15:41:23 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Tour
15:41:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May  8 15:41:23 2012 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:41:31 <FranciscoD> #meetingname Fedora Tour May 8 2012
15:41:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_tour_may_8_2012'
15:41:37 <FranciscoD> #topic init process
15:41:52 * FranciscoD is Ankur Sinha, FAS: ankursinha
15:41:57 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
15:41:59 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
15:42:06 <praveenkumar> .fas kumarpraveen
15:42:06 <MavJS> .fas MavJS
15:42:07 <zodbot> praveenkumar: kumarpraveen '' <kumarpraveen.nitdgp@gmail.com>
15:42:11 <zodbot> MavJS: mavjs 'Ye Myat Kaung' <mavjs01@gmail.com>
15:42:30 <kishan> .fas kishan
15:42:31 <zodbot> kishan: kishanpant 'Kishan Datt Pant' <kishanpant@gmail.com> - harikishan 'harikishan mitharwal' <harikishan.mitharwal@yahoo.com> - lakkoju 'Harikishan' <hari.lakkoju@gmail.com> - kishan 'Kishan Goyal' <fabhoneydew@gmail.com>
15:42:34 <FranciscoD> .fas Subfusc
15:42:36 <zodbot> FranciscoD: subfusc 'Sindre Wetjen' <sindre.w@gmail.com>
15:42:46 <FranciscoD> rghose: ping ping ping
15:42:54 * FranciscoD waits a minute for rghose
15:44:03 <FranciscoD> hrm
15:44:15 <FranciscoD> question: didn't everyone get the mail pahnin sent? about the tasks?
15:44:23 * FranciscoD cant find it on the archives page
15:44:26 <thunderbirdtr> I have
15:44:37 <thunderbirdtr> I'm sending your mail
15:45:06 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: i have it, i cant find it on the archives :/
15:45:10 * FranciscoD goes to recheck
15:45:22 <thunderbirdtr> ok
15:45:30 <FranciscoD> ah, there it is
15:45:32 <FranciscoD> alright
15:45:38 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks
15:45:43 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/fedora-tour/2012-May/000063.html
15:45:49 <FranciscoD> Please read the list folks
15:46:42 <FranciscoD> #info Task 1. making thumbnail screen shots for navigation pane
15:46:59 <FranciscoD> #info Task 2. making html based top panel and activity overlay layouts
15:47:08 <FranciscoD> #info Task 3. javascript based tags / labels
15:47:18 <FranciscoD> #info Task 4. javascript to control the slideshow
15:47:30 <FranciscoD> okay, who can do task 1?
15:47:31 <FranciscoD> :P
15:47:37 * FranciscoD volunteers
15:47:45 <praveenkumar> FranciscoD, me :)
15:47:47 <FranciscoD> we need screenshots for various DEs
15:47:56 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: what DE will you take?
15:48:01 * FranciscoD can take Gnome
15:48:09 <FranciscoD> anyone here using stuff other than gnome on F17?
15:48:10 <thunderbirdtr> XFCE  I can
15:48:15 <FranciscoD> great
15:48:18 <FranciscoD> anyone for KDE?
15:48:20 <MavJS> I'll take LXDE ;)
15:48:25 <FranciscoD> woah!
15:48:25 <praveenkumar> FranciscoD, using gnome only.
15:48:32 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: we can share gnome then, np :
15:48:37 <praveenkumar> ok
15:48:39 <FranciscoD> I'll take KDE then
15:48:49 <praveenkumar> great ..
15:48:51 <FranciscoD> #action thunderbirdtr screenshots for XFCE
15:48:56 <kishan> I'll have to install, but I can take KDE..
15:49:01 <FranciscoD> #action MavJS screenshots for LXDE
15:49:04 <FranciscoD> kishan: even a livecd will do
15:49:10 <FranciscoD> one of the latest though
15:49:18 <FranciscoD> since we want to keep the tour as close to 17 as possible
15:49:28 <kishan> FranciscoD: will download and get it done over the weekend :) shouldn't be a problem
15:49:54 <thunderbirdtr> I have to wait then
15:50:02 <thunderbirdtr> XFCE was release new version
15:50:10 <thunderbirdtr> and too many new tools has come
15:50:14 <MavJS> can you explain abit about the screenshot? Do we just take the desktop? or with some major softwares each shot?
