16:00:23 #startmeeting FESCO (2016-05-06) 16:00:23 Meeting started Fri May 6 16:00:23 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:23 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-05-06)' 16:00:23 #meetingname fesco 16:00:23 #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh 16:00:23 #topic init process 16:00:23 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 16:00:23 Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh 16:00:30 who all is around for a fesco meeting? 16:00:36 hallo! 16:00:45 I know dgilmore, sgallagh and kalev were not going to be around... 16:00:52 .hello hguemar 16:00:53 number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' 16:01:12 .hello maxamillion 16:01:13 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 16:01:21 * handsome_pirate observes 16:02:08 so thats 3... we may not make quorum today. 16:02:39 hmmm. 16:02:48 .hello jsmith 16:02:52 jsmith_work: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 16:02:53 Sorry, running a few minutes late 16:03:02 I'd like to know the fate of the workstation graphical update plan 16:03:48 mattdm: well, kalev and hugsie aren't going to be here today, so not sure what we can get done today... 16:04:08 it sounded like the plan was to push a f23 update with stuff disabled and have a way to enable it for testing... 16:04:09 okay. that means it _definitely_ can't be mentioned in the rh blog announcement 16:04:13 * danofsatx watches from sidelines 16:04:14 yeah. ;( 16:04:25 hopefully for the fedora annoucement and blogs, we can have a link, though 16:05:01 yeah, that would be nice. I know a lot of people jump over on Beta these days. 16:05:39 * nirik waits a few more minutes to see if paragn or jwb arrive... 16:05:39 * handsome_pirate jumps on a day or so after branch :) 16:07:17 i'm 1/2 here today 16:07:47 ok, thats quorum then (well, minus a bit) :) 16:08:06 #topic #1576 Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status 16:08:06 i promise to read logs fully if i fall behind before voting on anything 16:08:06 .fesco 1576 16:08:06 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 16:08:08 nirik: #1576 (Evaluate Workstation graphical upgrade Change status) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 16:08:15 mattdm wanted us to look at this first... 16:08:59 i actually read this one over. i agree with sgallagh in the ticket and i think this should go ahead and we can re-evaluate closer to GA 16:09:28 me too. I like the idea of a f23 update with stuff disabled and enableable via some key or the like... 16:09:40 sounds good to me 16:09:43 that way people can test it 16:09:43 That sounds fine to me 16:10:48 nirik: yes, that seems reasonable as well 16:11:11 so, can anyone articulate a proposal we can vote on/approve here? 16:12:33 Proposal: Allow Workstation graphical upgrade in an F23 update (disabled) with a key to enable for testing 16:12:34 proposal: Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. 16:13:04 either way +1 16:13:12 +1 to nirik's proposal 16:13:23 +1 16:14:13 number80 / jwb ^ 16:14:17 +1 16:16:13 +1 16:16:23 #agreed Change should move forward. QA and FESCo and developers will work to find a acceptable testing process. (+5,0,0) 16:16:46 I'd like is a page (fedora magazine article?) showing the process for enabling testing... 16:16:57 mattdm: +1 16:16:58 ("What I'd like is..") 16:17:03 mattdm: who are you asking that of? 16:17:06 and then I can link to that 16:17:09 yeah. I don't think the code is even written yet, but yeah 16:17:13 maxamillion: I guess Workstation developers? 16:17:16 Or QA? 16:17:25 mattdm: rgr 16:17:28 sounded like kalev was going to work on it. 16:17:36 Heck, if I know what the procedure is, I can write the page 16:18:11 yay kalev 16:18:44 #topic #1444 updates deliverables 16:18:44 .fesco 1444 16:18:44 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 16:18:45 nirik: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444 16:19:11 maxamillion: any chance to talk to groups about updating deliverables? 16:19:56 nirik: yes, there was one deliverable left that needed more discussion though so probably need to defer 16:20:06 ok, fair enough. 