14:08:09 <Sparks> #startmeeting Security Team Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Team_meetings
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14:08:12 <Sparks> #meetingname Fedora Security Team
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14:08:14 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
14:08:16 * Sparks 
14:08:20 * d-caf 
14:08:47 <Sparks> mhayden jsmith zoglesby: We're starting
14:08:58 <mhayden> .hello mhayden
14:08:59 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <major@mhtx.net>
14:09:41 * jsmith is in a ${DAYJOB} meeting, but will try to multitask
14:10:51 * Sparks notes that this meeting does not require himself and encourages others to take the reigns when necessary.
14:11:24 * d-caf Notes Sparks thoughts...
14:12:15 <Sparks> Okay, lets get started
14:12:29 <Sparks> #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better"
14:13:07 * Sparks is going to avoid previous weeks' tasks for today since he doesn't have any update on them
14:13:14 <Sparks> #topic Education and Training
14:13:21 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Information_Security_Training
14:14:29 <Sparks> I'm working on an internal-to-Red-Hat certification process for people in Product Security.  I'm thinking about extending it into the Fedora realm if we're interested.
14:14:54 <d-caf> Is this trust certification or skill certification?
14:15:10 <Sparks> skill
14:15:17 <rsc> How would this look like and how about costs for Fedora people?
14:15:51 <jsmith> Sparks: Definitely interested :-)
14:15:59 <mhayden> nice
14:16:02 <Sparks> rsc: This would be free.
14:16:17 <Sparks> rsc: Except, perhaps, for some of the resources used.
14:16:40 <rsc> Sparks: sounds cool (just asked because Red Hat certifications/trainings are usually expensive)
14:16:43 <Sparks> rsc: I'm trying to make sure that all the resources that I pick are available from the public library system in the US.
14:17:02 <rsc> Sparks: ahh...how does this work in EMEA/APAC then?
14:17:04 <d-caf> If we tie it inot the Apprenticeship program that would be helpful #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Team_Apprenticeship
14:17:18 <d-caf> which I've been putting some stuff together, but haven't added to the wiki yet
14:17:47 <Sparks> rsc: The same, I just can't guarantee free access to books (see the above link).
14:18:12 <Sparks> d-caf: Yes, I'll try to copy over what I've been working on for PS to our wiki.
14:18:17 <Sparks> ...today
14:18:17 <rsc> Sparks: so we talk about online library systems? That would be fine, too.
14:19:15 <Sparks> rsc: One of the texts I use is the "Hacking Exposed" book.  Very good resource but I can't guarantee that it'll be available in all public libraries.
14:19:24 <Sparks> rsc: Applied Cryptography is another.
14:19:41 <Sparks> rsc: Perhaps there will be some personal copies that could be shared.
14:19:53 <d-caf> Sparks: rsc: Security Engineering is another good one
14:20:09 <d-caf> and free online pdf's as well (buy the book if you can to support the author..)
14:20:26 <Sparks> d-caf: Can you add that to the page?  I've got so many resources I'm looking at I don't know if that one is on my list, yet.
14:20:33 <d-caf> yes
14:21:07 <d-caf> #link http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/book.html
14:21:21 <d-caf> Can't edit the wiki at the moment, but will add it later
14:21:30 <Sparks> #action Sparks to copy the PS Certification information over to the Fedora wiki for further review
14:21:35 <Sparks> d-caf: Thanks
14:21:45 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else training-related?
14:22:13 <Sparks> #topic Apprenticeship
14:22:21 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Team_Apprenticeship
14:22:34 <Sparks> This really folds into the previous discussion.
14:22:58 <Sparks> I'll try to populate this today and we'll come back to it next time.
14:23:23 <Sparks> #topic Security Team Fedora Activity Day
14:23:33 <d-caf> I'll try and merge my stuff in with yours
14:23:38 <d-caf> on previous topic
14:23:43 <Sparks> d-caf: Thanks
14:24:04 <Sparks> Last time we started talking about a FAD in the Washington DC area...
14:25:03 <Sparks> #link http://whenisgood.net/8fshcdf/results/9czp49s
14:25:04 <d-caf> have 4 people added tothe WhenIsGood
14:25:30 <Sparks> jsmith: I noticed you only added January dates.  Are February and March completely out?
