15:04:25 #startmeeting FESCO (2020-12-16) 15:04:25 Meeting started Wed Dec 16 15:04:25 2020 UTC. 15:04:25 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:04:25 The chair is decathorpe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:25 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2020-12-16)' 15:04:33 #meetingname fesco 15:04:33 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 15:04:46 #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, cverna, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 15:04:46 Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek 15:04:49 #topic init process 15:05:03 .hello2 15:05:03 * nirik is bleary eyed, but here. :) 15:05:03 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 15:05:05 Sorry I'm late. 15:05:22 nobody is late yet ;) 15:05:47 hey all 15:05:53 .hello ngompa 15:05:54 King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' 15:06:01 good morning / evening 15:06:10 .hello2 15:06:11 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 15:06:16 While we're waiting: King_InuYasha how are the packaging fixes for pipewire going? 15:06:32 going through them in Rawhide today 15:06:44 I just got the presets in fedora-release in last night's compose 15:06:45 * nirik tried pipewire in rawhide the other day, it was... not functional for me. ;( 15:08:04 well, a quorum is present, should we start? 15:09:15 Please. 15:09:27 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/IEZWN2D3FZNZJIS432I3TKDWVGEZD7SW/ Schedule 15:09:57 #topic #2519 F34 Change: GitRepos-master-to-main 15:10:06 .fesco 2519 15:10:07 decathorpe: Issue #2519: F34 Change: GitRepos-master-to-main - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2519 15:10:27 Starting with an easy one! 15:10:32 <.< 15:10:32 :) 15:10:33 >.> 15:10:42 It's also the only one. So there was no choice 15:10:45 C'mon, we're in violent agreement here! 15:10:46 ha. 15:10:47 heh 15:10:57 zbyszek: Well, violent at least! 15:11:06 you have only one choice... :) 15:11:24 Well, we all agree on the need to rebuild the bike shed, but can't agree on the color. 15:11:27 >_> 15:11:52 Most seem to favor having the branch name be "rawhide", and having a symref "main" -> "rawhide" is fine, but having a symref from "master" is not. Is this a fair summary? 15:11:57 It seems most logical to me to just symref main and rawhide... what problem does that cause for folks? 15:12:14 decathorpe: seems like it 15:12:24 yeah. 15:12:30 decathorpe: that's what I think so too. It also matches mhroncok's summary. 15:12:51 nirik: I can foresee a future where we could potentially have a collision between the meaning of `main` from two disparate sources. 15:13:03 I'm not sure it's very visible on a symref which is the branch and which is a symref... 15:13:06 However, it's not a hill I care to die on 15:13:22 sgallagh: Well, if that future comes, we can always delete the old "main" symref? 15:13:32 Can we? 15:14:02 sure, but if people have that checked out they will need to switch branch or reclone. 15:14:11 The problem with having the symref is that consumers will rely on it, which means we'll have to maintain it or break them. 15:14:19 sgallagh: what about the future where we rename rawhide? 15:14:29 Same as it is with "master" now, isn't it? 15:14:35 decathorpe: yep. 15:14:42 Still less likely to conflict with industry standards. 15:14:43 Then I don't see the problem. 15:15:05 decathorpe: Yes, it's no *worse* than today. But as we have an opportunity to fix it as part of this, it seems like an opportune time 15:15:28 * nirik isn't clear on what you are fixing. 15:15:37 As I said, I don't plan to die on this hill, so if everyone else is fine with just ignoring it, let's move on 15:15:41 sgallagh: so you're only objecting to the "main" -> "rawhide" symref? 15:15:47 right 15:16:02 the only hill I'm going to die on is using anything other than "rawhide" to replace "master" 15:16:13 everything else, I'm less strong on 15:16:15 I think thats important to have around because all the other places are moving to that... may be scripts or the like people have that assume it... and I don't see the harm 15:16:32 I propose to split this into three parts, and vote on them separately. Objections? 15:17:20 sure I guess. I don't think more discussion is going to help probobibly. 15:17:50 I've said my piece. Since no one else seems to agree, I withdraw it. 15:18:00 Feel free to just make the singular proposal 15:18:22 Okay, here goes. 15:18:35 * nirik notes he may have to adjust the times in the change now some. But that should be minor. 