14:09:26 #startmeeting FedoraDocsFAD2016 14:09:26 Meeting started Sat May 7 14:09:26 2016 UTC. The chair is decause. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:09:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:09:26 The meeting name has been set to 'fedoradocsfad2016' 14:09:32 #topic Agenda 14:09:41 http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedoradocsfad2016 14:09:55 #topic Content Services Tooling/Planning with dsilas 14:14:24 * stickster notes that AsciiDoctor == AsciiDoc for all intents and purposes 14:15:45 * jflory7 waves towards Raleigh 14:36:41 decause, blue link pls 14:37:43 linuxmodder: setting up now 14:37:47 linuxmodder: see wiki page for the FAD 14:38:22 linuxmodder: http://redhat.bluejeans.com/pfrields 14:38:32 connecting shortly 14:38:48 linuxmodder: ok 14:38:49 join 14:39:01 btw someone needs to seriously audit install-guide more often it has WAY too much duplication 14:39:15 we're waiting on you to join 14:39:18 linuxmodder: 14:40:14 sometimes duplication is ok 14:40:28 linuxmodder: are you in? 14:41:16 should see me there 14:44:23 plugin was being funny in ff 14:45:41 can hear everyone but its mad echo chamber ish 14:47:56 will get mics muted linuxmodder 14:48:22 linuxmodder: all mics are muted alredy 14:48:27 not sure what the echo is about then 14:48:35 * stickster checks in console 14:48:45 some of the discussion around the centos bits worked up last year 14:48:46 https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-docs/2015-May/005647.html 14:48:54 trying to find what code was actually done 14:48:58 likely jus t room acoustics then 14:52:27 https://github.com/kunaaljain/test-centos-docs 14:52:52 Evolution: nice 14:52:53 thanks 15:25:39 okay ANYONE see a reason to both link to and have a example in a install-guide sub file? 15:26:06 zoglesby: yes is the bluejeans link up ? 15:26:11 its literally another nearly 70 lines in an already too long ref doc 15:26:28 c0mrad3, yup http://redhat.bluejeans.com/pfrields 15:26:46 * c0mrad3 will be there in few min 15:38:40 * c0mrad3 my bandwidth is very less and I cann't hear properly! 15:39:58 * quaid joins in from the parking lot at CSUMB 15:41:53 c0mrad3: if you can dial in over a phone for audio, that usually works pretty well 15:41:58 or SIP directly 15:42:35 heh, people love a large repo 15:43:34 quaid, if its warranted this is not tho imo 15:43:51 one or the other the file (one file ) is 4k lines long 15:43:53 linuxmodder: just laughing that people seemed to "ooh, ahh" at it 15:44:05 #link http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedoradocsfad2016 15:53:03 #chair quaid 15:53:03 Current chairs: decause quaid 15:53:06 #chair linuxmodder 15:53:06 Current chairs: decause linuxmodder quaid 15:53:11 #chair stickster 15:53:11 Current chairs: decause linuxmodder quaid stickster 15:53:31 #topic Anerist Demo 15:54:08 * c0mrad3 will be back 16:02:48 decause: do we have pics of the board that Paul is pointing at? 16:03:56 quaid++ 16:03:56 c0mrad3: Karma for kwade changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:04:30 * quaid is next going to be asking for his FAD badge :D 16:04:51 * c0mrad3 me to quaid 16:05:03 * c0mrad3 s/to/too 16:06:00 #topic Pintail Demo 16:08:26 +1 to darker marker 16:08:42 darker marker 16:09:35 left side of the board is more visible 16:09:42 * quaid listens :) 16:09:47 ah, that I can read 16:11:21 impressive zoom :D 16:13:43 looks good on screen share, thanks 16:13:52 appreciate the care for the remotees :) 16:14:56 my daughter is in taking a math placement test, which is why I'm chilling in the parking lot at Cal State Monterey Bay :) 16:33:50 #link https://www.jimmyjohns.com/download/jj_menu_no_prices.pdf 16:33:56 lunch menu 16:34:07 quaid: :) 16:35:56 looks like we have a fedora issue in Shaun system 16:40:02 heh, been loving the errors 16:40:21 I hear the workflow description; just like what the CentOS GSoC docs toolchain did last summer 16:41:01 it's at the point where people are scared because it looks scary, the in-flow for contributors has to offer but hide that complexity 16:42:09 the button click on a website to edit needs to 'know' what is the branch of origin, so as to hide that from the user 16:42:23 i.e., MediaWiki ease, git workflow on the backend 16:44:00 stickster: go ahead and zoom the camera back out to see the room when you get a chance 16:44:14 decause: don't forget to grab pics of the whiteboards as you go :) 16:46:21 quaid: this one https://wiki.centos.org/GSoC/2015/Ideas#docs-toolchain ? 17:09:56 c0mrad3: yes, but let me look up a results link 17:10:59 quaid: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/details/google/gsoc2015/kunaalus/5704837555552256 17:11:07 quaid, i was just saying to zoglesby that 'the button' could check for a FAS cookie and jump to an appropriate link 17:11:25 whether for that user's fork, or to create a new fork, or maybe even the specific file within the repo 17:11:36 #link https://github.com/kunaaljain/test-centos-docs 17:11:52 c0mrad3: yeah, there were two students who worked on it 17:12:15 it connected $git (github or git.centos.org) via Pagure, and setup a queue for reviewers 17:12:29 all using a git-like workflow but without going to CLI or having to even know you are using git (that much) 17:12:58 randomuser: that's a neat idea 17:13:28 quaid: do we have a live instance of this project ? 