15:50:19 <FranciscoD> #action praveenkumar screenshots for Gnome
15:50:20 <thunderbirdtr> MavJS, +1
15:50:26 <FranciscoD> #action kishan screenshots for KDE
15:50:31 <FranciscoD> MavJS: coming to it :P
15:50:40 <MavJS> FranciscoD: ah..ok ;D
15:50:43 <FranciscoD> #topic What to take a screenshot of?
15:51:03 <FranciscoD> lets look at the mock ups: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora-tour/Mock-ups
15:51:25 <thunderbirdtr> !
15:51:27 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: go
15:51:33 <thunderbirdtr> For background
15:51:44 <thunderbirdtr> Why don't we use full screen on this part
15:51:56 <thunderbirdtr> or Fedora release wallpaper
15:52:21 <thunderbirdtr> we can show tips inside side
15:52:30 <thunderbirdtr> suchs cloud tips , etc.
15:52:31 <thunderbirdtr> eof
15:53:02 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: can you clarify that? how about a dirty mockup to explain what you're saying?
15:53:13 <thunderbirdtr> sorry
15:53:17 <thunderbirdtr> I mean
15:53:28 <thunderbirdtr> We can show DE pictures
15:53:31 <thunderbirdtr> on tour
15:53:38 <thunderbirdtr> and also
15:53:49 <thunderbirdtr> navigation bar
15:53:55 <thunderbirdtr> for main part
15:54:01 <thunderbirdtr> Don't use background
15:54:14 <thunderbirdtr> fit picture to whole screen
15:54:23 <thunderbirdtr> and  show tips inside
15:54:40 <thunderbirdtr> We don't need to use background
15:55:05 <thunderbirdtr> just Picture and navigation bar
15:55:15 <thunderbirdtr> and headline If we use ..
15:55:16 <thunderbirdtr> eof
15:55:22 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: tips inside on top of the image will come in the way of clarity IMO
15:55:40 <FranciscoD> anyone else has anything to say about thunderbirdtr's idea?
15:56:02 <thunderbirdtr> !
15:57:11 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: go
15:57:11 <praveenkumar> !
15:57:19 <thunderbirdtr> In time we can also use almost full DE experince tour for each DEs this will be huge but gonna be better I think ,
15:57:20 <thunderbirdtr> eof
15:57:27 <FranciscoD> praveenkumar: go
15:57:34 <FranciscoD> !
15:57:37 <praveenkumar> we can use fedora release wallpaper as background for main location.
15:57:39 <praveenkumar> eof
15:58:06 <FranciscoD> FranciscoD: go
15:58:11 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: we intend to have tours for all DEs :)
15:58:20 <thunderbirdtr> +1
15:58:32 <thunderbirdtr> short thing
15:58:33 <FranciscoD> since the code is going to be mostly same, with only images being different, we'll have time IMO
15:58:44 <thunderbirdtr> We can categorize for each one in bar
15:58:46 <FranciscoD> okay, we were discussing what screenshots to take
15:58:56 <FranciscoD> MavJS: basically, this is the thought stream:
15:59:07 * MavJS listens...
15:59:11 <FranciscoD> 1. you are a new user who has just booted the live cd for $DE
15:59:39 <FranciscoD> 2. when the first screen comes up and shows your default desktop, what is around it?
15:59:45 <FranciscoD> so, for instance, on gnome, we have:
15:59:49 <FranciscoD> 1. activity corner
15:59:52 <FranciscoD> 2. network applet
15:59:56 <FranciscoD> 3. volume applet
16:00:00 <FranciscoD> 4. user corner
16:00:04 <FranciscoD> 5. notification area
16:00:10 <FranciscoD> 6. accessibility applet
16:00:15 <FranciscoD> 7. blue tooth applet
16:00:21 <FranciscoD> 8. power applet
16:00:33 <FranciscoD> 9. top panel with date and time
16:00:42 <FranciscoD> so, the screenshot would be of a clean, default desktop
16:00:56 <FranciscoD> and we'd use the pointers, as shown in the mock up to point to these 9 objects
16:01:09 <MavJS> ok.
