16:00:26 #startmeeting FESCO (2016-09-09) 16:00:27 Meeting started Fri Sep 9 16:00:26 2016 UTC. The chair is kalev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:27 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-09-09)' 16:00:27 #meetingname fesco 16:00:27 #chair maxamillion dgilmore jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh Rathann 16:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 16:00:27 Current chairs: Rathann dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik paragan sgallagh 16:00:29 #topic init process 16:00:35 hi 16:00:36 .hello sgallagh 16:00:37 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 16:00:39 hello everybody 16:00:43 .hello jsmith 16:00:44 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 16:00:47 .hello pnemade 16:00:48 paragan: pnemade 'Parag Nemade' 16:00:48 Howdy all... 16:01:03 morning 16:01:52 sooooo, short agenda today 16:02:01 two tickets that we have to follow up on 16:02:18 #topic #1609 Fedora 26 schedule proposal 16:02:19 .fesco 1609 16:02:22 kalev: #1609 (Fedora 26 schedule proposal) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1609 16:02:49 we've already discussed this and approved the schedule, but jkurik wanted some clarifications in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1609#comment:29 16:02:55 /me is waiting for dgilmore to chime in here 16:03:06 dgilmore: around? 16:03:24 I had assumed that since he approved the original schedule, he was okay with starting on that Wednesday 16:03:44 nirik: who does the mass rebuilds these days? pbrobinson? 16:04:16 it varies... dgilmore has done them, pbrobinson has done them... 16:04:44 I'm not sure why friday would matter off hand 16:05:20 there's also mohan too, we normally do kick the total rebuild off on friday 16:05:23 hi, sorry I'm late 16:05:32 and then they're tagged in by monday 16:05:33 nirik: the only reasoning i could think of is that koji is less busy over the weekends? 16:05:47 yes, less churn 16:06:02 .hello rathann 16:06:02 Rathann: rathann 'Dominik Mierzejewski' 16:06:16 anyway, I guess this means the schedule as jkurik posted where the mass rebuild starts on Friday is right? 16:06:18 I suppose... but I think we have capacity to where that doesn't much matter 16:06:24 pbrobinson: So the question before us is whether "less churn" is more valuable than the two extra days of dealing with fallout 16:07:32 sgallagh: we can basically kick if off whenever, if it's scheduled to go on a Wed I don't see an issue with that 16:08:02 OK, thanks very much 16:08:17 sgallagh: do you think we should change it back to Wednesday then? 16:08:18 Proposal: Keep the originally-approvde Wednesday mass-rebuild" 16:08:39 +1 16:08:40 nirik, pbrobinson: you both ok with this? 16:08:42 +1 16:08:53 * nirik is. Unless there's something I'm not aware of 16:09:14 * jsmith is +1, in the absence of any other information from dgilmore 16:09:39 +1 if dgilmore isn't around 16:09:44 +1 16:09:48 +1 16:10:03 +1 for the record 16:10:22 #agreed Keep the originally-approvde Wednesday mass-rebuild (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) 16:10:30 okay, excellent. next! 16:10:37 #topic #1617 Council update on Third Party Software policy 16:10:38 .fesco 1617 16:10:40 kalev: #1617 (Council update on Third Party Software policy) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1617 16:10:42 cschalle: around? 16:10:46 I am 16:10:54 so I think nirik's last proposal makes a lot of sense 16:11:27 * nirik hopes it meets the councils agreed on thing 16:11:45 yeah, it seems fine 16:11:50 s/approved by a active/approved by an active/ 16:12:01 just one question, what happens for spins that don't fall under an active WG, such as KDE? 16:12:24 is it FESCo deciding then? I don't much want to have the Workstation WG making decisions for the KDE spin 16:12:31 s/critera/criteria/ 16:12:51 kalev: +1 for FESCo fallback 16:13:14 kalev: fair question. i think that's a decent proposal 16:13:31 I think it's reasonable to go to fesco if it's not under any existing working group 16:13:48 /me agrees 16:13:51 kde-sig can make the decision on that? 16:14:03 should this go in the guideline or is it an obvious thing that FESCo is deciding? 