15:00:40 <jforbes> #startmeeting FESCO (2019-12-02)
15:00:40 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Dec  2 15:00:40 2019 UTC.
15:00:40 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location.
15:00:40 <zodbot> The chair is jforbes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00:40 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
15:00:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2019-12-02)'
15:00:41 <jforbes> #meetingname fesco
15:00:41 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
15:00:41 <jforbes> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, jforbes, zbyszek, bookwar, sgallagh, contyk, mhroncok, otaylor
15:00:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: bookwar contyk ignatenkobrain jforbes mhroncok nirik otaylor sgallagh zbyszek
15:00:42 <jforbes> #topic init process
15:00:56 <zbyszek> .hello2
15:00:57 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
15:01:12 <nirik> morning
15:01:22 <sgallagh> .hello2
15:01:23 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
15:01:56 <mhroncok_mobile> Hey. I'm on my way from the vet. My battery is very low. Will try to participate, but might disappear.
15:02:04 <contyk> .hello psabata
15:02:05 <bcotton> .hello2
15:02:05 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
15:02:08 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:02:20 * nirik hopes it's not too serious/works out ok for mhroncok_mobile
15:02:30 <jforbes> indeed
15:02:55 <mhroncok_mobile> Thanks.
15:03:29 <mbooth> I went to the vet too, today. I hope it's nothing serious mhroncok_mobile
15:03:43 <jforbes> #topic #2285 Make Eclipse Installable
15:03:46 <jforbes> .fesco 2285
15:03:47 <zodbot> jforbes: Issue #2285: Make Eclipse Installable - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2285
15:03:51 <bookwar> .hello2
15:03:52 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
15:04:14 <jforbes> So this was put on hold last week because we didn't have enough votes, the biggest complaint being enabling for F31 when F32 wasn't ready
15:04:21 <jforbes> F32 is now ready
15:05:53 <bookwar> Miro and i voted in the ticket
15:06:11 <bookwar> let's vote on default stream for f31 and f32 ?
15:06:16 <jforbes> Proposal "Eclipse can be set as the default stream for F31 and F32"
15:06:17 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2
15:06:18 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com>
15:06:27 <sgallagh> +1
15:06:32 <contyk> +1
15:06:58 <sgallagh> mhroncok_mobile: and bookwar are +1 in the ticket
15:07:06 <sgallagh> So one more should make it official
15:07:13 <jforbes> +1 here
15:07:13 <ignatenkobrain_> sorry for being late
15:07:16 <zbyszek> 0, because there isn't enough direct technical reason to block this, but in the long run, I think this a wrong solution and enabling the default module will only cause more work.
15:08:05 <sgallagh> mbooth: Is eclipse a BR for other projects? Are we going to need to consider adding it to the non-modular buildroot as well?
15:08:12 <mhroncok_mobile> I will note again that a change proposal would be much appreciated. However, I won't block on that.
15:08:14 <sgallagh> I'm guessing not, but I should ask
15:08:48 <zbyszek> People who are doing this clearly believe that this will work, but to me it seems we have to add another bandaid every time something is changed.
15:09:00 <jforbes> ignatenkobrain_: we are voting on Proposal "Eclipse can be set as the default stream for F31 and F32"
15:09:00 <ignatenkobrain_> just random question (sorry if it was discussed already): Do we block F32 or any other release on DNF auto-switching module dependencies?
15:09:14 * nirik had a lockup here, sorry.
15:09:16 <nirik> +1 from me too
15:09:31 <ignatenkobrain_> because IIRC eclipse module depends on maven module, so we need to have 2 default streams
15:09:46 <ignatenkobrain_> and at some point it is going to update and we will have same problem as with libgit2
15:09:51 <ignatenkobrain_> (to some extent)
15:10:28 <nirik> we have https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1767351 blocking now...
15:11:38 <zbyszek> We can use the same "solution" for 1767351 as for 31 ;|
15:11:51 <jforbes> ignatenkobrain_: do you have a vote?
15:11:59 <ignatenkobrain_> nirik, thanks. In this case I will be -0. It would be nice to get commitment from DNF team to actually fix this issue.
15:12:11 <jforbes> #agreed Eclipse can be set as the default stream for F31 and F32 (+6,2,-0)
15:12:27 <jforbes> #topic Next week's chair
15:12:32 <nirik> ignatenkobrain_: yeah. ;(
15:12:34 <ignatenkobrain_> I can volunteer
15:13:11 <mbooth> sgallagh: Short answer, nothing in eclipse module is a BR for anything else. People building Eclipse based stuff should require the tycho module
15:13:15 <jforbes> Thanks ignatenkobrain_
15:13:26 <sgallagh> mbooth: Thanks
15:13:32 <sgallagh> Just clarifying
15:13:46 <jforbes> ##action ignatenkobrain_ will chair next meeting
15:13:50 <jforbes> #action ignatenkobrain_ will chair next meeting
15:13:54 <jforbes> #topic Open Floor
15:14:04 * zbyszek has something
15:14:53 <zbyszek> .fesco 2267
15:14:54 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2267: Python 2 exception: sugar desktop environment - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2267
15:15:08 <zbyszek> A request was made, but a list of packages hasn't been provided.
15:15:30 <zbyszek> The request without a concrete list of packages is not actionable, because python maintainers do not know what not to retire.
15:15:57 <zbyszek> Proposal: close the request, and ask the submitters to reopen with a concrete list of packages.
15:16:14 <ignatenkobrain_> +1
15:16:21 <nirik> is there some way to generate the list? say the contents of the spin?
15:16:24 <zbyszek> The retirement of sugar-related packaged would be delayed until the end of the year, so the maintainers have to resubmit the ticket.
15:16:41 <zbyszek> nirik: somebody who is involved in the project should do it...
15:16:55 <jforbes> fair
15:16:57 <zbyszek> Trying to second-guess it doesn't make much sense imho.
15:17:06 <nirik> sure... understood.
15:17:24 <zbyszek> Esp. that active porting is going on, so it's not clear which components are planned to stay, and which are ready to be updated.
15:17:32 <nirik> I guess I am +1 to close and let them reopen with the list... or just wait more...
15:18:37 <jforbes> +1
15:18:55 <zbyszek> Either way, it gives a month to react, so I think it should be OK.
15:19:28 <mhroncok_mobile> +1
15:19:36 <contyk> yeah, +1
15:20:02 <contyk> I'd close and let them reopen if needed
15:21:01 <zbyszek> bookwar?
15:21:10 <jforbes> bookwar ignatenkobrain sgallagh ?
15:21:21 <zbyszek> ignatenkobrain_ boted
15:21:25 <zbyszek> *voted, sorry
15:21:29 <sgallagh> Sorry, got distracted
15:21:42 <sgallagh> +1 to close and let them reopen
15:21:44 <jforbes> Oh, early, missed that
15:22:31 <jforbes> #agreed Python 2 exception: sugar desktop environment close the request, and ask the submitters to reopen with a concrete list of packages. (+7,0,0)
15:22:44 <jforbes> Anyting else for open floor?
15:23:12 <jforbes> If not, closing in 2 mins
15:25:06 <jforbes> #endmeeting