14:02:59 <alebastr[m]> #startmeeting Fedora Sway SIG (2022-09-21) 14:02:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 21 14:02:59 2022 UTC. 14:02:59 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:02:59 <zodbot> The chair is alebastr[m]. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 14:03:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:03:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_sway_sig_(2022-09-21)' 14:03:16 <alebastr[m]> .hello alebastr 14:03:17 <zodbot> alebastr[m]: alebastr 'Aleksei Bavshin' <alebastr89@gmail.com> 14:03:35 <jkonecny[m]> .hello jkonecny 14:03:36 <zodbot> jkonecny[m]: jkonecny 'Jiří Konečný' <jkonecny@redhat.com> 14:03:58 <jkonecny[m]> and hi to everyone else 🙂 14:04:06 <anthr76[m]> .hello anthr76 14:04:07 <zodbot> anthr76[m]: anthr76 'Anthony Rabbito' <hello@anthonyrabbito.com> 14:06:38 <alebastr[m]> I guess Fale is not here today :) 14:07:15 <alebastr[m]> #topic Planning 14:08:12 <alebastr[m]> let's fill the issue tracker to make sure people always have tasks to grab :) 14:10:53 <alebastr[m]> I wanted to suggest figuring out the consistent theming, but then... GTK4, GTK4+libadwaita, GTK3, Qt6, Qt5, a dozen more toolkits. And none of those could be visually compatible with the other ones. 14:11:34 <alebastr[m]> it's not solved even for workstation 14:12:06 <anthr76[m]> Agreed,I've been lacking on issues. 14:12:49 <anthr76[m]> I don't have a great eye for themeing, but perhaps we can borrow some ideas from i3? 14:13:23 <alebastr[m]> I don't think they do anything in regards to that. Which is fine 14:14:00 <anthr76[m]> I did some lurking not so long ago they seemed to follow of convention of using blue for Fedora which I liked. This was in specific to i3. Are you looking to having themes for possibly at least the major desktop toolkits? 14:14:33 <jkonecny[m]> We can start with sharing our configuration and just decide on what we like the most for the significant parts (like dunst) 14:15:34 * jkonecny[m] uploaded an image: (6KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/fedora.im/8331c6bdd07898cc3306d65f6b71547a82f508dd/2022-09-21T16%3A15%3A15%2C640550202%2B02%3A00.png > 14:16:10 <jkonecny[m]> this is mine 14:16:12 <alebastr[m]> I'm hesitant about blue. What I saw in i3 is panel and borders being significantly different from the window content 14:16:41 <jkonecny[m]> but in general - having an issue in GitLab where we would share our configurations could lead to something 14:16:50 <alebastr[m]> well, pristine sway config doesn't do much better. just a different shade of blue 14:17:56 <alebastr[m]> and btw, i3 sig worked with design sig to get their colorscheme 14:19:13 <anthr76[m]> ah interesting :) 14:19:33 <alebastr[m]> so if we don't feel like pro designers, there's that option. but I haven't considered custom dunst theme so far 14:19:48 <anthr76[m]> I do agree a level of consistency is good 14:20:20 <jkonecny[m]> yes, I was thinking about asking designers around Fedora 14:24:06 <alebastr[m]> The least we can do is to apply qt adwaita theme and do something about waybar style 14:24:29 <anthr76[m]> Agreed 14:24:45 <anthr76[m]> waybar stock config/theme is quite rough around the edges 14:26:39 <jkonecny[m]> honestly, I think we should first create a list of what needs theming and create our own first version 14:26:47 <jkonecny[m]> then ask for help the designers 14:27:45 <anthr76[m]> I'm not opposed. Seems like a tall order to me (off the top of my head) to think of what needs attention and what should be prioritized 14:32:42 <alebastr[m]> ok, so I'll file a general visual style discussion, a ticket for waybar config and stop at that right now 14:32:59 <alebastr[m]> maybe we'll also want to figure out how much we need to customize by default :) 14:34:38 <alebastr[m]> i.e. finding a way to apply Qt/GTK3 themes is nice but do people expect that from us by default? should we ship a settings utility instead? 14:35:03 * alebastr[m] looks at <https://github.com/nwg-piotr/nwg-look> 14:38:31 <anthr76[m]> alebastr[m]: > do people expect that from us by default? 14:38:31 <anthr76[m]> I generally consider it a really nice to have especially showcasing a “fully baked product”, but I must imagine it’s time consuming and there’s possibly? Bigger items to focus on first. 14:38:32 <anthr76[m]> It is something however releasing with the sig instead of adding later is a nice to have as well for the good first impression 14:44:32 <alebastr[m]> ok. let's not block on one topic. I'll finish processing that into an issue text later 14:45:44 <alebastr[m]> Any suggestions for a higher priority tasks? 14:46:11 <pxl_sg[m]> how about the default apps (file manager, audio mixer, ...) 14:49:15 <alebastr[m]> yep, it seems a good idea to ask someone to do a research on that. I mean with trying various options and preparing a write up with pros/cons/general impressions. 