18:00:06 #startmeeting FESCO (2012-01-16) 18:00:06 Meeting started Mon Jan 16 18:00:06 2012 UTC. The chair is mitr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:14 #meetingname fesco 18:00:14 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:00:24 #chair notting nirik mjg59 mmaslano t8m pjones sgallagh mitr limburgher 18:00:24 Current chairs: limburgher mitr mjg59 mmaslano nirik notting pjones sgallagh t8m 18:00:38 * nirik is here. 18:00:45 hi 18:00:52 * sgallagh is here 18:00:55 #topic init process 18:01:10 hi 18:01:27 Hello all 18:01:42 hi 18:02:10 We have quorum, notting and limburgher said thay won't be able to come. Shall we wait for mjg59 and pjones? 18:03:02 I think pjones may be traveling back from fudcon... 18:04:53 shall we start? 18:04:54 so probibly we should just go ahead. 18:05:06 #topic #742 F17 Feature: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.8 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE48 18:05:11 .fesco 742 18:05:16 +1 rubber stamp 18:05:16 mitr: #742 (F17 Feature: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.8 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE48) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/742 18:05:21 sgallagh, mmaslano, notting, limburgher voted +1 in the ticket 18:05:28 +1 from me as well 18:05:31 +1 from me 18:05:36 +1 here. 18:06:15 #agreed KDE48 feature is approved. 18:06:25 #topic #743 F17 Feature: OpenNebula - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenNebula 18:06:31 .fesco 743 18:06:32 mitr: #743 (F17 Feature: OpenNebula - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OpenNebula) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/743 18:06:37 notting, limburgher voted +1 in the ticket 18:06:39 +1 18:06:43 yep. +1 here as well. 18:07:09 +1 18:07:13 Sure 18:07:15 +1 18:07:39 +1 although there seem to be many dependencies not yet filed for review? 18:08:02 but it can't hurt Fedora 18:08:07 hi guys, they arent mandatory deps 18:08:08 it's only leaf dependencies 18:08:15 jmelis, OK 18:08:33 #agreed OpenNebula feature is approved (+7-0) 18:08:39 #topic #744 F17 Feature: SSSD Auto FS Integration - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSDAutoFSSupport 18:08:50 .fesco 744 18:08:53 notting, limburgher voted +1 in the ticket 18:08:55 mitr: #744 (F17 Feature: SSSD Auto FS Integration - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSDAutoFSSupport) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/744 18:09:24 Heavily-biased +1 :) 18:09:34 sure, +1 here as well. I'm not sure how many fedora users will use it, but I think it's great for those who do. 18:09:38 +1 18:09:42 +1 if there is buy-in from the autofs maintainer 18:09:55 t8m: Ian Kent is working with us very closely 18:10:00 fine 18:10:11 +1 18:10:29 #agreed SSSDAutoFsSupport feature is approved (+7-0) 18:10:38 #topic #745 F17 Feature: SSSD Sudo Integration - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSDSudoIntegration 18:10:54 .fesco 745 18:10:57 mitr: #745 (F17 Feature: SSSD Sudo Integration - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SSSDSudoIntegration) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/745 18:11:00 limburgher voted +1 in the ticket 18:11:04 +1 18:11:06 notting: "Question added to feature page" 18:11:33 +1 seems useful, again I expect cooperation with the sudo maintainer 18:11:33 +1 from me, somewhat biased 18:11:46 sure, +1 18:11:57 t8m: again, sudo maintainer is a co-owner of the feature :) 18:11:58 Heavily-biased +1 :) 18:12:13 mitr, yeah, I see that 18:12:19 mitr: notting's question was answered on the talk page 18:12:52 #agreed SSSDSudoIntegration feature is approved (+6-0) 18:12:59 #topic #746 F17 Feature: Sugar 0.96 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sugar_0.96 18:13:01 sgallagh, sure the default if the nsswitch entry is not present should be to behave as unpatched sudo 18:13:03 And I can add (more clearly) yes, if SSSD isn't configured to handle it, we skip it 18:13:17 +1 18:13:21 .fesco 746 18:13:23 mitr: #746 (F17 Feature: Sugar 0.96 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Sugar_0.96) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/746 18:13:26 notting, limburgher voted +1 in the ticket 18:13:27 +1 18:13:28 t8m: I think the question was "if 'sss' is there but SSSD itself isn't configured, are we still okay) 18:13:28 +1 for this. 18:13:36 +1 to Sugar 18:14:02 and +1 from me 18:14:12 #agreed Sugar_0.96 feature is approved (+7-0) 18:14:19 #topic Fedora Engineering Services tickets - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6 18:14:22 Nothing new here 18:14:31 #topic #724 sponsor request - sdake 18:14:36 .fesco 724 18:14:38 mitr: #724 (sponsor request - sdake) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/724 18:14:41 This was added late, do we want to discuss it today? 18:15:03 I'm OK with it 18:15:14 we're early anyway 18:15:32 * nirik is ok with discussing today 18:15:49 * mitr is obviously OK as well 18:17:19 I like their reviews and they do seem to know what they are doing, but thats a very small amount of reviews to sample on. I'd personally ask them to do more reviews and resubmit in a while. 