16:20:08 next week? 16:20:13 nirik: should be good, yes 16:20:23 #info will check back on this next week to gather info about last deliverable 16:20:26 thanks 16:20:30 certainly 16:20:50 #topic #1514 Policy for autogenerated code 16:20:50 .fesco 1514 16:20:50 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 16:20:51 nirik: #1514 (Policy for autogenerated code) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514 16:22:07 I'm perfectly fine with sgallagh's suggestion on the ticket 16:22:52 me too 16:22:55 The same but what's legal input? 16:23:09 yeah, I'm on board with that but would also be interested in what legal has to say 16:23:16 or is it totally left to our appreciation? 16:23:54 legal just pointed to the existing page 16:24:01 so they think it covers this ticket already 16:24:05 then, let's vote on sgallagh proposal 16:24:39 yeah, not 100% clear to me, but I think that answers everything still pending. 16:25:26 proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 16:25:31 +1 16:25:33 +1 from me 16:26:04 +1 16:26:17 right quick 16:26:18 +1 16:26:18 question 16:26:35 go ahead? 16:26:36 handsome_pirate: Go ahead... 16:26:38 What if the source, as released by $upstream is pregenerated? 16:26:53 As in, if I go to pypi, the tarball is all pregenned code 16:27:01 or mostly so 16:27:23 then, it has to ship master sources somehow 16:27:48 right: "It is required that the original source files from which the code was generated be included in the srpm 16:28:05 +1 16:28:13 all right, thanks 16:28:23 proposal: agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) 16:28:28 oops 16:28:37 #agreed agree with sgallagh's answers in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1514#comment:7 (+5,0,0) 16:29:08 #topic #1570 F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed) 16:29:08 .fesco 1570 16:29:08 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 16:29:09 nirik: #1570 (F24 Changes not in ON_QA status (<100% completed)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1570 16:30:11 we have cloud motd left 16:30:20 i think the trend here is to tell maxamillion that he cannot be responsible for everything because he does not scale ;) 16:30:25 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1238426 16:30:28 jwb: +1 16:30:34 jwb: wait, about what? 16:30:41 cloud motd 16:30:48 "According to developer (rtnpro) the Change is committed and 100% completed. However they do not want to switch the tracking bug to ON_QA till there will be a review completed by Adam Miller." 16:31:02 wait, why me? 16:31:10 I can spin up a beta cloud image real quick and see if it's done? 16:31:12 i have no idea 16:31:20 apparently people think you own this? 16:31:32 maybe, he's confusing with the other M. Miller 16:31:35 maxamillion: I guess I blindly assumed you had volunteered to test it... 16:31:57 o.O; 16:31:58 maxamillion: My apologies for assuming wrongly :-( 16:32:27 rtnpro: Are you around/awake? 16:32:54 jsmith_work, yes 16:32:56 dustymabe had tested the package and gave some feedback 16:33:05 I am working on the issues he had reported 16:33:14 I will push an update tomorrow 16:33:23 rtnpro: +1 16:33:26 rtnpro: is it ready for a beta or not? 16:33:33 there were some SELinux permission issues on atomic host 16:33:38 I mean it does not have to be perfect 16:33:46 that's fixable 16:34:21 then, we can assume, it's on schedule then 16:34:29 Proposal: Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change 16:34:30 number80, in terms of code, yes, however, I need to fix that SELinux issue in the package 16:34:46 +1 16:34:52 +1 16:34:54 it's not yet in though right? 16:35:08 rtnpro: the alternative was to completely drop that feature for F24 16:35:18 well, to move to f25? 16:35:29 +1 16:35:31 I'm pretty sure that selinux permissions is fixable very soon 16:35:38 nirik: yes 16:35:45 number80, yeah 16:36:01 out of all the changes, this one seems like the easiest to fudge 16:36:02 I am looking at a beta cloud image and it's not there yet, but I guess the impact is pretty small really... 16:36:10 i don't see a reason to defer yet 16:36:13 so sure, +1 to finish it up and get it working 16:36:17 yup, it's been deferred for too long 16:36:31 * nirik tries to count votes 16:36:44 you have 4 16:36:53 jsmith_work: ^ 16:37:00 oh 5 since jsmith_work made the proposal 16:37:05 well, jsmith_work proposed, so I assumed it was +1 16:37:16 #agreed Approve the "Cloud MOTD" change (+5,0,0) 16:37:29 rtnpro++ 16:37:29 number80: Karma for rtnpro changed to 6 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:37:33 rtnpro: let us know if you run into any issues... 