14:09:26 <decause> #startmeeting FedoraDocsFAD2016
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14:09:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedoradocsfad2016'
14:09:32 <decause> #topic Agenda
14:09:41 <decause> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedoradocsfad2016
14:09:55 <decause> #topic Content Services Tooling/Planning with dsilas
14:14:24 * stickster notes that AsciiDoctor == AsciiDoc for all intents and purposes
14:15:45 * jflory7 waves towards Raleigh
14:36:41 <linuxmodder> decause,  blue  link pls
14:37:43 <decause> linuxmodder: setting up now
14:37:47 <stickster> linuxmodder: see wiki page for the FAD
14:38:22 <decause> linuxmodder: http://redhat.bluejeans.com/pfrields
14:38:32 <decause> connecting shortly
14:38:48 <decause> linuxmodder: ok
14:38:49 <decause> join
14:39:01 <linuxmodder> btw  someone needs to  seriously  audit  install-guide more often it has WAY too much duplication
14:39:15 <decause> we're waiting on you to join
14:39:18 <decause> linuxmodder:
14:40:14 <randomuser> sometimes duplication is ok
14:40:28 <decause> linuxmodder: are you in?
14:41:16 <linuxmodder> should see me there
14:44:23 <linuxmodder> plugin was being funny in ff
14:45:41 <linuxmodder> can hear everyone but its  mad  echo chamber  ish
14:47:56 <decause> will get mics muted linuxmodder
14:48:22 <decause> linuxmodder: all mics are muted alredy
14:48:27 <decause> not sure what the echo is about then
14:48:35 * stickster checks in console
14:48:45 <Evolution> some of the discussion around the centos bits worked up last year
14:48:46 <Evolution> https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-docs/2015-May/005647.html
14:48:54 <Evolution> trying to find what code was actually done
14:48:58 <linuxmodder> likely jus t room acoustics then
14:52:27 <Evolution> https://github.com/kunaaljain/test-centos-docs
14:52:52 <decause> Evolution: nice
14:52:53 <decause> thanks
15:25:39 <linuxmodder> okay ANYONE see a reason to both  link to and have a example in a  install-guide sub file?
15:26:06 <c0mrad3> zoglesby: yes is the bluejeans link up ?
15:26:11 <linuxmodder> its literally another  nearly 70 lines in an already too long  ref doc
15:26:28 <linuxmodder> c0mrad3,  yup http://redhat.bluejeans.com/pfrields
15:26:46 * c0mrad3 will be there in few min
15:38:40 * c0mrad3 my bandwidth is very less and I cann't hear properly!
15:39:58 * quaid joins in from the parking lot at CSUMB
15:41:53 <quaid> c0mrad3: if you can dial in over a phone for audio, that usually works pretty well
15:41:58 <quaid> or SIP directly
15:42:35 <quaid> heh, people love a large repo
15:43:34 <linuxmodder> quaid,   if its warranted  this is  not  tho imo
15:43:51 <linuxmodder> one or the other the file (one file ) is  4k lines  long
15:43:53 <quaid> linuxmodder: just laughing that people seemed to "ooh, ahh" at it
15:44:05 <quaid> #link http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedoradocsfad2016
15:53:03 <decause> #chair quaid
15:53:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause quaid
15:53:06 <decause> #chair linuxmodder
15:53:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause linuxmodder quaid
15:53:11 <decause> #chair stickster
15:53:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause linuxmodder quaid stickster
15:53:31 <decause> #topic Anerist Demo
15:54:08 * c0mrad3 will be back
16:02:48 <quaid> decause: do we have pics of the board that Paul is pointing at?