16:01:16 <FranciscoD> then, for instance, clicking the network applet will pull down a menu
16:01:22 <FranciscoD> we can show a screenshot of that too
16:01:44 <FranciscoD> when the user clicks our 'pointer', we'll pop up this 'pull down' and explain what functionality the network applet provides
16:01:46 <praveenkumar> ok
16:01:51 * FranciscoD waits for any queries
16:01:54 <thunderbirdtr> shutter  we gonna need it :)
16:02:04 <MavJS> thunderbirdtr: +100000000 ;D
16:02:25 <MavJS> ok. got it. sounds awesome! :D
16:02:33 <FranciscoD> :D
16:02:39 <thunderbirdtr> thanks :)
16:02:39 <FranciscoD> Things to keep in mind:
16:02:43 <FranciscoD> 1. use a default desktop
16:02:43 <thunderbirdtr> make info
16:02:44 <thunderbirdtr> please
16:02:49 <FranciscoD> 2. CLEAN desktop
16:02:55 <FranciscoD> no extensions, no other packages
16:02:59 <FranciscoD> just what the livecds give
16:03:10 <FranciscoD> 3. Focus on necessaries
16:03:14 <FranciscoD> #info 1. use a default desktop
16:03:17 <FranciscoD> #info 2. CLEAN desktop
16:03:20 <FranciscoD> #info 3. Focus on necessaries
16:03:28 <FranciscoD> #info 3a. Network
16:03:37 <FranciscoD> #info 3b. Main menu
16:03:45 <FranciscoD> #info 3c. accesibility
16:03:51 <FranciscoD> #info 3d. Configurations
16:03:53 <FranciscoD> etc
16:03:58 <FranciscoD> I hope you get the drift?
16:04:05 <MavJS> got it.
16:04:10 <FranciscoD> Try to think of yourselves as a *first* time fedora user
16:04:18 <FranciscoD> someone who used winblows till now ;)
16:04:29 <thunderbirdtr> yuck :)
16:04:34 <praveenkumar> :)
16:04:35 <MavJS> XD
16:05:37 <FranciscoD> alright, I think this is our first milestone then
16:05:46 <thunderbirdtr> !
16:05:53 <FranciscoD> once we have the raw material, we'll start with code
16:05:54 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: go
16:06:05 <thunderbirdtr> picture sizes ? for all ? (1024x768 or more )
16:06:17 <thunderbirdtr> We don't have same monitor
16:06:19 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: yeah, i was thinking about that
16:06:28 <FranciscoD> i think a 1024x768 should be okay
16:06:30 <thunderbirdtr> we need to set common
16:06:33 <thunderbirdtr> good
16:06:33 <FranciscoD> aye
16:06:46 <MavJS> +1 on 1024x768
16:07:03 <kishan_> +1
16:07:07 <praveenkumar> +1
16:07:09 <thunderbirdtr> +1
16:07:18 <FranciscoD> okay, so when can everyone have this done by?
16:07:27 * FranciscoD wants to set a date for submission ;)
16:07:34 <FranciscoD> is a week enough?
16:07:37 <MavJS> 21, after FUDCon XD
16:07:39 <FranciscoD> till next tuesday? same time?
16:07:43 <FranciscoD> MavJS: lol
16:07:47 <thunderbirdtr> until sunday for me
16:07:52 <thunderbirdtr> this week
16:08:05 <FranciscoD> MavJS: btw, i'm going to talk about the tour at the FUDCOn and try and recruit some new folks ;)
16:08:17 <MavJS> FranciscoD: +1 :D
16:08:32 <FranciscoD> okay, lets keep next tuesday as a soft deadline then
16:08:32 <kishan> ah.. FranciscoD MavJS praveenkumar all you folks going to FUDCon? :/
16:08:33 <thunderbirdtr> FranciscoD, ? this pictures from F16 or F17 =
16:08:34 <thunderbirdtr> ?
16:08:38 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: f17
16:08:40 <kishan> F17
16:08:42 <FranciscoD> nightlies if possible
16:08:51 <FranciscoD> the *latest* you can get your hands on
16:08:53 <MavJS> ok.
16:08:55 <thunderbirdtr> ohh
16:08:59 <thunderbirdtr> ok
16:09:11 <FranciscoD> #info Images from latest builds of livecds
16:09:42 <thunderbirdtr> TC2 I think
16:10:00 <FranciscoD> tc3 came out already iirc
16:10:04 <FranciscoD> we'll check it out
16:10:09 <thunderbirdtr> ok
16:10:24 <FranciscoD> #info soft deadline for image submission Tue 15 May 2012
16:10:31 <FranciscoD> #info Image size 1027x768
16:10:36 <thunderbirdtr> 1024...
