16:00:24 <jsmith> #startmeeting FESCO (2017-06-23)
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16:00:24 <jsmith> #meetingname fesco
16:00:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
16:00:24 <jsmith> #chair maxamillion dgilmore jwb nirik jforbes jsmith kalev sgallagh Rathann
16:00:24 <jsmith> #topic init process
16:00:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: Rathann dgilmore jforbes jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik sgallagh
16:00:32 <jsmith> Howdy all...
16:00:36 <nirik> morning
16:00:37 <jsmith> sgallagh: Perfect timing :-)
16:00:38 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
16:00:39 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
16:00:40 <jforbes> .hello jforbes
16:00:42 <jsmith> .hello jsmith
16:00:42 <zodbot> jforbes: jforbes 'Justin M. Forbes' <jforbes@redhat.com>
16:00:45 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com>
16:01:28 <jsmith> We'll wait a minute to try to get a quorum, then get started -- should be a very light agenda today
16:01:49 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion
16:01:50 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com>
16:02:09 <jwb> hi
16:02:42 <jsmith> Yay, we have a quorum :-)
16:02:56 <jsmith> Let's go ahead and get started, and hope some of the others can join
16:03:06 <jsmith> #topic follow-ups
16:03:17 <jsmith> #topic #1690 Self Contained Changes (Java system/command setting)
16:03:17 <jsmith> .fesco 1690
16:03:17 <jsmith> #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690
16:03:19 <zodbot> jsmith: Issue #1690: F27 Self Contained Changes - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690
16:04:12 <maxamillion> ughh ... pagure isn't loading for me :/
16:04:38 * nirik pokes it
16:04:49 <maxamillion> nirik: thanks
16:04:57 <dgilmore> hi
16:05:39 <dgilmore> there is no update on the java one yet
16:05:49 <sgallagh> Looks like we have a request from them to postpone a week
16:05:56 <jsmith> This ticket was updated in the last couple of hours -- they asked that we hold off another week, as they're still in discussions with the JDK team
16:06:01 <jsmith> Any other thoughts before moving on?
16:06:06 <dgilmore> nope
16:06:24 <nirik> sounds good
16:06:43 <jforbes> works for me
16:06:53 <maxamillion> all good her
16:06:56 <maxamillion> here*
16:07:10 <jwb> postpone
16:07:19 <jsmith> #agreed Postpone decision on ticket 1690 another week
16:07:31 <jsmith> #topic #1715 F27 System Wide Change: Rsyslog log format change proposal
16:07:31 <jsmith> .fesco 1715
16:07:32 <zodbot> jsmith: Issue #1715: F27 System Wide Change: Rsyslog log format change proposal - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1715
16:07:44 <jsmith> I haven't seen an update on this :-(
16:08:06 <sgallagh> There have been some small updates
16:08:06 <maxamillion> same
16:08:08 <nirik> there was an additional email on list...
16:08:21 <sgallagh> But I still don't feel particularly comfortable with it
16:08:34 * nirik wonders if the change owner is around
16:09:11 <jforbes> I really feel like this is one where the change owner needs to be present to answer questions for me to consider it
16:09:21 <nirik> seems now
16:09:22 <nirik> not
16:09:25 <jforbes> As it stands, I am not particularly keen on it
16:09:40 <nirik> invite them next week and revisit? or ?
16:09:46 <dgilmore> jforbes: agreed
16:10:13 <maxamillion> jforbes: agreed
16:10:25 <maxamillion> nirik: yeah, that's probably a good idea
16:10:39 * sgallagh nods
16:10:41 <maxamillion> it's possible there's just a communications break down
16:10:56 <jsmith> While there has been some *small* discussion about it, there's still no updates to the wiki page or commitment to help dependent packages
16:10:58 <sgallagh> Wasn't someone from Brno going to reach out to them? Did that happen?
16:11:03 <jforbes> I will actually be out next week, but I trust the opinions of the group
16:11:17 <dgilmore> sgallagh: it was me and I failed
16:13:05 * dgilmore sets todo
16:13:09 <sgallagh> Alright, we'll wait one week and probably deny the Change if they don't discuss it with us?
16:13:14 <jsmith> sgallagh: Works for me...
16:13:24 <maxamillion> sgallagh: +1
16:13:51 <jforbes> sgallagh: +1
16:14:05 <nirik> +1
16:14:52 <jsmith> dgilmore, jwb?