14:51:12 <alebastr[m]> I'd say we should do that for all the software, but then we'll never be able to finish :) 14:52:54 <pxl_sg[m]> are there candidates to vote for? 14:53:14 <anthr76[m]> pxl_sg[m]: https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/sway/SIG/-/issues/1 14:53:33 <anthr76[m]> I think that issue is our general basis 14:53:38 <alebastr[m]> AFAIK, nobody did a serious analysis on the individual list items :) 14:54:47 <alebastr[m]> so we can pick a template (pros/cons/impressions/what we can do to improve the software) and make it a weekly or bi-weekly task - someone picks an item from the list and does the research 14:55:18 <anthr76[m]> Sure 14:55:54 <anthr76[m]> Overall I think we're pretty solid with software list. It may be able to be improved but it's workable at this stage 14:57:14 <alebastr[m]> ok, so who is going to take the file managers topic and do that to provide an example? :) 14:57:53 <anthr76[m]> I can if no one would like it more then me 14:58:01 <anthr76[m]> s/like/likes/ 15:01:13 <alebastr[m]> #action anthr76 to review options for file managers and provide a doc by the next meeting 15:02:59 <alebastr[m]> thanks for agreeing to take that. I was really struggling to come up with a way to move forward software selection ticket without making arbitrary choices. 15:03:38 <anthr76[m]> It is quite tough, but I think this is a good plan 15:06:08 <alebastr[m]> anthr76: by the way, have you seen https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree/ci-test/-/blob/main/justfile? I'd love to see it merged as it gives us a template for CI with installer images and stuff 15:07:54 <anthr76[m]> I have not. That is interesting 15:08:19 <jkonecny[m]> interesting 15:08:37 <anthr76[m]> Has workstation-ostree-config moved from pagure? 15:08:54 <anthr76[m]> So you would like a similar "justfile" alebastr ? 15:10:12 <alebastr[m]> anthr76[m]: Not yet, but it's being considered. You can ping Timothée for the status. 15:11:16 <alebastr[m]> anthr76: if it's done in the main repo, we'll just need to add Sericea to the list of variants in the justfile 15:12:29 <anthr76[m]> This is the good stuff :) https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree/ci-test/-/blob/main/justfile#L192-305 15:13:12 <anthr76[m]> Sounds good though I will get with him this week. Happy to see some modern devops-y adoption to that process and adopting ostree-native-containers 15:13:26 <anthr76[m]> Never heard of just but seems like a decent tool 15:13:50 <anthr76[m]> Is there a conversation being had about https://gitlab.com/fedora/ostree somewhere? 15:14:20 <alebastr[m]> https://github.com/fedora-silverblue/issue-tracker/issues/334 15:15:34 <anthr76[m]> Thanks 15:16:48 <anthr76[m]> It looks like https://github.com/nwg-piotr/nwg-look `github.com/visualfc/*` will need to packaged if we want to package nwg-look, but doesn't look too bad FWIW 15:21:24 * alebastr[m] looks at the time 15:24:18 <alebastr[m]> I'm not doing this efficiently enough :( 15:24:18 <alebastr[m]> So I have to suggest to make a brainstorming part continue outside of the meeting slot. Feel free to suggest important action items after the meeting or file directly to the task tracker. 15:24:55 <anthr76[m]> It does go by quite quick. 15:25:35 <anthr76[m]> There was some things I wanted to bring up but my mind is slipping me. waybar config and themeing was one so that was at least covered 15:25:38 <anthr76[m]> Will do though 15:25:51 * anthr76[m] impatiently waits for a new rofi-wayland release 15:27:29 <alebastr[m]> ah. I need to try an improvement for the icon lookup suggested in the comments. and see if I can fix or at least identify a couple of wayland-specific issues I noticed 15:29:04 <alebastr[m]> wanted to do that last week but spent most of the week feeling ill after the booster shot :( 15:29:18 <anthr76[m]> I was quite the same way 15:33:11 <alebastr[m]> #action everyone to suggest tasks they consider important, either in chat or in the issue tracker directly 15:34:10 <alebastr[m]> #topic Open Floor 15:34:57 <alebastr[m]> we've been doing open discussion for last 30 minutes, but I'll still have to ask: anyone have anything important or interesting to discuss? 15:35:38 <anthr76[m]> I haven't figured out what is at fault yet with screen sharing with chrome on Fedora 37. Firefox still works 15:36:15 <anthr76[m]> alebastr[m]: We possible should set some deadlines for ourselves this week to not let Fedora 38 slip past? 15:37:13 <alebastr[m]> milestones for preview builds and for submitting the change? 15:37:25 <anthr76[m]> Yes 15:37:34 <alebastr[m]> s/preview builds/call for public testing of preview builds/ 15:38:08 <anthr76[m]> yep submission of kickstart/ostree and sway-config-fedora 15:38:40 <anthr76[m]> I want to write a bit more context about sway-config-fedora in the spin change proposal 15:43:50 * alebastr[m] looks at the draft doc and wishes for another 8 hours in a day 15:44:05 <anthr76[m]> :D 15:44:08 <Fale[m]> what's the best way to collaborate to the change proposal? 15:44:55 <anthr76[m]> I think it should be editable directly? 15:45:18 <anthr76[m]> If not suggestions are welcome on how to deal with it in a user friendly manner 15:45:29 <Fale[m]> yes, should we inline change or do we want to go through a PR-kind of approach? 15:46:26 <anthr76[m]> I think in this state and in-line change with awareness of the change is sufficient to not over complicate things. Though I’m open to ideas 15:46:44 <Fale[m]> oki, I'll work that way then :-) 15:47:15 <anthr76[m]> Thanks :) 15:47:28 <Fale[m]> thank you 15:51:26 <alebastr[m]> I set the change proposal milestone due date to 2 months before the deadline. But we can move it as necessary. 15:53:37 <anthr76[m]> Sounds good. 15:56:24 <jkonecny[m]> sorry for not being so active today. I have my daughter back after 2 weeks so I have my attention elsewhere 16:00:44 <alebastr[m]> that is fine. I think we agreed to continue planning stuff outside of the meeting, because all the good ideas come up way after you needed these :) 16:01:08 <alebastr[m]> so I'm going to close the meeting in 1 min. 16:04:24 <alebastr[m]> #endmeeting