15:00:16 <zbyszek> #startmeeting FESCO (2021-01-13)
15:00:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 13 15:00:16 2021 UTC.
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15:00:16 <zbyszek> #meetingname fesco
15:00:16 <zbyszek> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, cverna, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
15:00:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
15:00:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek
15:00:19 <zbyszek> #topic init process
15:00:21 <zbyszek> .hello2
15:00:22 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
15:00:25 <dcantrell> .hello2
15:00:26 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
15:00:36 <bcotton> .hello2
15:00:37 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:00:38 <sgallagh> .hello2
15:00:41 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
15:00:52 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
15:00:53 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
15:01:03 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2
15:01:04 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Raits' <igor.raits@gmail.com>
15:01:07 <nirik> morning.
15:01:12 <zbyszek> That's quorum.
15:01:26 * nirik has a power outage here, may disappear soon when laptop battery gives out
15:01:45 <zbyszek> cverna, King_InuYasha, decathorpe, ping
15:02:53 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
15:02:54 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
15:02:56 * King_InuYasha waves
15:03:01 * mhroncok sends some energy to nirik's laptop
15:03:16 <King_InuYasha> I had to finish making the omelette before coming
15:03:16 <zbyszek> #topic #2532 F34 Change: Enable spec file preprocessing
15:03:16 <zbyszek> .fesco 2532
15:03:18 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2532: F34 Change: Enable spec file preprocessing - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2532
15:03:26 <King_InuYasha> :(
15:03:37 <zbyszek> There has been some discussion in the ticket.
15:04:01 <zbyszek> Should we say "let this bake in copr for a while", and maybe reconsider enabling this for normal Fedora later on?
15:04:04 <sgallagh> I'm still a firm -1 for F34
15:04:10 <dcantrell> I'm still -1 on this one.
15:04:13 <mhroncok> zbyszek: it is baked in copr for years
15:04:23 <zbyszek> Oh, I wasn't aware.
15:04:54 * cyberpear thinks that if it's in use for years, the proposal should have included real-world examples of its use
15:04:57 <nirik> I'm starting to think we shouldn't try and look to get something more like this in rpm itself rather than trying to build all kinds of things on top
15:05:09 <dcantrell> nirik: yes
15:05:31 <King_InuYasha> nirik: indeed
15:05:35 <dcantrell> the proposal is adding layers on layers here rather than looking at components to improve
15:05:57 <zbyszek> The vote in the ticket was (0, ±1, -5)
15:06:00 <King_InuYasha> the underlying assumption with all this stuff is that we can't improve rpm itself, which I think is definitely flawed
15:06:13 <dcantrell> King_InuYasha: correct, rpm is not immutable
15:07:14 <zbyszek> OK, does anyone want further discussion or time to re-read the proposal? If we're all set in our view of this, it doesn't make much sense to wait.
15:07:27 <dcantrell> I think this templating thing for spec files would be better suited for packit (if it's not already there)
15:07:47 <dcantrell> I don't need any more time to read it.  I just refreshed my brain with it this morning
15:07:58 <King_InuYasha> I'm pretty set on my opinion here
15:08:01 <zbyszek> sgallagh: you have a lot of experience with this stuff. What's your vote?
15:08:14 <sgallagh> I'm -1 on this for F34
15:08:50 <sgallagh> I'd be willing to entertain it again for F35, but it's too much chaos for a release that will become a RHEL release.
15:09:52 <zbyszek> So, nirik and cverna didn't vote yet.
15:10:10 <zbyszek> cverna is not here, afaict.
15:10:43 <sgallagh> (FTR: the Fedora->RHEL release plan is public now: https://twitter.com/mattdm/status/1349037318200561665 )
15:11:02 <zbyszek> If you're all OK with that, I'd just tally the vote as REJECTED (0, 1, -6).
15:11:13 <decathorpe> .hello2
15:11:13 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
15:11:15 <decathorpe> sorry for being late.
15:11:43 <zbyszek> Or maybe nirik has run out of power already.
15:11:44 <nirik> yeah, I didn't... but -1 for f34 definitely.
15:12:10 <nirik> not quite, but down to 20% battery. ;(
15:12:16 <zbyszek> #agreed REJECTED (0, ±1, -7)
15:12:25 <sgallagh> nirik: Do you have a potato handy...?
15:12:46 <zbyszek> #info Two votes were cast as "for 34", the others without such qualification.
15:12:56 <zbyszek> #topic Next week's chair
15:13:00 <zbyszek> Anyone?
15:13:10 <sgallagh> I can take it next week
15:13:18 <zbyszek> #action sgallagh will chair next meeting
15:13:18 <zbyszek> Thanks.
15:13:18 <zbyszek> #topic Open Floor
15:13:26 <decathorpe> .hello2
15:13:27 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
15:13:30 <decathorpe> sorry for being late.
15:13:47 <zbyszek> decathorpe: is there two of you?
15:13:51 <nirik> sgallagh: nope. ;(
15:14:10 <zbyszek> nirik?
15:14:23 <zbyszek> oh, potato, not chairing next week. Nvm.
15:14:40 <zbyszek> If no one has anything, I'll close in a minute.
15:15:29 <zbyszek> Thanks all, see you next week.
15:15:30 <zbyszek> #endmeeting