16:15:21 <jwb> i guess
16:15:22 <dgilmore> +1
16:15:30 <jsmith> #agreed Postpone ticket 1715 one more week, but likely deny the change if the change owner doesn't discuss the change with FESCo (+1:7,+0:0,-1:0)
16:15:40 <jsmith> #topic new business
16:15:51 <jsmith> #topic #1619 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules
16:15:51 <jsmith> .fesco 1619
16:15:51 <jsmith> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1619
16:15:56 <zodbot> jsmith: Issue #1619: Sponsorship for packager needs clarification again - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1619
16:16:16 <jsmith> Oops, did I get the wrong ticket number?
16:16:56 <jsmith> Yup, should be 1719
16:17:14 <jsmith> #topic #1719 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules
16:17:14 <jsmith> .fesco 1719
16:17:14 <jsmith> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1719
16:17:14 <zodbot> jsmith: Issue #1719: F27 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1719
16:17:20 <jsmith> That's better...
16:17:49 <nirik> +1 from me.
16:18:06 <sgallagh> From the conversation I had with them on devel@, it sounds like the plan is to move the interpreter into its own subpackage and use the 'perl' package as a metapackage that pulls in all the modules that upstream considers "core"
16:18:19 <sgallagh> This leaves us the option of having a reduced set for special use-cases.
16:18:23 <sgallagh> I'm +1
16:18:29 <jsmith> I'm +1 -- seems sane
16:18:56 <jwb> +0.5
16:19:05 <maxamillion> +1 here
16:19:10 <jforbes> +! here
16:19:14 <jforbes> +1 even
16:19:43 <jsmith> jwb: Care to elaborate?
16:19:56 <maxamillion> seems to make sense and they have a good grasp on how wide spread the impact is
16:20:24 <jwb> i don't understand perl, why anyone would use it, or why this change makes things better so i do not feel comfortable emphatically declaring support for something i don't understand.  but i'm not against it.
16:20:50 <dgilmore> I am in the same boat as jwb
16:22:29 <jsmith> #agreed Allow the change in ticket #1719 (+1:6, +0:0, -1:0)
16:22:40 <jsmith> #topic Next week's chair
16:23:24 <jsmith> Anybody feel like volunteering?
16:23:36 <jsmith> If not, I'll take it again next week.
16:23:50 <sgallagh> I think I may be in a training class during this meeting next week.
16:23:57 <jforbes> I am out next week, though I can pre volunteer for the week after
16:24:14 <jsmith> Should we just skip next week?
16:24:22 <jsmith> Or do you think we'll still have a quorum?
16:25:19 * nirik should be around...
16:25:26 <jwb> when are the next FESCo elections?
16:27:10 <jsmith> Good question -- I want to think they'll be around July, but I don't remember for sure
16:27:12 <maxamillion> jsmith: sorry, I'm multi tasking badly
16:27:16 <maxamillion> jsmith: I can take next week
16:27:16 <jsmith> maxamillion: No worries...
16:27:21 <jsmith> maxamillion: Thanks :-)
16:27:32 <maxamillion> but that'll be me taking it 3 out of 4 weeks so I'm going to not for a bit after that ;)
16:27:43 <jsmith> #agreed maxamillion to chair next week, jforbes the week after that
16:27:49 <maxamillion> \o/
16:27:50 <jsmith> maxamillion: understood :-)
16:28:01 <jsmith> #topic Open Floor
16:28:19 <maxamillion> oh yeah, my chair is up for re-election this cycle
16:28:47 <jforbes> maxamillion: next week, volunteer me for the week after since I won't be here to speak up
16:29:08 <maxamillion> jforbes: I'll try very hard to remember :)
16:29:21 <jsmith> maxamillion: And I'll try hard to remind you :-)
16:29:39 <jforbes> I won't be offended if you don't, but figured it was about time again
16:29:57 * jsmith lights the fuse.... if there are no other topics for the Open Floor, the meeting will end shortly (with a bang!)
16:30:48 <dgilmore> just a reminder
16:30:59 <dgilmore> F27 change deadline is really fast approaching
16:31:30 <dgilmore> #action all: get your Fedora 27 changes in the deadline for System wide is July 4th
16:31:36 <dgilmore> that is all
16:31:37 <nirik> and f26 final freeze is also fast approaching. ;)
16:31:43 <dgilmore> and that
16:32:20 <jsmith> OK folks... with those great reminders, I'll go ahead and wrap up.
16:32:23 <jsmith> Thanks everyone!
16:32:30 <jsmith> #endmeeting