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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-07-24)
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Meeting started by mmaslano at 18:00:37 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-24/fesco.2013-07-24-18.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
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* init process  (mmaslano, 18:01:32)

* #1132 libtool + %global _hardened_build 1 = no full hardening
  (mmaslano, 18:03:49)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986871   (nirik,
    18:09:05)

* #1136 F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary  (mmaslano,
  18:22:05)

* #1138 F20 System Wide Change: Unversioned Docdirs -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnversionedDocdirs  (mmaslano,
  18:26:22)
  * ACTION: nirik volunteered to apply the patch  (mmaslano, 18:27:00)

* #1140     F20 Self Contained Changes - week 2013-07-10 - 2013-07-17
  (mmaslano, 18:29:49)
  * AGREED: ntpdate submittor has to rework the proposal and resubmit to
    list with describing new scope and changes (+6,-0)  (mmaslano,
    18:37:27)
  * ACTION: jreznik will contact ntpdate owner  (mmaslano, 18:38:55)
  * AGREED: apache openoffice approved as is, but with mitr's addendum
    (+7,-0)  (mmaslano, 18:39:47)
  * mattdm wants this to be perfectly clear: FESCo does not grant
    automatic exceptions to our processes on any basis.  (pjones,
    18:42:53)
  * ACTION: mitr will ask for actions related to thinp on fedora-devel
    (mmaslano, 18:59:56)
  * AGREED: accept LVM thinp as a features and treat usability issues as
    bugs to be worked out, change documentation from N/A to 'please
    document in install guide' and speak to maintainers of tools like
    coreutils (+9,-0)  (mmaslano, 19:01:49)
  * LINK:
    https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/186016.html
    <nod>  (abadger1999, 19:04:51)
  * AGREED: Rails feature will be changed to system wide. It will be
    needed cooperation at least with OpenShift (+9,-0)  (mmaslano,
    19:08:55)
  * ACTION: jreznik Rails must be changed to system wide  (mmaslano,
    19:10:09)
  * LINK: https://wiki.gnome.org/Terminal/FAQ   (nim-nim, 19:12:30)
  * AGREED: GNOME 3.10 feature is approved as it is proposed (+6,-0)
    (mmaslano, 19:18:13)
  * AGREED: following features are approved: Vagrant, GNOME 3.10, DNSSec
    for FreeIPA, snapshot/rollback, transitive trusts, Enlightenment,
    X12go, sugar, sssd smart card, acpica, devassistant GUI, RBAC with
    libvirt, CIFS plugin, FreeIPA OTP, Ryu, plasma-nm (+9,-0)
    (mmaslano, 19:25:43)

* #1141     F20 System Wide Change: Allow kdump on secureboot machines -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot1140
  (mmaslano, 19:25:58)
  * AGREED: F20 System Wide Change: Allow kdump on secureboot machines
    was accepted (+6,-0)  (mmaslano, 19:30:50)

* #1142     F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to
  discourage requires into /bin and /sbin -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps  (mmaslano, 19:31:05)
  * AGREED: Defer to FPC figuring out the right thing to do here,
    reevaluate if this needs to be handled as a Change then. (+6,-0)
    (mmaslano, 19:38:45)

* #1143     F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail  (mmaslano,
  19:38:55)
  * AGREED: sendmail will be removed from @core (+9,-0)  (mmaslano,
    19:47:58)
  * AGREED: removal of sendmail from @standard didn't pass (+4,-4,0)
    (mmaslano, 19:59:08)

* #1144     F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog -
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog  (mmaslano,
  19:59:17)
  * AGREED: No Default Syslog didn't pass (+3,-4,2)  (mmaslano,
    20:18:12)
  * AGREED: remove rsyslog from @core, move to @standard pending
    revaluation in future (+6,-2,1)  (mmaslano, 20:31:03)

* chair for next week  (mmaslano, 20:31:08)
  * ACTION: sgallagh will chair 31th (if we have meeting)  (mmaslano,
    20:36:39)

Meeting ended at 20:37:36 UTC.




Action Items
------------
* nirik volunteered to apply the patch
* jreznik will contact ntpdate owner
* mitr will ask for actions related to thinp on fedora-devel
* jreznik Rails must be changed to system wide
* sgallagh will chair 31th (if we have meeting)




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jreznik
  * jreznik will contact ntpdate owner
  * jreznik Rails must be changed to system wide
* mitr
  * mitr will ask for actions related to thinp on fedora-devel
* nirik
  * nirik volunteered to apply the patch
* sgallagh
  * sgallagh will chair 31th (if we have meeting)
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* mmaslano (139)
* pjones (133)
* nirik (121)
* sgallagh (100)
* mitr (92)
* mattdm (74)
* abadger1999 (66)
* t8m (61)
* notting (42)
* BCrookAtRA (32)
* drago01 (17)
* zodbot (17)
* jreznik (13)
* dgilmore (13)
* nim-nim (10)
* Viking-Ice (10)
* poettering (8)
* jreznik__ (3)
* jmoskovc (2)




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