15:00:16 #startmeeting FESCO (2021-01-13) 15:00:16 Meeting started Wed Jan 13 15:00:16 2021 UTC. 15:00:16 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:16 The chair is zbyszek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2021-01-13)' 15:00:16 #meetingname fesco 15:00:16 #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, cverna, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 15:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 15:00:16 Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek 15:00:19 #topic init process 15:00:21 .hello2 15:00:22 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 15:00:25 .hello2 15:00:26 dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' 15:00:36 .hello2 15:00:37 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 15:00:38 .hello2 15:00:41 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 15:00:52 .hello churchyard 15:00:53 mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' 15:01:03 .hello2 15:01:04 ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Raits' 15:01:07 morning. 15:01:12 That's quorum. 15:01:26 * nirik has a power outage here, may disappear soon when laptop battery gives out 15:01:45 cverna, King_InuYasha, decathorpe, ping 15:02:53 .hello ngompa 15:02:54 King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' 15:02:56 * King_InuYasha waves 15:03:01 * mhroncok sends some energy to nirik's laptop 15:03:16 I had to finish making the omelette before coming 15:03:16 #topic #2532 F34 Change: Enable spec file preprocessing 15:03:16 .fesco 2532 15:03:18 zbyszek: Issue #2532: F34 Change: Enable spec file preprocessing - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2532 15:03:26 :( 15:03:37 There has been some discussion in the ticket. 15:04:01 Should we say "let this bake in copr for a while", and maybe reconsider enabling this for normal Fedora later on? 15:04:04 I'm still a firm -1 for F34 15:04:10 I'm still -1 on this one. 15:04:13 zbyszek: it is baked in copr for years 15:04:23 Oh, I wasn't aware. 15:04:54 * cyberpear thinks that if it's in use for years, the proposal should have included real-world examples of its use 15:04:57 I'm starting to think we shouldn't try and look to get something more like this in rpm itself rather than trying to build all kinds of things on top 15:05:09 nirik: yes 15:05:31 nirik: indeed 15:05:35 the proposal is adding layers on layers here rather than looking at components to improve 15:05:57 The vote in the ticket was (0, ±1, -5) 15:06:00 the underlying assumption with all this stuff is that we can't improve rpm itself, which I think is definitely flawed 15:06:13 King_InuYasha: correct, rpm is not immutable 15:07:14 OK, does anyone want further discussion or time to re-read the proposal? If we're all set in our view of this, it doesn't make much sense to wait. 15:07:27 I think this templating thing for spec files would be better suited for packit (if it's not already there) 15:07:47 I don't need any more time to read it. I just refreshed my brain with it this morning 15:07:58 I'm pretty set on my opinion here 15:08:01 sgallagh: you have a lot of experience with this stuff. What's your vote? 15:08:14 I'm -1 on this for F34 15:08:50 I'd be willing to entertain it again for F35, but it's too much chaos for a release that will become a RHEL release. 15:09:52 So, nirik and cverna didn't vote yet. 15:10:10 cverna is not here, afaict. 15:10:43 (FTR: the Fedora->RHEL release plan is public now: https://twitter.com/mattdm/status/1349037318200561665 ) 15:11:02 If you're all OK with that, I'd just tally the vote as REJECTED (0, 1, -6). 15:11:13 .hello2 15:11:13 decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' 15:11:15 sorry for being late. 15:11:43 Or maybe nirik has run out of power already. 15:11:44 yeah, I didn't... but -1 for f34 definitely. 15:12:10 not quite, but down to 20% battery. ;( 15:12:16 #agreed REJECTED (0, ±1, -7) 15:12:25 nirik: Do you have a potato handy...? 15:12:46 #info Two votes were cast as "for 34", the others without such qualification. 15:12:56 #topic Next week's chair 15:13:00 Anyone? 15:13:10 I can take it next week 15:13:18 #action sgallagh will chair next meeting 15:13:18 Thanks. 15:13:18 #topic Open Floor 15:13:26 .hello2 15:13:27 decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' 15:13:30 sorry for being late. 15:13:47 decathorpe: is there two of you? 15:13:51 sgallagh: nope. ;( 15:14:10 nirik? 15:14:23 oh, potato, not chairing next week. Nvm. 15:14:40 If no one has anything, I'll close in a minute. 15:15:29 Thanks all, see you next week. 15:15:30 #endmeeting