16:00:26 <kalev> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-09-09)
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16:00:27 <kalev> #meetingname fesco
16:00:27 <kalev> #chair maxamillion dgilmore jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh Rathann
16:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
16:00:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik paragan sgallagh
16:00:29 <kalev> #topic init process
16:00:35 <jwb> hi
16:00:36 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
16:00:37 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
16:00:39 <kalev> hello everybody
16:00:43 <jsmith> .hello jsmith
16:00:44 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com>
16:00:47 <paragan> .hello pnemade
16:00:48 <zodbot> paragan: pnemade 'Parag Nemade' <pnemade@redhat.com>
16:00:48 <jsmith> Howdy all...
16:01:03 <nirik> morning
16:01:52 <kalev> sooooo, short agenda today
16:02:01 <kalev> two tickets that we have to follow up on
16:02:18 <kalev> #topic #1609 Fedora 26 schedule proposal
16:02:19 <kalev> .fesco 1609
16:02:22 <zodbot> kalev: #1609 (Fedora 26 schedule proposal) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1609
16:02:49 <kalev> we've already discussed this and approved the schedule, but jkurik wanted some clarifications in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1609#comment:29
16:02:55 <sgallagh> /me is waiting for dgilmore to chime in here
16:03:06 <kalev> dgilmore: around?
16:03:24 <sgallagh> I had assumed that since he approved the original schedule, he was okay with starting on that Wednesday
16:03:44 <kalev> nirik: who does the mass rebuilds these days? pbrobinson?
16:04:16 <nirik> it varies... dgilmore has done them, pbrobinson has done them...
16:04:44 <nirik> I'm not sure why friday would matter off hand
16:05:20 <pbrobinson> there's also mohan too, we normally do kick the total rebuild off on friday
16:05:23 <Rathann> hi, sorry I'm late
16:05:32 <pbrobinson> and then they're tagged in by monday
16:05:33 <jwb> nirik: the only reasoning i could think of is that koji is less busy over the weekends?
16:05:47 <pbrobinson> yes, less churn
16:06:02 <Rathann> .hello rathann
16:06:02 <zodbot> Rathann: rathann 'Dominik Mierzejewski' <dominik@greysector.net>
16:06:16 <kalev> anyway, I guess this means the schedule as jkurik posted where the mass rebuild starts on Friday is right?
16:06:18 <nirik> I suppose... but I think we have capacity to where that doesn't much matter
16:06:24 <sgallagh> pbrobinson: So the question before us is whether "less churn" is more valuable than the two extra days of dealing with fallout
16:07:32 <pbrobinson> sgallagh: we can basically kick if off whenever, if it's scheduled to go on a Wed I don't see an issue with that
16:08:02 <sgallagh> OK, thanks very much
16:08:17 <kalev> sgallagh: do you think we should change it back to Wednesday then?
16:08:18 <sgallagh> Proposal: Keep the originally-approvde Wednesday mass-rebuild"
16:08:39 <nirik> +1
16:08:40 <kalev> nirik, pbrobinson: you both ok with this?
16:08:42 <kalev> +1
16:08:53 * nirik is. Unless there's something I'm not aware of
16:09:14 * jsmith is +1, in the absence of any other information from dgilmore
16:09:39 <pbrobinson> +1 if dgilmore isn't around
16:09:44 <jwb> +1
16:09:48 <paragan> +1
16:10:03 <sgallagh> +1 for the record
16:10:22 <kalev> #agreed Keep the originally-approvde Wednesday mass-rebuild (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0)
16:10:30 <kalev> okay, excellent. next!
16:10:37 <kalev> #topic #1617 Council update on Third Party Software policy
16:10:38 <kalev> .fesco 1617
16:10:40 <zodbot> kalev: #1617 (Council update on Third Party Software policy) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1617
16:10:42 <kalev> cschalle: around?
16:10:46 <cschalle> I am
16:10:54 <kalev> so I think nirik's last proposal makes a lot of sense
16:11:27 * nirik hopes it meets the councils agreed on thing
16:11:45 <cschalle> yeah, it seems fine
16:11:50 <Rathann> s/approved by a active/approved by an active/
16:12:01 <kalev> just one question, what happens for spins that don't fall under an active WG, such as KDE?
16:12:24 <kalev> is it FESCo deciding then? I don't much want to have the Workstation WG making decisions for the KDE spin
16:12:31 <Rathann> s/critera/criteria/
16:12:51 <Rathann> kalev: +1 for FESCo fallback
16:13:14 <jwb> kalev: fair question.  i think that's a decent proposal
16:13:31 <nirik> I think it's reasonable to go to fesco if it's not under any existing working group
16:13:48 <sgallagh> /me agrees
16:13:51 <paragan> kde-sig can make the decision on that?
16:14:03 <kalev> should this go in the guideline or is it an obvious thing that FESCo is deciding?
16:14:19 <Rathann> well, if there's a SIG then it's like a WG
16:14:34 <sgallagh> Rathann: That's not strictly true.
