15:00:15 <mhroncok> #startmeeting FESCO (2020-03-09)
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15:00:22 <mhroncok> #meetingname fesco
15:00:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
15:00:33 <mhroncok> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, bookwar, sgallagh, contyk, mhroncok, dcantrell
15:00:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: bookwar contyk dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek
15:00:39 <nirik> morning
15:00:40 <contyk> .hello psabata
15:00:41 <mhroncok> #topic init process
15:00:41 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
15:00:42 <sgallagh> .hello2
15:00:44 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
15:00:44 <zbyszek> .hello2
15:00:46 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
15:01:05 <dcantrell> .hello2
15:01:06 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
15:01:07 <mhroncok> that's a quorum
15:01:15 <decathorpe> .hello2
15:01:15 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
15:01:59 <bookwar> .hello2
15:02:00 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
15:03:02 <mhroncok> #topic #2345 Nonresponsive maintainer: Dervim Gündüz (devrim)
15:03:12 <mhroncok> .fesco 2345
15:03:14 <zodbot> mhroncok: Issue #2345: Nonresponsive maintainer: Dervim Gündüz (devrim) - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2345
15:04:14 <mhroncok> so, here I probably misunderstood the maintainer. but he has all the information to claim any packages back. if tehy don't do that in 6 weeks, I guess they really are  not very responsive
15:04:59 <mhroncok> thoughts?
15:05:31 <nirik> their comment was 5 days ago?
15:05:32 <sgallagh> mhroncok: Are they still a comaintainer?
15:05:33 <zbyszek> yep, devrim has only provided one comment.
15:05:42 <decathorpe> "keep me as co-maintainer" sounds like "I don't want to be main maintainer anymore" to me
15:05:44 <sgallagh> Or did we remove them entirely?
15:05:48 <mhroncok> sgallagh: yes, on orpahnd packages
15:05:54 <sgallagh> ok
15:06:02 <sgallagh> Then I don't really see anything for us to do
15:06:15 <mhroncok> proposal: close as accepted, do nothing
15:06:23 <sgallagh> +1
15:06:24 <zbyszek> +1
15:06:25 <dcantrell> +1
15:06:28 <contyk> +1
15:06:37 <nirik> +1
15:06:48 <decathorpe> +1. if they want to take the packages back, they just need to click the "Take" button ...
15:06:55 <mhroncok> decathorpe: yes
15:07:00 <mhroncok> bookwar: ?
15:07:35 <mhroncok> #agree APPROVED (+7, 0, -0)
15:07:36 <nirik> might note for the record where the take button is. ;)
15:07:46 <mhroncok> #info close as accepted, do nothing
15:07:47 <nirik> (in case they just aren't sure)
15:08:03 <mhroncok> #action mhroncok to note how to take a package in the ticket
15:08:10 <mhroncok> #topic Next week's chair
15:08:26 <zbyszek> I can do it.
15:08:30 <zbyszek> Haven't in a while.
15:08:43 <mhroncok> #action zbyszek to chair next week's meeting
15:08:51 <mhroncok> #topic Open Floor
15:09:18 <mhroncok> who wants the floor?
15:09:33 <zbyszek> How are we doing on the front of making upgrades to F32 work smoothly?
15:09:43 <nirik> getting there.
15:09:49 <mhroncok> zbyszek: there are some unfixed blockers
15:10:07 <mhroncok> zbyszek: namely resetting default streams via packagekit
15:10:57 <mhroncok> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/
15:10:58 <decathorpe> isn't "dnf system-upgrade" the only supported upgrade method?
15:11:15 <sgallagh> decathorpe: No
15:11:16 <zbyszek> decathorpe: no, also the graphical upgrade should work.
15:11:24 <sgallagh> The GNOME Software approach is also supported
15:11:35 <decathorpe> i thought gnome-software is using dnf system-upgrade under the hood :/
15:11:45 <mhroncok> decathorpe: it uses PackageKit
15:11:46 <sgallagh> Of course not!