16:03:56 <c0mrad3> quaid++
16:03:56 <zodbot> c0mrad3: Karma for kwade changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:04:30 * quaid is next going to be asking for his FAD badge :D
16:04:51 * c0mrad3 me to quaid
16:05:03 * c0mrad3 s/to/too
16:06:00 <decause> #topic Pintail Demo
16:08:26 <quaid> +1 to darker marker
16:08:42 <c0mrad3> darker marker
16:09:35 <quaid> left side of the board is more visible
16:09:42 * quaid listens :)
16:09:47 <quaid> ah, that I can read
16:11:21 <quaid> impressive zoom :D
16:13:43 <quaid> looks good on screen share, thanks
16:13:52 <quaid> appreciate the care for the remotees :)
16:14:56 <quaid> my daughter is in taking a math placement test, which is why I'm chilling in the parking lot at Cal State Monterey Bay :)
16:33:50 <decause> #link https://www.jimmyjohns.com/download/jj_menu_no_prices.pdf
16:33:56 <decause> lunch menu
16:34:07 <decause> quaid: :)
16:35:56 <c0mrad3> looks like we have a fedora issue in Shaun system
16:40:02 <quaid> heh, been loving the errors
16:40:21 <quaid> I hear the workflow description; just like what the CentOS GSoC docs toolchain did last summer
16:41:01 <quaid> it's at the point where people are scared because it looks scary, the in-flow for contributors has to offer but hide that complexity
16:42:09 <quaid> the button click on a website to edit needs to 'know' what is the branch of origin, so as to hide that from the user
16:42:23 <quaid> i.e., MediaWiki ease, git workflow on the backend
16:44:00 <quaid> stickster: go ahead and zoom the camera back out to see the room when you get a chance
16:44:14 <quaid> decause: don't forget to grab pics of the whiteboards as you go :)
16:46:21 <c0mrad3> quaid: this one https://wiki.centos.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#docs-toolchain ?
17:09:56 <quaid> c0mrad3: yes, but let me look up a results link
17:10:59 <c0mrad3> quaid: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2015/kunaalus/5704837555552256
17:11:07 <randomuser> quaid, i was just saying to zoglesby that 'the button' could check for a FAS cookie and jump to an appropriate link
17:11:25 <randomuser> whether for that user's fork, or to create a new fork, or maybe even the specific file within the repo
17:11:36 <quaid> #link https://github.com/kunaaljain/test-centos-docs
17:11:52 <quaid> c0mrad3: yeah, there were two students who worked on it
17:12:15 <quaid> it connected $git (github or git.centos.org) via Pagure, and setup a queue for reviewers
17:12:29 <quaid> all using a git-like workflow but without going to CLI or having to even know you are using git (that much)
17:12:58 <quaid> randomuser: that's a neat idea
17:13:28 <c0mrad3> quaid: do we have a live instance of this project ?
17:14:40 <quaid> c0mrad3: I didn't follow-up to find a way to make it live; part of that is what Evolution was alluding too, by not having done the political/personal work, I didn't get buy-in for the students' work from the CentOS Docs community; and I didn't have resources I could beg, borrow, steal, or assign to work on it
17:15:33 <quaid> c0mrad3: but I also realized that to some degree, it was a tool a bit ahead of the thinking, in that the vision aligns with what we're discussing today, but the community & leadership thinking was still evolving
17:17:03 <quaid> Evolution: in hindsight, this is why it's crucial you are at this FAD -- you are better for carrying the voice of all of this to the SIGs; the SIGs adopting a tool that aligns with upstream enables CentOS to be a better upstream too; and it avoids all the historical cruft it might carry by associating with me :)
17:17:28 <quaid> heh, as I wrote that I realized the same is true for RH content services -- best to keep my name out of it :)
17:17:31 <Evolution> who doesn't matter. you've got a better docs mindset than I do.
17:17:49 <Evolution> my goal is mostly "get *something* we can point do for docs"
17:18:48 <quaid> totally
17:20:03 <c0mrad3> so we need to tool like http://zanata.org/ but based on git in the back-end, and users need not use the command line to edit it
17:25:21 <quaid> ok, I'm going to now go look at Zanata without prejudice :)
17:27:31 <quaid> I'd figured Zanata did/or could use git on back-end, and yes, like that, like Transifex, like MediaWiki,
17:27:34 <quaid> ...
17:32:56 <quaid> ... meaning, ther are a fair # of examples of UX that make drive-by & semi-regular contributors happy; then the ones that make dedicated contributors happy
17:33:05 <quaid> melding all those on the front-end seems key
17:33:21 <quaid> bakc-end needs to be agnostic on in-take, as much as possible, for a toolchain
17:33:27 <quaid> a project needs to be didactict on in-take
17:33:54 <quaid> and power-users (toolchain creators, maintainers, high-end reviewers) can afford to be a bit more geeky
17:34:04 <quaid> and relaxed is an unstated state-of-mind
17:37:08 <c0mrad3> #link https://github.com/mozilla/kuma
17:39:21 <quaid> thanks, will look in a few hours
17:39:36 <quaid> packing up now to head back to Santa Cruz
17:41:17 <c0mrad3> #info https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ is also a option to look at it satisfies all our needs except for the git part source is at https://github.com/mozilla/kuma
17:45:24 <randomuser> c0mrad3, that was brought up as an example of a wiki that is successful due in large part to having many people working full time on curation
17:48:52 <c0mrad3> randomuser: just mentioning so that the meeting bot can take it in minutes
18:08:36 * c0mrad3 need to sleep bye guys
18:09:33 <decause> c0mrad3++
18:36:11 <kushal> randomuser, Do we have decause with you guys today?