14:25:54 <jsmith> Sparks: Oooh, I didn't know you were looking at February/March
14:26:04 <jsmith> Sparks: I'm open all of February/March, as far as I know.
14:26:19 <jsmith> Sparks: (Unless I get to speak at Devconf in Brno)
14:26:22 <Sparks> jsmith: Okay, could you edit your response, please?
14:26:30 <jsmith> Sparks: If I can find the link...
14:26:59 * Sparks points up
14:27:33 <d-caf> Somewhat related to this is there anyone else going to ShmooCon, specially out of town folk, that would make it convienit to schedule a FAD around that time?
14:27:48 <Sparks> d-caf: Could.  When is it again?
14:27:52 <jsmith> Sparks: Done...
14:27:53 * Sparks did not get tickets
14:28:05 <d-caf> Jan 15-17
14:28:09 * jsmith did not get tickets either
14:28:31 <Sparks> d-caf: Appears that we're not all available around then.
14:28:48 <d-caf> Well, there is the 18th
14:29:18 <Sparks> #info Sparks is looking into a videoteleconferencing option for the event to accomidate distance folks.
14:29:46 <Sparks> d-caf: True, although I'm wondering if we'd want to meet for a couple of days.  Maybe not...
14:30:06 <Astradeus> Sparks: yey :)
14:30:10 <Sparks> jsmith: Are Tuesdays out?  Hard stop?
14:30:34 <jsmith> Sparks: No, but most of my ${DAYJOB} meetings are on Tuesdays, so I'd likely be distracted
14:30:38 <Sparks> Astradeus: We used BlueJeans for the Docs FAD we had a few years ago and that seemed to work well.
14:30:45 <jsmith> Sparks: Of course, if I change jobs, all bets are off...
14:30:50 <d-caf> I tend to have a lot of meetings Monday/Tuesday, but sometimes can get out of them
14:31:04 * jsmith will do his best to be flexible
14:31:10 <Sparks> jsmith: Ditto.  I'd have to cancel a bunch of stuff to be available on a Tuesday
14:32:28 <Sparks> Okay, we'll continue to work on this and there will be discussion on the list.
14:32:47 <Sparks> #topic Open floor discussion/questions/comments
14:33:18 <Sparks> Next week's meeting falls on Christmas Eve.  I suspect many of us will be off work or otherwise detained.  Cancel?
14:34:41 <Astradeus> guess so. i'll be around though if a meeting comes up :)
14:34:43 <d-caf> I will likely miss the meeting
14:36:20 <jsmith> +1 to cancel
14:36:46 <Sparks> #agreed Next week's meeting will be cancelled.
14:36:53 <Sparks> Does anyone have anything else?
14:37:18 <mhayden> not i
14:37:30 <d-caf> one thing
14:37:46 <d-caf> I may have access to a few Shmoocon tickets
14:38:03 <jsmith> d-caf: OK, please let us know if you do
14:38:03 <d-caf> Who would be interested if I get them?  Would be at cost
14:38:15 <Sparks> d-caf: What's the cost?
14:38:28 <jsmith> Depends on the cost...
14:38:29 <d-caf> Shmoocon charges $150 per ticket
14:38:59 <d-caf> #link http://shmoocon.org/general-information/
14:39:58 <Sparks> d-caf: I might be able to swing that.  I can't be certain right now, though.
14:40:20 <jsmith> Yeah, I'm on the fence too... but let me know if you can get tickets, and I"ll make a quick decision
14:40:21 <d-caf> Not talking about a lot of tickets, at most 2 or 3 (not counting mine)
14:41:24 <Sparks> okay
14:41:58 <d-caf> so Sparks and jsmith are interested
14:44:07 <Sparks> d-caf: You might contact zoglesby as he might be interested as well
14:44:23 <Sparks> Okay, anyone have anything else?
14:44:37 <d-caf> Sparks: I'll reach out to him
14:44:44 <d-caf> him/her
14:44:51 <d-caf> whom
14:44:53 <d-caf> :-)
14:44:54 <Sparks> Him... Zach
14:46:37 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
14:49:10 <Sparks> Hearing none... We'll go ahead and close the meeting for today.
14:51:04 <Sparks> Thanks, everyone, for coming out today!
14:51:08 <Sparks> #endmeeting