16:14:19 well, if there's a SIG then it's like a WG 16:14:34 Rathann: That's not strictly true. 16:15:01 SIGs are just groups. WGs are formally empowered by the Council and FESCo to speak with Fedora's voice 16:15:04 WGs are more formalized than a SIG 16:15:22 ok 16:15:58 I think it may be prudent to go with WGs + FESCo fallback for now and if it turns out it's not working, can always change that later 16:16:15 kalev: +1 16:16:21 I mean, there's nothing stopping the KDE SIG from just making a proposal that FESCo rubber-stamps, either 16:16:24 kalev, +1 16:16:34 KDE is (and always has been) kind of a special case. 16:17:18 * kalev nods. 16:17:28 anyone got any good ideas how to write that in the guideline? 16:18:03 Yeah, one moment. 16:18:06 Drafting 16:18:19 sgallagh++ 16:18:19 kalev: Karma for sgallagh changed to 9 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:18:23 ... by an active Fedora Working Group (for Editions) or FESCo (for Spins) ... 16:18:45 Rathann++ (that was almost exactly what I was drafting) 16:18:46 sgallagh: Karma for rathann changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:18:49 that sounds clear enough for me 16:18:52 :D 16:19:02 Except I was going to say "(for all other deliverables)" rather than Spins 16:19:08 Just to cover edge-cases in advance 16:19:29 that sounds better, yep 16:20:01 sounds good to me. 16:20:18 fine 16:20:25 WORKSFORME 16:20:31 Proposal: approve https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1617#comment:10 with the edit "... by an active Fedora Working Group (for Editions) or FESCo (for all other deliverables) ..." 16:20:36 +1 from me 16:20:41 +1 16:20:50 +1 16:20:53 +1 16:20:56 +1 16:21:04 +1 16:21:27 and with typos corrected ;) 16:21:31 who is going to add it into the wiki page? I guess I can try and do so if no one else wants to. 16:21:52 * nirik nods. fixed typos would be good 16:22:03 nirik: yes, please do! 16:22:27 #agreed Approve https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1617#comment:10 with the edit "... by an active Fedora Working Group (for Editions) or FESCo (for all other deliverables) ..." (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) 16:22:35 ok 16:22:37 * nirik adds a task 16:22:58 excellent. 16:23:00 nirik++ 16:23:00 kalev: Karma for kevin changed to 27 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:23:02 #topic Next week's chair 16:23:08 who wants to chair next week? 16:23:18 * jwb looks at calendar 16:23:44 kalev: i can 16:23:52 * nirik was considering taking next friday off, so I don't want to commit to chairing 16:23:56 #agreed jwb to chair next week 16:23:59 jwb++ 16:23:59 kalev: Karma for jwboyer changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:24:04 * kalev hands out cookies to everyone. 16:24:08 thanks jwb 16:24:10 :) 16:24:12 #topic Open Floor 16:24:23 any other topics? 16:24:29 * jsmith may be on a plane during next week's meeting... apologies in advance 16:24:42 I'll do my best to vote/comment on tickets before the meeting 16:24:54 i have a vague one 16:25:03 One possible thing we might want to be aware of: 16:25:05 .bug 1374691 16:25:05 sgallagh: Bug 1374691 – edk2 package uses and bundles non-hobbled openssl tarball - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1374691 16:25:19 ugh 16:25:46 Actually, looks like that was already fixed today. 16:25:54 We probably need to purge the lookaside cache, though 16:25:59 * kalev nods. 16:26:08 and koji and... yeah. ;( 16:26:42 they can probably just file an infrastructure ticket, or do you want FESCo to approve this before, nirik? 16:26:46 jwb: You had something? 16:26:50 i want to confirm that fesco members received the email I sent yesterday. yes/no is sufficient. 16:26:55 I did 16:27:04 kalev: releng ticket actually. 16:27:12 jwb: Got it, read it, but haven't articulated a response yet 16:27:13 kalev: I don't think we need to approve anything. Just wanted us to be aware of the situation. 16:27:15 and just that is fine I think. 16:27:21 jwb: yep. 16:27:22 Exactly what jsmith said 16:27:27 jwb: ^^ 16:27:34 jwb: I got it and you saw my response already 16:27:40 oh, I can also adjust the list... 16:27:53 nirik: would be nice. if you give me admin, i can do it too 16:27:58 ok, thanks for confirming all 16:28:16 jwb: happy to do that. 16:28:42 ok, looks like that's it for today. thanks for coming folks 16:28:45 * kalev closes the meeting in 30 seconds if there's nothing else. 16:29:29 #endmeeting