16:00:13 #startmeeting FESCO (2016-07-22) 16:00:13 Meeting started Fri Jul 22 16:00:13 2016 UTC. The chair is maxamillion. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-07-22)' 16:00:13 #meetingname fesco 16:00:13 #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh 16:00:14 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 16:00:14 Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh 16:00:16 #topic init process 16:00:21 .hello maxamillion 16:00:22 .hello kevin 16:00:22 .hellomynameis jsmith 16:00:22 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 16:00:25 nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' 16:00:28 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 16:00:30 .hello pnemade 16:00:31 paragan: pnemade 'Parag Nemade' 16:01:22 hi 16:02:22 well, we have quorum but just barely :) 16:02:28 o/ 16:02:37 woohoo1 16:02:38 .hello hguemar 16:02:39 Better than several of the last few weeks... 16:02:39 number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' 16:02:54 alright, let's get to it ... the agenda is pretty light today 16:03:24 #topic Follow Up Items 16:03:28 #topic #1594 F25 System Wide Change: IBus Emoji Typing 16:03:32 .fesco 1594 16:03:34 maxamillion: #1594 (F25 System Wide Change: IBus Emoji Typing) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1594 16:03:44 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1594 16:04:12 From my standpoint, it looks like this is still being discussed on the mailing list -- do other feels this is ready for a vote? 16:04:38 jsmith, there is no reply from other person on mailinglist 16:04:46 I am not sure how much we need to wait then 16:04:53 yep 16:05:01 I'm on the fence, I'm satisfied that node.js isn't a hard dep for distributing the package but it's still a little concerning that it's a whole new stack required for build ... 16:05:03 Change owner has given his implementation details 16:05:17 I wish sgallagh was here as he's well versed in the ways of node.js 16:05:32 node.js is something we can't ignore .. 16:06:18 Do we want to defer another week until sgallagh can weigh in? 16:06:48 number80: I'm not saying we should ignore it, I just want to make sure that interested parties are aware of the impact 16:06:49 I am +1 as I don't see yet any specific question against this Change 16:07:04 if all other people think we should wait for sgallagh, I am okay with that also 16:07:20 I'm +1 also, node.js is definitely here to stay and we switched to node.js LTS releases so things should be relatively sane as time goes on 16:07:41 does someone want to make a proposal or should we vote on the change itself? 16:08:00 Proposal: Vote to approve the change 16:08:06 +1 16:08:14 +0 Bastien has correct arguments against the implementation 16:08:31 +1 16:08:36 +1 16:08:40 I suppose I am a weak +1 we can always adjust or drop things if they don't work out 16:09:00 jsmith: what say you? 16:09:11 * dgilmore notes next week is branching 16:09:18 +1 16:09:23 there is not much time for things to get in and be testable 16:09:37 (with notes that there is some disagreement on the mailing list, but I think we can find a way to work things out) 16:09:52 nirik: I agree... it's not carved in stone 16:10:30 oh wait, everyone voted 16:10:32 * maxamillion tallies 16:11:18 #agreed FESCo Approves #1594 F25 System Wide Change: IBus Emoji Typing (+1:5, +0:1, -1:0) 16:11:26 (did I do that right?) 16:11:31 yes 16:11:33 si 16:11:34 thanks 16:11:37 alright, moving on 16:11:44 * paragan want to note here ibus-uniemoji will soon be in Fedora also, finishing its package review by next week 16:11:55 #topic New Business 16:12:08 #topic #1568 F25 Self Contained Changes (Change/Remove slogin and sshd-keygen, GNS3, Rust Compiler) 16:12:14 .fesco 1568 16:12:16 maxamillion: #1568 (F25 Self Contained Changes) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568 16:12:19 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1568#comment:29 16:13:01 +1 to slogin/sshd-keygen 16:13:17 +1 to GNS3 16:13:20 +1 to all (hopefully rust folks are working on guidelines) 16:13:26 +1 to all three 16:13:52 +1 to all 16:13:56 +1 to all 16:14:07 jsmith: any reservations about rust? 16:14:19 maxamillion: Just checking one thing... gimme 30 seconds, please 16:14:24 jsmith: certainly :) 16:14:27 at some point, we'll have to work on it 16:14:34 +1 to Rust Compiler as well -- 16:14:41 we've got all kinds of time, the agenda is super light this week :) 16:14:46 dgilmore: ? 16:14:50 I'm good -- I found what I was looking for 16:14:57 jsmith: out of curiosity, what was it? 16:14:58 maxamillion: was reading the changes 16:15:04 dgilmore: certainly, take your time 16:15:12 I am not sure about removing sshd-keygen 16:15:19 but the rest I am okay with 16:15:33 maxamillion: I was confusing two different things, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't Rust I was concerned about 16:15:41 jsmith: rgrf 16:16:05 I'm glad someone is taking care of fixing sshd-keygen 16:16:22 dgilmore: what about it are you concerned about? 16:16:24 number80: what do you mean by that statement? 