17:00:03 #startmeeting FESCO (2016-03-18) 17:00:03 Meeting started Fri Mar 18 17:00:03 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-03-18)' 17:00:03 #meetingname fesco 17:00:03 #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh 17:00:03 #topic init process 17:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:00:03 Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh 17:00:25 .hello sgallagh 17:00:26 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 17:00:44 I have a meeting for 15 minutes or so 17:00:58 .hello hguemar 17:00:58 number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' 17:01:00 * nirik waits to see if we get quorum 17:02:53 need at least one more. ;) 17:03:09 * kalev appears in a poof of magic. 17:03:35 hurray. ;) 17:03:44 there's not too much on the docket today... 17:03:53 #topic Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled 17:03:53 .fesco 1518 17:03:53 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 17:03:56 nirik: #1518 (Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 17:03:57 sgallagh: any news here? 17:04:24 I'm still waiting on the official word, but my side-channel suggests we move ahead assuming it's coming 17:04:40 ok, should we drop the meeting keyword here? or keep it to keep track or ? 17:04:46 So we should pull in that patch from Debian and run with it 17:05:28 Just add a note telling Martin to pull in the patch and then close it for now 17:05:48 ok. want me to do that, or you want to? 17:05:50 sounds like a good plan 17:06:34 * kalev nods. 17:07:14 I will 17:07:27 thanks sgallagh 17:07:50 #info sgallagh will close the ticket and ask firefox maintainer to pull in patch for system dir extensions for now. 17:07:55 #topic Review of delayed Changes for F24 17:07:55 .fesco 1552 17:07:55 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552 17:07:56 nirik: #1552 (Review of delayed Changes for F24) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552 17:08:06 ok, we might have just not updated this last week... 17:08:12 systemd split is done 17:08:26 maxamillion is on pto today 17:08:45 my apologies for being late 17:09:00 no worries. ;) 17:09:32 jwb: http://fpaste.org/342253/83209531/ if you want to catch up with the first 8 minutes :) 17:09:40 thank you 17:09:41 so, last week we heard that the layered image build setup was deployed in staging and being tested. I think he ran into various problems after that, but I don't know the status 17:09:52 I guess we just punt and revisit next week? 17:10:10 yeah, probably best to wait for maxamillion 17:10:24 we were going to cancel next week's meeting though, right? 17:10:24 agreed 17:10:30 kalev: yes 17:10:58 oh yeah, right. so week after 17:11:30 #topic modification to "Who is allowed to modify which packages" for Fedora Objectives 17:11:31 .fesco 1561 17:11:31 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561 17:11:32 nirik: #1561 (modification to "Who is allowed to modify which packages" for Fedora Objectives) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561 17:12:09 I'm fine with the change and I like jwb's 'process' :) 17:12:36 This reminded me. Did we ever execute on dropping sysv-only packages? 17:12:39 yeah, i want the focus here to be "get things done" not "file a bunch of tickets and argue" 17:12:50 That was supposed to happen around branch 17:12:56 I really like the idea of having a process of doing systematic cleanups in all spec files 17:13:10 sgallagh: I think the dropped the ball. ;( 17:13:24 not sure how many are left. 17:13:30 even for small things, like drop all ldconfig scriptlets in F25 and then fesco approves the idea and someone just runs a script over all packages 17:13:41 * nirik nods 17:14:33 we've been bad in doing systematic cleanups; FPC approves some change and then it takes 3 years for the package collection to catch up 17:14:55 :q 17:14:59 oops 17:15:02 sometimes the changes aren't easy to parse out tho... but sometimes they are. 17:15:12 but with a process like this, interested people could just clean up all the packages in one go 17:15:48 yeah, not everything can be automated :) 17:16:02 sure, provided we are reasonably sure their scripting isn't going to break everything. ;) 17:16:49 proposal: add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process jwb suggested to wiki. 17:17:15 +1 17:17:23 +1 my own proposal 17:17:35 +1 17:17:36 +1 17:17:56 * nirik waits for dgilmore to get out of his 15min meeting. ;) 17:18:01 +1 17:18:29 well, thats +5 anyhow. 17:19:01 #agreed add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process jwb suggested to wiki. (+5,0,0) 17:19:05 I can update the wiki 17:19:10 #info nirik to update wiki 17:19:23 #topic Week after next's chair 17:19:34 Who wants it for next meeting (which is not next friday) 17:19:44 I can do it 17:19:59 Warning: the next meeting is on April 1st 17:20:01 #action kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting 17:20:13 that makes us all april fools? ;) 17:20:18 #topic Open Floor 17:20:25 anyone have any items for open floor? 17:20:25 I'll be missing due to a FOSS convention at the same time 17:21:01 I have one item 17:21:26 i will be absent the next 3 weeks. 17:21:28 In case anyone missed it, I'm going to be stepping down from the Server WG in the next couple weeks. As such, there wil need to be a new liaison. 17:21:51 The Server WG will probably nominate someone, but I thought it would be good to mention. 17:21:52 sgallagh: are you stepping down from fesco too? or just working group and liasion? 17:22:10 nirik: I am planning to at least serve out my current term 17:22:18 ok, great. ;) 17:22:22 I haven't made a decision about running for re-election :) 17:23:03 ok 17:23:35 anything else from anyone? 17:24:21 * nirik will close out in a minute if nothing else. 17:25:30 ok, thanks for coming everyone! 17:25:33 #endmeeting