18:17:30 *shrug* Let me start - I'm mildly +1 - experience with several packages, reasonably thorough reviews of other 18:17:53 I'm in agreement with nirik 18:17:53 's packages 18:19:24 I suggest finding someone else from sponsors, who will sponsor cloud people than add him into sponsors 18:19:31 I'm +1 as I like the reviews and I think more sponsors is good 18:20:01 it's really low number of reviews. I'm sorry but -1 from me 18:21:00 With 5 presen, we can't get 5 agreements today. 18:21:21 we could also postpone to next week when we have more folks... or ask people to vote in ticket. 18:21:27 I'd propose asking him to do a few more reviews. 18:21:30 Defer to next meeting with more people present (... which is more or less equivalent to temporary rejection)? 18:21:46 sure. (and advise more reviews in the next week? ;) 18:21:47 mitr: Defer 18:22:03 nirik: Sure, that works :) 18:22:32 #agreed Deferred for next week; we would like to see more reviews 18:23:09 That's about all on today's agenda 18:23:19 * nirik has one item for open floor. 18:23:32 #topic Next week's chair 18:23:45 Does anybody want to volunteer? 18:23:56 I've not done it in a while, I can. 18:24:19 #agreed nirik will chair the meeting on Jan 23 18:24:23 #topic Open Floor 18:24:26 nirik? 18:24:37 * nirik takes off his fesco hat and puts on his infrastructure hat 18:25:38 So, as you may know we are migrating all our servers to rhel6. As part of this we are looking at the torrent server. Sadly, there's almost no good torrent seeding software that exists so we have to cobble something together. Also, we have noted usage of torrents is very much in decline. 18:25:49 This may be a question for the board, but I thought I would bring it up here... 18:25:59 do we want to keep doing a torrent seed? or discontinue it? 18:26:38 I for one always use the torrent (and seed for a week at minimum) 18:26:39 we don't need to decide this today, just wanted to bring it up for more visibility. 18:27:20 sgallagh: some folks at fudcon noted that direct downloads for them were much faster. Have you seen torrent be slow? 18:27:21 I think the torrent is very helpful for the release-day crush 18:27:33 I pulled 4.8MB/sec on F16 18:27:58 we see usage spikes on release days, but almost not any other day. 18:28:13 Of course, those reports could be coming from providers that throttle torrents 18:28:18 yep. 18:28:18 Like Comcast 18:28:50 (personally, I'd like to sit in on the Blizzard vs. Comcast lawsuit when that gets to court) 18:28:52 do folks think this is a fesco decision? or more a board thing? 18:29:05 I don't care much either way - if Infrastructure doesn't want to do the work, it just won't get done anyway. 18:29:06 nirik: Probably the board, honestly. 18:29:35 the current torrent seeder is using the 'bittorrent' software, but that went closed source a while back... 18:29:54 new one would probibly use opentracker+duct tape. 18:30:15 * nirik notes big torrent sites like piratebay are now also discontinuing torrents. 18:30:33 I'll bring it up to the Board, but any feedback from anyone welcome. 18:30:38 nirik: I think that's ".torrent files", not the service as such 18:30:55 it's the service too. They will be only doing magnet 18:31:44 As far as I can tell anyhow 18:32:14 I'd like to see the torrent server kept however if there is no suitable free software for tracker then hardly anybody can be upset if fedora discontinues it. 18:33:20 Perhaps one concern - is there a risk of an unofficial feed? If so, having an official one is probably better than the risk of someone creating a malicious unofficial one. 18:33:50 I'd guess that unofficial torrents won't happen, but I don't have any data to support this 18:33:52 yeah, anyone can create a torrent.... they just need a place to seed from and software to do it. 18:34:09 fedora releases have often shown up on pirate bay and the like before official release. 18:34:28 always check the gpg sig and checksum. ;) 18:34:50 we could look at shipping magnet links... but then we get no stats from it. 18:36:10 anyhow, just wanted to bring it up. thanks. 18:36:55 We have some time left, and 11 features in ReadyForWrangler - is there anything simple enough that we'd want to pre-approve it right now? 18:37:21 Actually, I have a lot on my plate today. I'd be good with moving to adjourn early for a change :) 18:37:41 ok :) 18:37:43 +1 to early ending :) 18:37:46 Anything else? 18:37:56 * nirik has nothing else. 18:38:54 we can vote on them in tickets after robyn put them into ready for fesco 18:39:07 11 features sounds like a lot for one meeting :( 18:39:25 next tue is feature freeze I think. 18:39:40 yes 18:39:40 yes 18:39:58 we may need a long session or a special session then. ;) 18:40:27 * mitr will close the meeting in 5.. 4... 18:40:49 OK, thanks everybody. See you next week. 18:40:59 #endmeeting