18:42:43 <jflory7> kushal: I know decause is down for the FAD in Raleigh this weekend. Not sure what's going on now.
18:43:05 <kushal> jflory7, They are busy discussing I think.
18:43:08 <kushal> Anyway
18:43:14 * jflory7 nods
18:43:18 <jflory7> Probably.
18:43:24 <kushal> jflory7, I will sleep now, have to wake up in few hours :)
18:44:17 <jflory7> o/
19:00:05 <omiday> hi folks is there anything a late guy at the FAD party can help with?
19:05:17 <randomuser> decause is here, we're currently comparing our requirements established yesterday to prospective implementation descriptions
19:19:31 <randomuser> hello sclark !
19:19:39 * sclark is now lurking on the FAD video stream
19:19:53 <sclark> randomuser: hello
19:40:16 <decause> https://ethercalc.org/txnb0f8lewsz
19:40:23 <decause> #link https://ethercalc.org/txnb0f8lewsz
19:42:56 <randomuser> fyi, i think meetbot puts any cited link into the meeting summary, with or without the #link tag
19:43:52 <linuxmodder> summary not only the log  < #link > is  needed for  summary  unless it got a  recent update I missed
19:47:53 <randomuser> I don't understand your statement, linuxmodder
19:48:47 <linuxmodder> the logs contain all links   but for it to be in the  quick and dirty  'summary'  you need to use #link
19:48:53 <sclark> Is someone going to record the meanings of check, plus and minus in the spreadsheet?
19:56:51 <zoglesby> https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o
19:58:44 <linuxmodder> dumb question: are all the  current  docs  in  fedora-docs gonna be migrated (again) to  that ^ repo ?
19:59:19 <randomuser> no
19:59:43 <linuxmodder> then for those not  in the  b/j  session why the  second  repo?
19:59:49 <randomuser> that's for a pintail site
20:00:10 <linuxmodder> ??
20:38:13 <randomuser> sclark, you're muted!
20:40:15 <sclark> randomuser: I was trying to get off mute but my laptop went all unresponsive. No worries.
20:40:24 * randomuser nods
20:40:38 <randomuser> feel free to speak up/over at any time
20:41:04 * sclark nods too
20:54:05 <sclark> stepheng: thanks for providing a vieew of the whiteboard.
21:00:00 * sclark has to leave now (it's getting late here) but hopes to join you again sometime tomorrow.
21:15:33 * quaid realized today that he has never hear ryanlerch's voice until today.
21:15:36 <quaid> #afteralltheseyears
21:24:35 <quaid> +1 on report out before hackfest
21:25:31 <quaid> decause++
21:25:31 <zodbot> quaid: Karma for decause changed to 45 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:34:05 <quaid> report out is good, I'll be back early tomorrow to pitch in any way I can for hackfest side
21:34:18 <quaid> good FAD!
21:36:13 <quaid> ... still want my badge ... https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/docs-fad-2016
21:36:42 <quaid> badge interface doesn't show who has auth to award, does it?
21:37:27 <randomuser> it doesn't... i'll check
21:38:28 <randomuser> i got you, quaid
21:38:51 * quaid *gasp*
21:38:53 <quaid> thanks randomuser
21:40:08 <quaid> zomg, datanommer is still in the loop
21:53:09 <randomuser> decause, https://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/fedoradocsfad2016-day2-reportout.webm
00:51:56 <nb> quaid, randomuser and I do
00:52:15 <nb> but looks like he already got it
04:20:35 <d0nn1e> info d0nn1e
09:00:32 <c0mrad3> randomuser: waiting for my badge too, fasusername : dhanvi
09:05:01 <c0mrad3> decause++ for doing a local video rather than bluejeans
14:24:18 <zoglesby> https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issues
18:03:38 <randomuser> shaunm, alias check='xmllint --noout --xinclude --postvalid --noent'
18:10:35 <randomuser> hey nb, do you have time for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1334112 ?
18:27:41 <decause> fedoradocsfad2016-day1reportout.webm
21:15:17 <decause> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=1511&preview=1&_ppp=4eed05194c
21:15:19 <decause> shaunm: ^
21:15:26 <decause> randomuser: ^
21:46:20 <decause> #endmeeting