16:06:22 <sgallagh> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-05-13)
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16:06:22 <sgallagh> #meetingname fesco
16:06:22 <sgallagh> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh
16:06:22 <sgallagh> #topic init process
16:06:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
16:06:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh
16:06:27 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
16:06:28 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
16:06:29 <dgilmore> hi
16:06:30 <sgallagh> Let's try this again.
16:06:33 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
16:06:34 <maxamillion> o/
16:06:35 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
16:06:36 <paragan> .hello pnemade
16:06:37 <zodbot> paragan: pnemade 'Parag Nemade' <pnemade@redhat.com>
16:06:38 <number80> .hello hguemar
16:06:39 <nirik> morning everyone
16:06:41 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' <karlthered@gmail.com>
16:07:04 <kalev> .hello kalev
16:07:05 <zodbot> kalev: kalev 'Kalev Lember' <klember@redhat.com>
16:07:44 <jwb> i'm here
16:08:26 <sgallagh> OK, let's get rolling
16:08:47 <sgallagh> #topic #1575 non-responsive packager: roma
16:08:47 <sgallagh> .fesco 1575
16:08:48 <zodbot> sgallagh: #1575 (non-responsive packager: roma) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1575
16:09:09 <sgallagh> Proposal: Transfer ownership of php-getid3 and to orphan the remaining packages owned by roma
16:09:18 <jwb> +1
16:09:19 <sgallagh> -to
16:09:19 <paragan> +1
16:09:22 <sgallagh> +1
16:09:26 <kalev> +1
16:09:28 <nirik> +1
16:09:35 <maxamillion> +1
16:09:54 <dgilmore> +1
16:10:18 <number80> +1
16:10:23 <sgallagh> #agreed Transfer ownership of php-getid3 and orphan the remaining packages owned by roma (+8, 0, -0)
16:10:40 <sgallagh> #topic #1444 updates deliverables
16:10:40 <sgallagh> .fesco 1444
16:10:42 <zodbot> sgallagh: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
16:10:58 <sgallagh> Oh, hang on
16:10:59 <sgallagh> #undo
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16:11:06 <sgallagh> nirik: Will you handle the orphaning process?
16:11:13 <nirik> sgallagh: sure, I can.
16:11:14 <sgallagh> Thanks
16:11:28 <sgallagh> #action nirik to orphan roma's packages and send email to devel@lists.fp.o
16:11:35 <sgallagh> #topic #1444 updates deliverables
16:11:44 <sgallagh> .fesco 1444
16:11:46 <zodbot> sgallagh: #1444 (updates deliverables) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1444
16:12:24 <sgallagh> maxamillion: I think this one was in your court?
16:13:00 <maxamillion> sgallagh: ah, yes it is .... I kind of dropped the ball on that one last week, we have everything but one deliverable decided upon
16:13:18 <maxamillion> sgallagh: I got lost in the weeds on more docker layered image stuff and that took a back burner
16:13:25 <sgallagh> /me nods
16:13:36 <sgallagh> So, nothing to do here, revisit next week?
16:13:51 <maxamillion> sgallagh: yes please
16:13:54 <maxamillion> sorry about that all
16:14:14 <sgallagh> #info Defer one more week while maxamillion handles the last piece
16:14:27 <sgallagh> On to new business:
16:14:31 <sgallagh> #topic #1577 F25 System Wide Change: Perl 5.24
16:14:31 <sgallagh> .fesco 1577
16:14:33 <zodbot> sgallagh: #1577 (F25 System Wide Change: Perl 5.24) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1577
16:14:54 <dgilmore> +1
16:14:56 <kalev> +1
16:15:00 <paragan> +1
16:15:09 <maxamillion> +1
16:15:11 <sgallagh> +1
16:15:12 <jwb> +1
16:15:13 <nirik> sure +1
16:15:47 <sgallagh> #agreed Perl 5.24 is accepted as a F24 System Wide Change (+8, 0, -0)
16:15:53 <sgallagh> (number80 voted in the ticket)
16:16:05 <number80> yes
16:16:44 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor
16:16:52 <sgallagh> Whee! That's the whole agenda.
16:17:07 <nirik> nifty
16:17:30 <kalev> that was effective
16:17:35 <kalev> sgallagh++
16:17:51 <jkurik> hi
16:18:04 <sgallagh> I won't be around for next week's meeting, FYI
16:18:07 <jkurik> may I ask FESCo to review https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568#comment:9
16:18:14 <jkurik> ?
16:18:27 <kalev> I probably won't be around next week either, I'm on PTO and travelling then
16:18:43 <maxamillion> I will try to be here next week but will be traveling home from OSCON and might not make it
16:18:51 <sgallagh> Oh, hmm. I misread that when I was checking the tickets earlier.
16:19:11 * nirik should be around next week. I guess I can chair if no one else wants it.