15:11:50 <nirik> mhroncok: there's a working set of dnf/dnf-plugins now for that
15:12:04 <sgallagh> Though there are medium-term plans to replace PackageKit with a daemon built and maintained by DNF
15:12:12 <sgallagh> nirik: ORLY?
15:12:29 <zbyszek> There was a big discussion on fedora-devel... "DNF 5".
15:12:31 <nirik> for the module reset... adamw has been hacking on it. ;)
15:12:42 <mhroncok> and he seem to figured it out
15:12:44 <sgallagh> zbyszek: That may have happened when I was on vacation
15:13:00 <sgallagh> I declared email bankruptcy. I'll go read back.
15:13:08 <zbyszek> OK, I wanted to raise the subject, but it seems things are going in the right direction.
15:13:38 <nirik> sgallagh: yeah, see the end of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1767351
15:13:41 <zbyszek> Once we add more python2 packages to fedora-obsolete-packages, we should be pretty good on the upgrade path.
15:13:46 <sgallagh> Thank you
15:14:03 <mhroncok> zbyszek: feel free to send me a list
15:14:23 <zbyszek> mhroncok: OK.
15:14:43 <decathorpe> ± a few updates that are in f31 and f33 but missing from f32
15:14:46 <mhroncok> I have updated the list pragmatically, but it misses packages that don't actually require python2 directly (such as wxPython-devel etc.)
15:15:07 <mhroncok> zbyszek: also, the postgresql 12 change seem to be not actually done
15:15:47 <mhroncok> will try to open a blocker for that
15:15:48 * zbyszek upgraded to F32 yesterday and is very happy so far
15:16:15 <mhroncok> ok... anything else? or I will give you free time
15:16:32 <zbyszek> Not from me.
15:17:04 <mhroncok> #info I will send the meeting minutes later in the evening, I am not on a good connection
15:17:16 <mhroncok> ending in ~1 minute
15:17:18 <zbyszek> mhroncok: I see postgresql-12.2-1.fc32 here...
15:17:27 <mhroncok> zbyszek: but nothign has beenr ebuilt
15:17:30 <mhroncok> been rebuilt
15:17:49 <zbyszek> Oh.
15:17:54 <decathorpe> can confirm.
15:18:18 <decathorpe> stuff still requires postgresql 11, and now has broken dependencies
15:18:39 <nirik> :(
15:18:55 <mhroncok> exactly
15:19:33 <mhroncok> #action #mhroncok to open "Revert to PostgreSQL 11 or rebuilt dependent packages with 12" bug and request a blocker status
15:19:37 <mhroncok> #undo
15:19:37 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by mhroncok at 15:19:33 : #mhroncok to open "Revert to PostgreSQL 11 or rebuilt dependent packages with 12" bug and request a blocker status
15:19:41 <mhroncok> #action mhroncok to open "Revert to PostgreSQL 11 or rebuilt dependent packages with 12" bug and request a blocker status
15:20:00 <sgallagh> mhroncok: Report it as "multiple packages have broken dependencies due to PSQL 12"
15:20:10 <sgallagh> Rather than dictating the courses of action
15:20:12 <zbyszek> Also s/rebuilt/rebuild/
15:20:22 <mhroncok> #undo
15:20:22 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by mhroncok at 15:19:41 : mhroncok to open "Revert to PostgreSQL 11 or rebuilt dependent packages with 12" bug and request a blocker status
15:20:46 <mhroncok> #action mhroncok to open "Multiple packages have broken dependencies due to PostgreSQL 12" bug and request a blocker status
15:20:51 <mhroncok> sgallagh: ack?
15:21:20 <sgallagh> ack
15:21:37 * mhroncok contacted the change owner trough e-mail and tracking BZ, but so far no reply
15:22:02 <mhroncok> anyway, will end the meeting now-ish
15:22:42 <decathorpe> affects: orafce, pgRouting, pgaudit, phsphere, postgis, postgres-decoderbufs, postgres-ip4r, postgresql-pgpool-II-extensions, postgresql-plruby, rdkit-postgresql, rhdb-utils, timescaledb. just for reference
15:23:16 <mhroncok> #endmeeting