16:37:41 nirik, sure 16:38:02 Yeah, sorry -- +1 to my own approval 16:38:11 s/approval/proposal/ 16:38:17 * jsmith_work can't multi-task today 16:38:59 #topic #1571 need guideance of what exactly needs to be built from source for Fedora Media Writer 16:38:59 fesco 1571 16:38:59 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1571 16:39:26 I think we should close this and ask they update and come back with a f25 version of the change... 16:39:58 nirik: +1 16:39:58 nirik: I was just going to propose the same thing :-) 16:40:21 +1 16:40:33 +1 16:41:08 Obviously, +1 from me 16:41:13 ok, will update the ticket then. ;) 16:41:28 #agreed will ask for a new f25 change with updated scope and information. 16:41:48 #topic #1575 non-responsive packager: roma 16:41:48 .fesco 1574 16:41:48 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575 16:41:49 nirik: #1574 (F25 System Wide Change: Removing Perl from Build Root) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1574 16:42:23 Didn't we approve this last week? 16:42:40 1575 is new 16:42:53 oops. 16:42:53 (likely a typo for 1574) 16:42:59 Ah, that's 1574 16:42:59 yeah, likely a typo there. 16:43:05 * nirik blames sgallagh. ;) 16:43:24 +1 to the request and orphaning all roma packages 16:43:39 at least, the process was done *correctly* 16:44:00 We may want to add roma to the ticket 16:44:18 jsmith_work: +1 16:44:28 +0 16:44:29 Proposal: Add roma to the ticket and revisit next week 16:44:41 +0 16:44:44 well, ok, but they didn't answer anything else... 16:44:52 not sure thats going to get any response either. ;) 16:45:00 yeah 16:45:13 well, I can wait one more week 16:45:21 nirik: I'm under no illusions that it will 16:45:22 and it's been about a year since a koji build or update submission... 16:45:22 actually, I'm inclined to +1 transfer of ownership and orphaning 16:45:48 yeah, I would perfer just doing it... 16:46:04 middle-ground is transfer ownership right now for php-getid3 16:46:09 if they do magically appear they still have acls and can comaintain or take ownership back 16:46:29 Me is fine with doing it now 16:46:42 Ugh... still can't type 16:47:19 jwb: ^ 16:47:26 +0 16:47:45 ok, so I guess we defer to next week then? 16:47:50 guess so 16:47:58 thats fine. ;) 16:48:15 last ticket! :) 16:48:18 woot 16:48:19 #topic 1568 F25 Self Contained Changes 16:48:19 .fesco 1568 16:48:19 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 16:48:21 nirik: #1568 (F25 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 16:49:23 did we do this one last week? 16:49:49 I thought we did also 16:50:01 errr 16:50:09 actually, I thought we did the week before, I wasn't here last week 16:50:36 Right... I think I caught just the tail-end of the meeting where it was discussed 16:51:23 i'm pretty skeptical that storaged is self-contained 16:51:31 but if you guys already did this then there's no reason to discuss 16:52:00 Yeah, doesn't sound self-contained to me 16:52:06 I am sure we did discuss it, but I can't find the logs. ;) 16:52:28 so, how about we punt this to next week and can close it in the mean time if we figure out the logs. 16:52:44 nirik: +1, as long as we also ask them to change it to a system-wide change 16:52:53 iirc, it wasn't that udisks2 was going away but certain things were planning to make the switch to storaged 16:53:06 but yeah, +1 to nirik 16:53:28 #topic Open Floor 16:53:34 anyone have anything for open floor? 16:54:20 yes 16:54:25 when are the next fesco elections? 16:54:44 good question. 16:54:45 * jsmith_work will likely miss next week's meeting, or at a minimum, will be late 16:56:11 should be next month after release? 16:56:48 last year was june... https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Elections&oldid=416869 16:56:48 think so 16:57:00 just curious really 16:57:23 #info FESCo elections coming up soon. Start thinking if you want to run! 16:57:38 * nirik nods. 16:57:47 If nothing else will close out in a minute... 16:58:40 thanks for coming everyone! 16:58:43 #endmeeting