16:19:14 <sgallagh> #topic #1568 Replace udisks2 with storaged
16:19:15 <sgallagh> .fesco 1568
16:19:16 <zodbot> sgallagh: #1568 (F25 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568
16:19:17 <jkurik> there was some rumours about the "​Replace UDisks2 by Storaged ", so I would like to be sure it is approved
16:19:32 <kalev> why is it a system-wide change? it doesn't _replace_ udisks2, does it? just a parallel dbus service?
16:20:06 <kalev> as I understand it, the anaconda stack is switching to it, but that shouldn't affect other things, or have I misunderstood it?
16:20:26 <sgallagh> kalev: IIUC, it's a drop-in replacement: you can't use both at the same time.
16:20:32 <kalev> ahhh
16:20:51 <sgallagh> Because I *think* it provides the same D-BUS API (well, a superset thereof)
16:21:36 <kalev> yeah, that makes the scope much wider then
16:22:01 <sgallagh> Let me see if any of the storaged guys are around.
16:22:26 <number80> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Replace_UDisks2_by_Storaged
16:23:14 <number80> It does say that it replaces udisks2, and the tests matrix is supposed to test that it works well as udisks2 replacement
16:23:34 <number80> The test matrix is a bit lightweight though
16:24:08 <nirik> definitely needs adding cockpit and blivet to the test section if they are affected. (which it says they are below)
16:24:15 <sgallagh> I'm also concerned that it doesn't seem like the GNOME folks have been involved in the discussion
16:24:49 <number80> wasn't storaged developed for cockpit needs originally?
16:25:12 <sgallagh> number80: OpenLMI first, Cockpit second. But close enough.
16:25:50 <sgallagh> So I'm scanning the source and it doesn't look like it's *exactly* replacing udisks2's API right now.
16:25:58 <number80> ack, so I'm fine w/ considering that OpenLMI/cockpit were already tested and that upstream devs will fix any issue raised during F25 cycle
16:26:01 <sgallagh> It's offering the same API on a different interface
16:26:18 <sgallagh> But it's unclear if they intend to have it offer both interfaces, thus allowing us to drop udisks2
16:26:33 <sgallagh> But given that they use the term "replace" everywhere, I'd say that's probably the intent.
16:26:43 <sgallagh> I wish the Change proposers were around for this
16:27:12 <number80> maybe the Workstation WG could also visit that change and provide feedback if it hasn't already
16:27:15 <kalev> I think using a separate dbus API makes it easier, because then projects can switch one by one as they see fit
16:27:35 <kalev> err, I mean separate interface
16:28:29 <sgallagh> kalev: I suspect that's what's been going on thus far, but they're ready to flip the switch and stop shipping two daemons that do the same thing.
16:28:30 <kalev> in any case, I think it's very very positive that we have a storage daemon under active development; udisks2 was pretty much in deep maintainance mode
16:28:39 <kalev> sgallagh: ah, fair enough
16:29:51 <jkurik> so it looks like there are some doubts about the Change, so can anyone please put some questions what needs to be clarified into the ticket, so I can ask the Change owner to answer it ?
16:30:00 <sgallagh> kalev: Yeah, on my Workstation, both org.freedesktop.UDisks2 and org.storaged.Storaged exist and provide apparently the exact same content
16:31:34 <sgallagh> OK, so let me see if I have the list of questions right:
16:32:17 <sgallagh> 1) Have the GNOME, Anaconda/Blivet and Cockpit folks agreed to replacing Udisks2?
16:32:42 <sgallagh> 2) Is it expected to be a complete cutover (where we drop Udisks2 from the default install and/or from the distro entirely with Obsoletes)?
16:33:19 <sgallagh> Am I missing anything important?
16:33:53 <nirik> sounds good to me.
16:34:47 <paragan> yes questions looks right
16:34:54 <maxamillion> yeah, looks good
16:35:01 * kalev nods.
16:35:08 <sgallagh> jkurik: Want me to pose those to the devel list rather than the ticket?
16:36:22 <number80> *nods*
16:37:15 <sgallagh> Alright, I'm going to just go ahead and do that
16:37:31 <sgallagh> #action sgallagh to reply on the devel list with questions
16:37:32 <kalev> good plan
16:37:57 <sgallagh> #topic Next Week's Chair
16:38:02 <jkurik> sgallagh: does not matter, I can talk directly to the Change owner on Monday
16:38:36 * maxamillion would chair but will be traveling and might not actually make the meeting :/
16:39:06 <paragan> I can chair next week
16:39:20 <sgallagh> #info paragan to chair the 2016-05-20 meeting
16:39:25 <maxamillion> paragan++
16:39:25 <zodbot> maxamillion: Karma for pnemade changed to 9 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:39:42 <sgallagh> #topic Open Floor part 2
16:39:44 <sgallagh> Anything else?
16:40:51 <sgallagh> Happy Friday the 13th, eveyone.
16:40:56 <sgallagh> #endmeeting