15:18:50 The times? 15:19:05 Proposal: Approve proposal to rename branch names from "master" to "main" except in dist-git-like repositories with branches matching fedora releases, where "rawhide" is preferred. 15:19:09 the dates. I expected this to go to fesco last week. 15:19:26 Phase0 - 2020-12-14 (2 days ago), etc. 15:19:32 ack 15:19:39 lgtm 15:19:43 Where the new default branch will be "rawhide", create symbolic refs from "main" to "rawhide". 15:19:45 +1 here (but I am biased ) 15:20:01 decathorpe: That's all part of the same proposal? 15:20:14 sgallagh: I am not fast enough with typing :) 15:20:16 (Just confirming) 15:20:18 so yes 15:20:25 +1 15:20:36 decathorpe: +1 15:20:46 I am +1 as well 15:21:18 zbyszek? 15:21:22 I'm ±0 on the symlink. +1 to the main change. 15:21:45 I'll count that as 0 then. 15:22:22 mhroncok's vote in the ticket should count as +1, unless I misread something? 15:22:40 decathorpe: yes, mhroncok was +1 15:23:25 I'm counting (+5, 1, -0). are we in agreement? 15:23:48 decathorpe: hmm, is that for the Proposal above? 15:24:23 yes 15:24:31 It just didn't fit into one message. 15:24:53 zbyszek: should I count you as +1 overall then? 15:24:59 Then please count me as +1. I only said that I'm lukewarm on the detail of making the symbolic link from "main" to "rawhide". 15:25:13 okay, thank you for clarifying. then we are at (+6, 0, -0)? 15:25:38 I will also paste the text of my proposal into the ticket for reference. 15:26:47 * nirik will teak the dates and add branch names decision from here in. 15:27:45 nirik++ 15:27:45 sgallagh: Karma for kevin changed to 18 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:27:51 #agree APPROVED (+6, 0, -0) 15:27:56 See, that wasn't so bad :-) 15:28:38 nirik++, bcotton++, pingou++, mboddu++ thank you for driving this change. 15:28:38 zbyszek: Karma for mohanboddu changed to 9 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:29:39 any other comments for this topic? 15:29:49 till++ too obviously 15:29:49 zbyszek: Karma for till changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:30:45 moving on. 15:30:53 #topic Next Week's Chair 15:31:07 I will not be around next week' 15:31:26 * nirik definitely will not be around the next 2 weeks. ;) 15:31:31 I'd rather not be as well. FESCo meeting isn't a good birthday present ;) 15:32:02 decathorpe: Congratulations on another solar circumnavigation! 15:32:19 well, not yet, but thank you :) 15:32:42 So, meet on the 6th? 15:32:54 zbyszek: +1 15:32:57 zbyszek: that's what I was about to suggest as well. 15:33:19 +1 15:33:35 Any volunteers for the first meeting in 2021? 15:33:43 decathorpe: I can do it. 15:34:11 thanks! 15:34:28 #action zbyszek to chair next meeting (on Jan. 06, 2021) 15:34:42 #topic Open Floor 15:35:20 can I throw in .fesco2522 into the fray? 15:35:30 .fesco 2522 15:35:31 zbyszek: Issue #2522: Nonresponsive maintainer: Sergey Avseyev avsej - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2522 15:36:04 defolos: I think we can just vote in the ticket. 15:36:08 defolos: I saw the ticket, but it wasn't even a day old, so I didn't see a need to hurry. Is there anything you'd like us to do? 15:36:37 ah, I am not really familiar with the procedure 15:36:54 just wanted to move it forward before the chrstimas break so that I can finally update bear 15:38:06 if that can happen in the ticket, then I'm more than fine with that 15:38:22 defolos: Do you want to become comaintainer? 15:39:08 zbyszek: actually no, I don't. But if that's the only way how to update the package, then I'll do it. 15:40:30 The problem is that if there's just one maintainer, and we drop the maintainer as nonresponsive, we'll eventually retire the package. 15:40:37 So if you could pick it up, that'd be great. 15:40:50 Assuming nobody votes against it, you will get co-maintainer access early, so you can fix the problem. Then the package will be orphaned later, which is the next problem :) 15:40:58 I see avsej hasn't committed to the package in 11 months... 15:41:05 as I said, I'll do what must be done… 15:41:09 maybe limb will help me 15:42:25 yeah. can you comment on the ticket that you want co-maintainer access so you can fix issues early? 15:42:35 the orphan problem can be solved in a few weeks. 15:43:25 done 15:43:32 thanks ya all! 15:43:34 thanks! 15:43:50 if there's nothing else, I'll give you 15 minutes of your lives back. 15:44:19 🎉 15:45:34 Alright. Happy Holidays, and stay safe, everyone. See you next year! 15:45:37 #endmeeting