16:00:24 #startmeeting FESCO (2017-06-23) 16:00:24 Meeting started Fri Jun 23 16:00:24 2017 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:24 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2017-06-23)' 16:00:24 #meetingname fesco 16:00:24 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 16:00:24 #chair maxamillion dgilmore jwb nirik jforbes jsmith kalev sgallagh Rathann 16:00:24 #topic init process 16:00:24 Current chairs: Rathann dgilmore jforbes jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik sgallagh 16:00:32 Howdy all... 16:00:36 morning 16:00:37 sgallagh: Perfect timing :-) 16:00:38 .hello sgallagh 16:00:39 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 16:00:40 .hello jforbes 16:00:42 .hello jsmith 16:00:42 jforbes: jforbes 'Justin M. Forbes' 16:00:45 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' 16:01:28 We'll wait a minute to try to get a quorum, then get started -- should be a very light agenda today 16:01:49 .hello maxamillion 16:01:50 maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' 16:02:09 hi 16:02:42 Yay, we have a quorum :-) 16:02:56 Let's go ahead and get started, and hope some of the others can join 16:03:06 #topic follow-ups 16:03:17 #topic #1690 Self Contained Changes (Java system/command setting) 16:03:17 .fesco 1690 16:03:17 #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690 16:03:19 jsmith: Issue #1690: F27 Self Contained Changes - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1690 16:04:12 ughh ... pagure isn't loading for me :/ 16:04:38 * nirik pokes it 16:04:49 nirik: thanks 16:04:57 hi 16:05:39 there is no update on the java one yet 16:05:49 Looks like we have a request from them to postpone a week 16:05:56 This ticket was updated in the last couple of hours -- they asked that we hold off another week, as they're still in discussions with the JDK team 16:06:01 Any other thoughts before moving on? 16:06:06 nope 16:06:24 sounds good 16:06:43 works for me 16:06:53 all good her 16:06:56 here* 16:07:10 postpone 16:07:19 #agreed Postpone decision on ticket 1690 another week 16:07:31 #topic #1715 F27 System Wide Change: Rsyslog log format change proposal 16:07:31 .fesco 1715 16:07:32 jsmith: Issue #1715: F27 System Wide Change: Rsyslog log format change proposal - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1715 16:07:44 I haven't seen an update on this :-( 16:08:06 There have been some small updates 16:08:06 same 16:08:08 there was an additional email on list... 16:08:21 But I still don't feel particularly comfortable with it 16:08:34 * nirik wonders if the change owner is around 16:09:11 I really feel like this is one where the change owner needs to be present to answer questions for me to consider it 16:09:21 seems now 16:09:22 not 16:09:25 As it stands, I am not particularly keen on it 16:09:40 invite them next week and revisit? or ? 16:09:46 jforbes: agreed 16:10:13 jforbes: agreed 16:10:25 nirik: yeah, that's probably a good idea 16:10:39 * sgallagh nods 16:10:41 it's possible there's just a communications break down 16:10:56 While there has been some *small* discussion about it, there's still no updates to the wiki page or commitment to help dependent packages 16:10:58 Wasn't someone from Brno going to reach out to them? Did that happen? 16:11:03 I will actually be out next week, but I trust the opinions of the group 16:11:17 sgallagh: it was me and I failed 16:13:05 * dgilmore sets todo 16:13:09 Alright, we'll wait one week and probably deny the Change if they don't discuss it with us? 16:13:14 sgallagh: Works for me... 16:13:24 sgallagh: +1 16:13:51 sgallagh: +1 16:14:05 +1 16:14:52 dgilmore, jwb? 16:15:21 i guess 16:15:22 +1 16:15:30 #agreed Postpone ticket 1715 one more week, but likely deny the change if the change owner doesn't discuss the change with FESCo (+1:7,+0:0,-1:0) 16:15:40 #topic new business 16:15:51 #topic #1619 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules 16:15:51 .fesco 1619 16:15:51 https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1619 16:15:56 jsmith: Issue #1619: Sponsorship for packager needs clarification again - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1619 16:16:16 Oops, did I get the wrong ticket number? 16:16:56 Yup, should be 1719 16:17:14 #topic #1719 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules 16:17:14 .fesco 1719 16:17:14 https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1719 16:17:14 jsmith: Issue #1719: F27 System Wide Change: perl Package to Install Core Modules - fesco - Pagure - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1719 16:17:20 That's better... 16:17:49 +1 from me. 16:18:06 From the conversation I had with them on devel@, it sounds like the plan is to move the interpreter into its own subpackage and use the 'perl' package as a metapackage that pulls in all the modules that upstream considers "core" 16:18:19 This leaves us the option of having a reduced set for special use-cases. 16:18:23 I'm +1 16:18:29 I'm +1 -- seems sane 16:18:56 +0.5 16:19:05 +1 here 16:19:10 +! here 16:19:14 +1 even 16:19:43 jwb: Care to elaborate? 16:19:56 seems to make sense and they have a good grasp on how wide spread the impact is 16:20:24 i don't understand perl, why anyone would use it, or why this change makes things better so i do not feel comfortable emphatically declaring support for something i don't understand. but i'm not against it. 16:20:50 I am in the same boat as jwb 16:22:29 #agreed Allow the change in ticket #1719 (+1:6, +0:0, -1:0) 16:22:40 #topic Next week's chair 16:23:24 Anybody feel like volunteering? 16:23:36 If not, I'll take it again next week. 16:23:50 I think I may be in a training class during this meeting next week. 16:23:57 I am out next week, though I can pre volunteer for the week after 16:24:14 Should we just skip next week? 16:24:22 Or do you think we'll still have a quorum? 16:25:19 * nirik should be around... 16:25:26 when are the next FESCo elections? 16:27:10 Good question -- I want to think they'll be around July, but I don't remember for sure 16:27:12 jsmith: sorry, I'm multi tasking badly 16:27:16 jsmith: I can take next week 16:27:16 maxamillion: No worries... 16:27:21 maxamillion: Thanks :-) 16:27:32 but that'll be me taking it 3 out of 4 weeks so I'm going to not for a bit after that ;) 16:27:43 #agreed maxamillion to chair next week, jforbes the week after that 16:27:49 \o/ 16:27:50 maxamillion: understood :-) 16:28:01 #topic Open Floor 16:28:19 oh yeah, my chair is up for re-election this cycle 16:28:47 maxamillion: next week, volunteer me for the week after since I won't be here to speak up 16:29:08 jforbes: I'll try very hard to remember :) 16:29:21 maxamillion: And I'll try hard to remind you :-) 16:29:39 I won't be offended if you don't, but figured it was about time again 16:29:57 * jsmith lights the fuse.... if there are no other topics for the Open Floor, the meeting will end shortly (with a bang!) 16:30:48 just a reminder 16:30:59 F27 change deadline is really fast approaching 16:31:30 #action all: get your Fedora 27 changes in the deadline for System wide is July 4th 16:31:36 that is all 16:31:37 and f26 final freeze is also fast approaching. ;) 16:31:43 and that 16:32:20 OK folks... with those great reminders, I'll go ahead and wrap up. 16:32:23 Thanks everyone! 16:32:30 #endmeeting