15:00:42 <zbyszek> #startmeeting FESCO (2019-11-25)
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15:00:42 <zbyszek> #meetingname fesco
15:00:42 <zbyszek> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, jforbes, zbyszek, bookwar, sgallagh, contyk, mhroncok, otaylor
15:00:42 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
15:00:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: bookwar contyk ignatenkobrain jforbes mhroncok nirik otaylor sgallagh zbyszek
15:00:45 <zbyszek> #topic init process
15:00:49 <jforbes> .hello2
15:00:49 <zbyszek> .hello2
15:00:50 <zodbot> jforbes: jforbes 'Justin M. Forbes' <jforbes@redhat.com>
15:00:51 <contyk> .hello psabata
15:00:54 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
15:00:57 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
15:01:01 <bookwar> .hello2
15:01:02 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
15:01:40 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2
15:01:41 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>
15:01:47 <zbyszek> So we have quorum. Let's go.
15:01:51 <ignatenkobrain> Unfortunately I'll have to go in 15 minutes =(
15:01:51 <zbyszek> #topic #2285 Make Eclipse Installable
15:01:52 <zbyszek> .fesco 2285
15:01:53 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2285: Make Eclipse Installable - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2285
15:02:03 <zbyszek> I put this on the agenda, but it seems there's some progress...
15:02:09 <zbyszek> https://pagure.io/fm-orchestrator/pull-request/1526#request_diff
15:03:13 <zbyszek> I guess FESCo doesn't need to weigh in at this point.
15:03:23 <mbooth> Yeah, I was hoping to have rebuilt the Eclipse modules by now, but I was beset by infrastructure problems, as you can see.
15:03:50 <contyk> yes, this should be set
15:04:01 <bookwar> are we agree that setting a default module for eclipse for f31 solves the issue for now?
15:04:08 <otaylor> .hello2
15:04:09 <zodbot> otaylor: otaylor 'Owen Taylor' <otaylor@redhat.com>
15:04:34 <jforbes> Right, so it looks like setting the default module for F31 fixes the issue there, and that was the heart of the FESCo request right?
15:04:47 <bookwar> i think if it is only MBS and infra issues which are in the way, we can approve the default steam and let mbooth finish with the work
15:05:00 <jforbes> The other bits being rawhide issues, which seem to be in progress?
15:05:49 <mbooth> jforbes: Rawhide issues should also be solved by the rebuild -- different infrastructure problem.
15:06:53 <jforbes> Right. but my point was, we were originally asked to vote on making the default module for F31, which would be currently working if we voted to do so?
15:07:39 <mbooth> Yes
15:07:43 <jforbes> Just seems that if it would solve the problem now, why wait a week?
15:08:10 <bookwar> +1
15:09:47 <zbyszek> There's also the question of testing the stream before unleashing it on F31 users.
15:10:16 <jforbes> zbyszek: F31 is testable, and working per the ticket
15:10:27 <ignatenkobrain> if rawhide will have default stream for eclipse, I'm fine with adding it for F31. however, I'd like to see more testing.
15:11:54 <bookwar> i don't think verification should be done by fesco to be honest, and given by the fact that we don't make it worse then now..
15:12:15 <bookwar> i'd say maintainers should verify it
15:12:28 <bookwar> and users :)
15:12:36 <zbyszek> So... if someone feels they grok the details, please make a Proposal.
15:13:25 <bookwar> proposal: Allow setting the default stream for eclipse module in F31
15:13:56 <jforbes> I would append that, with F32 once the rebuild finishes
15:14:30 <jforbes> proposal Allow setting the default stream for F31 now, and F32 once the rebuild finishes and it is verified to work
15:14:42 <bookwar> ok
15:15:08 <contyk> +1
15:15:13 <zbyszek> Is the comma in that place on purpose (i.e. no verification is needed on F31) ?
15:15:23 <jforbes> F31 has been verified
15:17:27 <zbyszek> -0. I think the details are still unclear, and I don't like applying clearly alpha-quality solutions to a stable release.
15:17:50 <zbyszek> But OTOH, I don't have enough information to vote -1.
15:18:02 <jforbes> zbyszek: not sure how they can be clarified more, we have 3 tickets on this and it has drug on for weeks
15:18:40 <jforbes> In the meantime, eclipse is not available for F31 users
15:18:50 <bookwar> zbyszek: how do you expect this to be clarified? by whom?
15:19:58 <bookwar> java maintainers have verified it, do we need fedora qa approval? we don;t usually do that for individual package updates and eclipse in its current state somehow passed qa verification :)
15:20:13 <bookwar> so i don't think we are against release criteria here
15:20:29 <zbyszek> There's a number of patches and changes in flight, and I'm simply not involved enough to understand all of them.
15:20:31 <mbooth> bookwar: Sadly Eclipse does not come under and release criteria :-)
15:21:02 <jforbes> zbyszek: Those are for F32 which is why that one needs verification
15:21:12 <mbooth> Which is why I could get freeze exception, but not blocker status
15:21:59 <zbyszek> Ack. Anyway, I think it is OK if we don't have unanimity here.
15:22:26 <bookwar> jforbes: +1
15:23:19 <jforbes> zbyszek: Sure, though right now I count (+3,1,-0)
15:23:33 <zbyszek> ignatenkobrain: are you still with us?
15:23:47 <jforbes> and otaylor ?
15:24:20 <otaylor> +1
15:24:49 <zbyszek> This is not enough to pass. I'll ask votes in the ticket.
15:25:06 <contyk> ack
15:25:16 <zbyszek> I think we should move on, unless somebody want to discuss this more.
15:25:46 <jforbes> Well, if ignatenkobrain were to vote +1 that would put us at (+5,1,-0)
15:26:07 <zbyszek> #info There were not enough votes to decide the matter. We'll continue voting in the ticket.
15:26:10 <zbyszek> #topic Next week's chair
15:26:12 <zbyszek> Any takers?
15:26:29 <jforbes> I can do it again
15:26:39 <zbyszek> #action jforbes will chair next meeting.
15:26:42 <zbyszek> Thanks!
15:26:45 <zbyszek> #topic Open Floor
15:27:24 <jforbes> Remember to vote if you haven't already
15:27:33 <zbyszek> Right.
15:27:40 <zbyszek> If nothing else, I'll close in a minute.
15:28:50 <zbyszek> #endmeeting