16:15:01 <sgallagh> SIGs are just groups. WGs are formally empowered by the Council and FESCo to speak with Fedora's voice
16:15:04 <jsmith> WGs are more formalized than a SIG
16:15:22 <Rathann> ok
16:15:58 <kalev> I think it may be prudent to go with WGs + FESCo fallback for now and if it turns out it's not working, can always change that later
16:16:15 <jsmith> kalev: +1
16:16:21 <sgallagh> I mean, there's nothing stopping the KDE SIG from just making a proposal that FESCo rubber-stamps, either
16:16:24 <paragan> kalev, +1
16:16:34 <sgallagh> KDE is (and always has been) kind of a special case.
16:17:18 * kalev nods.
16:17:28 <kalev> anyone got any good ideas how to write that in the guideline?
16:18:03 <sgallagh> Yeah, one moment.
16:18:06 <sgallagh> Drafting
16:18:19 <kalev> sgallagh++
16:18:19 <zodbot> kalev: Karma for sgallagh changed to 9 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:18:23 <Rathann> ... by an active Fedora Working Group (for Editions) or FESCo (for Spins) ...
16:18:45 <sgallagh> Rathann++ (that was almost exactly what I was drafting)
16:18:46 <zodbot> sgallagh: Karma for rathann changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:18:49 <kalev> that sounds clear enough for me
16:18:52 <Rathann> :D
16:19:02 <sgallagh> Except I was going to say "(for all other deliverables)" rather than Spins
16:19:08 <sgallagh> Just to cover edge-cases in advance
16:19:29 <kalev> that sounds better, yep
16:20:01 <nirik> sounds good to me.
16:20:18 <jwb> fine
16:20:25 <jsmith> WORKSFORME
16:20:31 <kalev> Proposal: approve https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1617#comment:10 with the edit "... by an active Fedora Working Group (for Editions) or FESCo (for all other deliverables) ..."
16:20:36 <kalev> +1 from me
16:20:41 <paragan> +1
16:20:50 <jwb> +1
16:20:53 <nirik> +1
16:20:56 <sgallagh> +1
16:21:04 <Rathann> +1
16:21:27 <Rathann> and with typos corrected ;)
16:21:31 <nirik> who is going to add it into the wiki page? I guess I can try and do so if no one else wants to.
16:21:52 * nirik nods. fixed typos would be good
16:22:03 <kalev> nirik: yes, please do!
16:22:27 <kalev> #agreed Approve https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1617#comment:10 with the edit "... by an active Fedora Working Group (for Editions) or FESCo (for all other deliverables) ..." (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0)
16:22:35 <nirik> ok
16:22:37 * nirik adds a task
16:22:58 <kalev> excellent.
16:23:00 <kalev> nirik++
16:23:00 <zodbot> kalev: Karma for kevin changed to 27 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:23:02 <kalev> #topic Next week's chair
16:23:08 <kalev> who wants to chair next week?
16:23:18 * jwb looks at calendar
16:23:44 <jwb> kalev: i can
16:23:52 * nirik was considering taking next friday off, so I don't want to commit to chairing
16:23:56 <kalev> #agreed jwb to chair next week
16:23:59 <kalev> jwb++
16:23:59 <zodbot> kalev: Karma for jwboyer changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:24:04 * kalev hands out cookies to everyone.
16:24:08 <Rathann> thanks jwb
16:24:10 <Rathann> :)
16:24:12 <kalev> #topic Open Floor
16:24:23 <kalev> any other topics?
16:24:29 * jsmith may be on a plane during next week's meeting... apologies in advance
16:24:42 <jsmith> I'll do my best to vote/comment on tickets before the meeting
16:24:54 <jwb> i have a vague one
16:25:03 <sgallagh> One possible thing we might want to be aware of:
16:25:05 <sgallagh> .bug 1374691
16:25:05 <zodbot> sgallagh: Bug 1374691 – edk2 package uses and bundles non-hobbled openssl tarball - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1374691
16:25:19 <Rathann> ugh
16:25:46 <sgallagh> Actually, looks like that was already fixed today.
16:25:54 <sgallagh> We probably need to purge the lookaside cache, though
16:25:59 * kalev nods.
16:26:08 <nirik> and koji and... yeah. ;(
16:26:42 <kalev> they can probably just file an infrastructure ticket, or do you want FESCo to approve this before, nirik?
16:26:46 <sgallagh> jwb: You had something?
16:26:50 <jwb> i want to confirm that fesco members received the email I sent yesterday.  yes/no is sufficient.
16:26:55 <kalev> I did
16:27:04 <nirik> kalev: releng ticket actually.
16:27:12 <jsmith> jwb: Got it, read it, but haven't articulated a response yet
16:27:13 <sgallagh> kalev: I don't think we need to approve anything. Just wanted us to be aware of the situation.
16:27:15 <nirik> and just that is fine I think.
16:27:21 <nirik> jwb: yep.
16:27:22 <sgallagh> Exactly what jsmith said
16:27:27 <sgallagh> jwb: ^^
16:27:34 <Rathann> jwb: I got it and you saw my response already
16:27:40 <nirik> oh, I can also adjust the list...
16:27:53 <jwb> nirik: would be nice.  if you give me admin, i can do it too
16:27:58 <jwb> ok, thanks for confirming all
16:28:16 <nirik> jwb: happy to do that.
16:28:42 <kalev> ok, looks like that's it for today. thanks for coming folks
16:28:45 * kalev closes the meeting in 30 seconds if there's nothing else.
16:29:29 <kalev> #endmeeting