17:14:40 c0mrad3: I didn't follow-up to find a way to make it live; part of that is what Evolution was alluding too, by not having done the political/personal work, I didn't get buy-in for the students' work from the CentOS Docs community; and I didn't have resources I could beg, borrow, steal, or assign to work on it 17:15:33 c0mrad3: but I also realized that to some degree, it was a tool a bit ahead of the thinking, in that the vision aligns with what we're discussing today, but the community & leadership thinking was still evolving 17:17:03 Evolution: in hindsight, this is why it's crucial you are at this FAD -- you are better for carrying the voice of all of this to the SIGs; the SIGs adopting a tool that aligns with upstream enables CentOS to be a better upstream too; and it avoids all the historical cruft it might carry by associating with me :) 17:17:28 heh, as I wrote that I realized the same is true for RH content services -- best to keep my name out of it :) 17:17:31 who doesn't matter. you've got a better docs mindset than I do. 17:17:49 my goal is mostly "get *something* we can point do for docs" 17:18:48 totally 17:20:03 so we need to tool like http://zanata.org/ but based on git in the back-end, and users need not use the command line to edit it 17:25:21 ok, I'm going to now go look at Zanata without prejudice :) 17:27:31 I'd figured Zanata did/or could use git on back-end, and yes, like that, like Transifex, like MediaWiki, 17:27:34 ... 17:32:56 ... meaning, ther are a fair # of examples of UX that make drive-by & semi-regular contributors happy; then the ones that make dedicated contributors happy 17:33:05 melding all those on the front-end seems key 17:33:21 bakc-end needs to be agnostic on in-take, as much as possible, for a toolchain 17:33:27 a project needs to be didactict on in-take 17:33:54 and power-users (toolchain creators, maintainers, high-end reviewers) can afford to be a bit more geeky 17:34:04 and relaxed is an unstated state-of-mind 17:37:08 #link https://github.com/mozilla/kuma 17:39:21 thanks, will look in a few hours 17:39:36 packing up now to head back to Santa Cruz 17:41:17 #info https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ is also a option to look at it satisfies all our needs except for the git part source is at https://github.com/mozilla/kuma 17:45:24 c0mrad3, that was brought up as an example of a wiki that is successful due in large part to having many people working full time on curation 17:48:52 randomuser: just mentioning so that the meeting bot can take it in minutes 18:08:36 * c0mrad3 need to sleep bye guys 18:09:33 c0mrad3++ 18:36:11 randomuser, Do we have decause with you guys today? 18:42:43 kushal: I know decause is down for the FAD in Raleigh this weekend. Not sure what's going on now. 18:43:05 jflory7, They are busy discussing I think. 18:43:08 Anyway 18:43:14 * jflory7 nods 18:43:18 Probably. 18:43:24 jflory7, I will sleep now, have to wake up in few hours :) 18:44:17 o/ 19:00:05 hi folks is there anything a late guy at the FAD party can help with? 19:05:17 decause is here, we're currently comparing our requirements established yesterday to prospective implementation descriptions 19:19:31 hello sclark ! 19:19:39 * sclark is now lurking on the FAD video stream 19:19:53 randomuser: hello 19:40:16 https://ethercalc.org/txnb0f8lewsz 19:40:23 #link https://ethercalc.org/txnb0f8lewsz 19:42:56 fyi, i think meetbot puts any cited link into the meeting summary, with or without the #link tag 19:43:52 summary not only the log < #link > is needed for summary unless it got a recent update I missed 19:47:53 I don't understand your statement, linuxmodder 19:48:47 the logs contain all links but for it to be in the quick and dirty 'summary' you need to use #link 19:48:53 Is someone going to record the meanings of check, plus and minus in the spreadsheet? 19:56:51 https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o 19:58:44 dumb question: are all the current docs in fedora-docs gonna be migrated (again) to that ^ repo ? 19:59:19 no 19:59:43 then for those not in the b/j session why the second repo? 19:59:49 that's for a pintail site 20:00:10 ?? 20:38:13 sclark, you're muted! 20:40:15 randomuser: I was trying to get off mute but my laptop went all unresponsive. No worries. 20:40:24 * randomuser nods 20:40:38 feel free to speak up/over at any time 20:41:04 * sclark nods too 20:54:05 stepheng: thanks for providing a vieew of the whiteboard. 21:00:00 * sclark has to leave now (it's getting late here) but hopes to join you again sometime tomorrow. 21:15:33 * quaid realized today that he has never hear ryanlerch's voice until today. 21:15:36 #afteralltheseyears 21:24:35 +1 on report out before hackfest 21:25:31 decause++ 21:25:31 quaid: Karma for decause changed to 45 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:34:05 report out is good, I'll be back early tomorrow to pitch in any way I can for hackfest side 21:34:18 good FAD! 21:36:13 ... still want my badge ... https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/docs-fad-2016 21:36:42 badge interface doesn't show who has auth to award, does it? 21:37:27 it doesn't... i'll check 21:38:28 i got you, quaid 21:38:51 * quaid *gasp* 21:38:53 thanks randomuser 21:40:08 zomg, datanommer is still in the loop 21:53:09 decause, https://fedorapeople.org/groups/docs/fedoradocsfad2016-day2-reportout.webm 00:51:56 quaid, randomuser and I do 00:52:15 but looks like he already got it 04:20:35 info d0nn1e 09:00:32 randomuser: waiting for my badge too, fasusername : dhanvi 09:05:01 decause++ for doing a local video rather than bluejeans 14:24:18 https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issues 18:03:38 shaunm, alias check='xmllint --noout --xinclude --postvalid --noent' 18:10:35 hey nb, do you have time for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1334112 ? 18:27:41 fedoradocsfad2016-day1reportout.webm 21:15:17 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=1511&preview=1&_ppp=4eed05194c 21:15:19 shaunm: ^ 21:15:26 randomuser: ^ 21:46:20 #endmeeting