16:16:40 dgilmore: I mean working on finishing the migration to sytsemd 16:16:49 dgilmore: it's already gone in rawhide 16:17:05 maxamillion: well its pretty well documented to use it to generate the keys, I know I have had times where I manually ran it to regnerate the keys 16:17:26 I am okay doing away with the initscript 16:17:27 dgilmore: ssh-keygen isn't going away, sshd-keygen is ... 16:17:29 dgilmore: you misunderstand. This is the init script to generate host keys 16:17:35 I just wonder if we should not keep the command 16:17:46 nirik: thats not how it reads 16:18:08 3. Check if you have the files in your system: 16:18:09 ls /usr/bin/slogin /usr/sbin/sshd-keygen 16:18:09 ls: cannot access /usr/bin/slogin: No such file or directory 16:18:09 ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/sshd-keygen: No such file or directory 16:18:17 dgilmore: correct 16:18:18 its saying that teh command should be gone 16:18:23 dgilmore: ssh-keygen is still there 16:18:25 sshd-keygen != ssh-keygen 16:18:29 nirik: +1 16:18:31 oh I see 16:18:41 sshd-keygen is a horrible old script 16:18:45 removing ssh-keygen is absolute no 16:18:49 nirik: +1 16:18:50 number80: +1 16:19:01 * nirik isn't sure why this is really a change actually, but I guess some people must depend on it 16:19:09 okay so its laking in essential data 16:19:14 lacking 16:19:15 dgilmore: how so? 16:19:46 maxamillion: well if I missed some aspects others will also 16:19:47 I'm not seeing the disconnect or I'm just missing the missing data all together 16:19:51 * maxamillion is confused 16:20:14 dgilmore: sshd-keygen binary is still around => http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/openssh.git/tree/sshd-keygen@.service#n8 16:20:28 but I agree that description could be misleading 16:20:58 alright, so the change proposal needs some new word smithing for clarity 16:20:59 sshd-keygen and ssh-keygen are really similiar 16:21:11 there needs to be some docs and communication on it 16:21:18 maxamillion: yes 16:21:26 *nods* 16:21:26 +1 16:21:37 perhaps a note that ssh-keygen is unaffected and will continue to work as expected? 16:21:45 is that grounds to not approve the change though? (I'm asking in earnest, this is uncharted territory for me as a FESCo member) 16:21:48 why an initscript was a command in /usr/sbin is odd 16:21:58 and as it did something odd it needs extra clarity 16:22:00 it's ancient. 16:22:39 maxamillion: we can request minor changes to the maintainers (documentation is not disputable) 16:22:54 maxamillion: no, it can be approved but we will need to ensure it is updated 16:23:59 +1 16:24:20 dgilmore: alright, so what's your vote on that change? 16:24:38 +1 with the proviso it be updated 16:25:33 #agreed FESCo Approves #1568 F25 Self Contained Changes (Change/Remove slogin and sshd-keygen, GNS3, Rust Compiler) (+1:6, +0:0, -1:0) 16:25:51 #topic Next week's chair 16:26:00 I'll be out on PTO next Friday 16:26:40 I suppose I can do it... 16:27:17 #info nirik to chair next week's FESCo meeting 16:27:26 thanks nirik! 16:27:28 #topic Open Floor 16:27:30 * dgilmore will be on PTO next week also 16:27:42 the week after is flock 16:27:45 anyone have any business to bring to the floor? 16:28:02 oh! are we doing a "Meet FESCo" type session at Flock this year? 16:28:07 (on the topic of flock) 16:28:19 I think so 16:28:29 maxamillion: if its not already scheduled it may be too late 16:28:42 It wasn't scheduled 16:28:45 I asked several weeks ago 16:28:58 nope 16:29:00 Nobody proposed it, so it didn't make it's way into the schedule 16:29:01 wellllll bummer 16:29:10 Nobody wants to meet me anyway :-p 16:29:13 lol 16:29:21 jsmith: I'm pretty sure that I do 16:29:22 maybe we could just do a "have beers with FESCo" evening :) 16:29:38 maxamillion: WORKSFORME, as long as I'm not forced to drink beer :-p 16:29:39 buy fesco beers? sounds good. ;) 16:29:45 nirik: :P 16:30:02 jsmith: you don't have to drink anything you don't want to ... or really do anything you don't want to 16:30:17 maxamillion: Great -- I'll buy the first round of ${BEVERAGES} then :-) 16:30:17 jsmith: we have a supply of coke for you 16:30:21 I know a bar with hundred of different vodka is Krakow 16:30:37 alright, any other business for the Open Floor? ... I'll give it a few minutes since we have so much spare time in the meeting block 16:30:44 number80: I would rather 100 different scotch ś 16:30:53 but i guess I could do vodka 16:31:21 dgilmore: Krakow's not the right place, but there are bars with decent scotch there 16:31:41 maxamillion: nothing to add 16:32:34 maxamillion: nada 16:33:00 I'll give it three more minutes just in case 16:33:48 if more people will be on holiday next week then probably we meet on 12th August after F25 Alpha freeze to evaluate all the Change testable by that time. 16:34:14 paragan: we have 2 people away, not sure if there are more 16:34:53 good so we will not have any quorum issues :) 16:35:17 alright, I'm gonna close up 16:35:22 thanks everyone for coming! 16:35:33 thank you maxamillion 16:35:38 #endmeeting