: True, one way to know is shout on the -devel & -users lists, then wait for a week or two before dropping it, 14:17:13 d-caf: I agree, 14:18:10 * pjp_ wonders if packagedb or yum repositories could give some stats about which packages are installed/pulled by users and which not 14:19:56 d-caf: Agreed 14:20:43 d-caf: I've not really found a good answer to this question. We have options but none have actually been great options. 14:21:02 I fear there is no good solution out there right now 14:21:18 Would likely need to update the functionality of both rpm and yum to handle it 14:21:33 #idea We create a list of packages that have been retired. yum/dnf checks this list against what it knows is installed on the system and alerts the user/admin when something they have installed shows up on the list. 14:24:30 Ideally it would be nice to cover both package retirements or significant functionality downgrades (like what happened with intels microcode update for haswell cpus) 14:25:21 wow did that one bite me hard... 14:25:35 Sure, it could be multi-functional 14:27:59 Okay, I'll try to write something up on my blog about this later in hopes of sparking some discussino. 14:28:03 discussion, even. 14:28:18 #topic Open floor discussion/questions/comments 14:28:22 Anyone have anything? 14:28:39 Sparks: be sure to share the link to the blog post when you do so comments can be added :-) 14:29:07 Okay. I should be on the planet as well. 14:30:53 Anyone? Anything? 14:31:56 Okay, everyone have a good day. 14:31:59 #endmeeting