16:10:40 <FranciscoD> whoops
16:10:44 <FranciscoD> #undo
16:10:44 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x2598f710>
16:10:49 <FranciscoD> #info Image size 1024x768
16:10:57 <thunderbirdtr> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA | Fedora 17 Final Test Compose 3 (TC3)
16:10:59 <thunderbirdtr> right
16:11:12 <FranciscoD> another thing I wanted to discuss: We havent talked to the fedora websites team about the tour yet
16:11:24 <FranciscoD> I think it would be a good idea to at least make them aware of whats going on
16:11:28 <FranciscoD> ?
16:11:28 <FranciscoD> what say folks?
16:11:35 <kishan> yes
16:11:41 <FranciscoD> does any one do any work with them? and would like to take this up?
16:11:51 <kishan> they could pitch in with some handy suggestions IMO
16:12:17 <MavJS> +1
16:12:37 <FranciscoD> who here is without tasks today? :P
16:12:45 <MavJS> no one ;)
16:12:57 <praveenkumar> FranciscoD, Subfusc :)
16:13:04 <MavJS> hehe
16:13:11 <FranciscoD> he's lazy
16:13:15 <FranciscoD> let him do his lisp :P
16:13:19 <FranciscoD> i forgot an action item though!
16:13:26 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD screenshots for KDE
16:13:43 <FranciscoD> I also think we should talk to the differnt DE sigs
16:13:55 <FranciscoD> and ask them what features they want highlighted?
16:13:56 <thunderbirdtr> about ?
16:14:01 <thunderbirdtr> ok
16:14:05 <FranciscoD> keep them in the loop
16:14:11 <FranciscoD> its a huge project, with 5-6 DEs
16:14:13 <praveenkumar> +1
16:14:22 <MavJS> +1, yup.
16:14:23 <FranciscoD> so, keeping the sigs in the loop would be good IMO
16:14:26 <thunderbirdtr> what about SPINS ?
16:14:50 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: all the spins have one DE or another, so we're covering them mostly
16:15:04 <FranciscoD> but at present, we dont have the time to do a Games spin and an FEL spin
16:15:14 <FranciscoD> they're for advanced users generally, noobs dont go for them
16:15:18 <thunderbirdtr> ok for now keep pure DE
16:15:25 <FranciscoD> noobs go for stuff like desktop spin and kde and lxde etc
16:15:26 <FranciscoD> aye
16:16:13 <FranciscoD> #action Everyone join the various sig mailing lists and "announce" the project with some info
16:16:30 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD talk to websites sig
16:16:35 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor
16:16:41 <FranciscoD> okay, any concerns? :P
16:16:55 <thunderbirdtr> :) all yours :)
16:17:26 <FranciscoD> should we close then?
16:17:33 <MavJS> FranciscoD: about the deadline, I'll be away from 14-17 so might delay my parts of the screenshots. just letting you know.
16:17:33 <FranciscoD> you folks have 10 seconds to stop me :P
16:17:33 <kishan> yes
16:17:39 <FranciscoD> MavJS: no issues :)
16:17:47 * kishan is hungry :(
16:17:47 <FranciscoD> we'll begin work on the other parts until then
16:17:58 <thunderbirdtr> FranciscoD,
16:18:01 <FranciscoD> like i said, the code will be similar for most tours, so images can be added later
16:18:04 <thunderbirdtr> about time
16:18:05 <MavJS> FranciscoD: likely I'll pass them on 17 or 18 XD
16:18:11 <thunderbirdtr> please make 15:40 UTC
16:18:13 <FranciscoD> MavJS: sure thing
16:18:20 <MavJS> AWESOME!! \o/
16:18:20 <FranciscoD> thunderbirdtr: lol,
16:18:22 <FranciscoD> okay,
16:18:26 <FranciscoD> how's 1600 for the new time?
16:18:44 <thunderbirdtr> sound perfect for me not need it
16:18:45 <kishan> much better :)
16:19:11 <FranciscoD> #agreed new meeting time will be 1600 UTC
16:19:14 <FranciscoD> oh, the count
16:19:16 <FranciscoD> 5
16:19:18 <FranciscoD> :P
16:19:18 <FranciscoD> 4
16:19:19 <thunderbirdtr> thanks
16:19:21 <FranciscoD> 3
16:19:22 <thunderbirdtr> 1
16:19:23 <FranciscoD> 2
16:19:26 <FranciscoD> :O
16:19:30 <FranciscoD> 0.451135
16:19:34 <FranciscoD> 0.0001
16:19:38 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting