18:02:11 #startmeeting FESCO (2013-04-24) 18:02:11 Meeting started Wed Apr 24 18:02:11 2013 UTC. The chair is sgallagh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:11 #meetingname fesco #chair abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano notting nirik pjones t8m sgallagh #topic init process 18:02:11 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_#chair_abadger1999_jwb_mitr_mmaslano_notting_nirik_pjones_t8m_sgallagh_#topic_init_process' 18:02:27 hello. 18:02:31 thats a long name. ;) 18:02:34 * abadger1999 present 18:02:34 #meetingname fesco 18:02:34 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:02:34 #chair abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano notting nirik pjones t8m sgallagh #topic init process 18:02:34 Current chairs: #topic abadger1999 init jwb mitr mmaslano nirik notting pjones process sgallagh t8m 18:02:41 * nirik is here tho 18:02:59 Hello 18:03:12 * notting is here 18:05:05 Well, we have quorum. Shall we wait a few more minutes or begin? 18:05:17 we can wait a few, the schedule is, uh, light. 18:05:24 I mean, if we're actually expecting others. 18:06:41 #topic init process 18:06:59 (sorry, I mass-pasted a bunch of commands and my client oddly dropped the newlines) 18:08:50 Ok, I don't think anyone else is coming. 18:09:06 okay. 18:09:10 #topic #1108 Provenpackager request - jplesnik 18:09:10 .fesco 1108 18:09:13 sgallagh: #1108 (Provenpackager request - jplesnik) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1108 18:09:56 So jplesnik is working on PERL mass rebuilds and wants to be granted provenpackager access to facilitate this, if I understand the request correctly. 18:10:05 2 +1, one -1 in the ticket. 18:11:03 I'm not seeing a good reason we should treat this differently than we did e.g. boost rebuilds. 18:11:23 pjones: Refresh my memory: we gave pp to the boost rebuilder, correct? 18:11:36 I'm +1 as well 18:11:55 sgallagh: right 18:11:56 * nirik is +1 18:11:59 * pjones is +1 18:12:01 * sgallagh notes that he himself is a provenpackager primarily because he was managing SSSD/FreeIPA/Samba/Bind updates constantly. 18:12:02 sgallagh: yes, https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/989 18:12:04 So I'm +1 18:12:09 i'm +1 as well 18:12:51 yeah, for a case of "person needs to do rebuilds" i think it's just a question of whether we think the person will limit themselves to the scope they've mentioned (rebuilds for new perl). 18:12:59 (to be preciese - the ticket has a +1 from Tomas and +1 from Stano, who is not a FESCo member) 18:13:08 i do note that the person applying didn't say that the scope they were seeking... 18:13:15 Yes, so I count +6 (from FESCo members) 18:13:38 but it sounds like mmaslano is talking with the maintainer in person and that's her expectation. 18:13:52 +1 18:14:24 That's unanimous from present members, so I think we're done here. 18:14:33 abadger1999: if they limit themselves to that *and* reasonable fixes in other things, I'm still happy with it ;) 18:14:39 #agreed grant provenpackager status to jplesnik 18:14:57 pjones: Wouldn't that be the case for anyone though? ;-) 18:15:02 Who wants to set the ACL? 18:15:25 i 18:15:27 i'll do it 18:15:47 #action notting to grant provenpackager to jplesnik 18:15:58 I'm meaning... if there's concerns that they don't have enough of a proven track record to be doing reasonable fixes, they should still be able to do mass rebuilds if they are willing to limit themselves to that. 18:16:20 #topic Next week's chair 18:16:32 * sgallagh tosses the hot potato 18:17:20 * abadger1999 can do it. I'll make sure after the meeting I know all the things that entails. 18:17:50 May 1 and May 8 are public holidays in Czech Republic, so a few of us might be absent 18:18:01 (I don't have definite plans yet) 18:18:02 #info mitr: May 1 and May 8 are public holidays in Czech Republic, so a few of us might be absent 18:18:10 mitr: I'm kind of amazed you guys still have May Day as a holiday. 18:18:19 #action abadger1999 to chair May 1 meeting 18:18:31 #topic Open Floor 18:19:03 (or Labor Day, depending on where you are and whatnot...) 18:19:09 * nirik would like to congratulate all the folks who worked on Alpha. ;) 18:20:27 Yes, masterful work everyone. 18:22:41 did we want to do anything with the relro/etc ticket? 18:23:06 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1104 18:23:14 * nirik suspects we could just close it now? 18:23:38 mitr: Is there anything more to be discussed there? 18:24:16 We can either close it as halfie's happy with the current progress (and has been filing bugs AFAICS), or try to deal with https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1104#comment:17 . 18:25:04 oh, FWIW, I mentioned we should have a mass bugs SOP, and its such a good idea that I actually made one a while back and forgot about it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mass_bug_filing 18:25:25 mitr, I could use some help from FESCo. Lot of packagers haven't responded so far. 18:25:29 Let's get into the minutes 18:25:36 #info http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mass_bug_filing 18:26:44 I think I'd prefer everything PIE + using prelink for non-_hardened_build , but it's a tough call and it requires someone to do the implementation work... 18:27:21 halfie: My opinion on that is in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1104#comment:19 , FESCo might not share it 18:27:25 iirc, jakub was against hardening everything with all the proposed flags but I'm pretty sure _hardened_build doesn't use all the flags he talked about. So I'm not sure what his position would be on applying that across the board. 18:27:47 he is against dropping prelink I am pretty sure. ;) 18:29:06 if we are going to change the policy, I'd prefer a more detailed write up of the possible polices and upsides/downsides for each. 18:31:39 nirik: Right. So, close the ticket and hope for someone to pick up the topic? 18:32:24 we could yeah. close and ask anyone if they would like to submit a more detailed proposal on changing the policy? 18:33:16 sounds good to me 18:33:28 wfm 18:33:47 * nirik may actually try and propose dropping prelink. will see if I have the time. 18:34:03 mitr: +1 18:34:37 #action mitr to close https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1104 as respondents in the ticket seem content at the current time 18:34:48 Any other topics for Open Floor? 18:36:33 If there are no other topics, I'll close the meeting in two minutes 18:38:42 #endmeeting