15:01:56 <King_InuYasha> #startmeeting FESCO (2021-01-27)
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15:02:05 <King_InuYasha> #meetingname fesco
15:02:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
15:02:16 <King_InuYasha> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, cverna, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
15:02:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek
15:02:16 <dcantrell> .hello2
15:02:17 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
15:02:18 <sgallagh> .hello2
15:02:20 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
15:02:20 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
15:02:21 <zbyszek> .hello2
15:02:22 <bcotton> .hello2
15:02:22 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
15:02:25 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
15:02:28 <King_InuYasha> #topic init process
15:02:28 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:02:34 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
15:02:35 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
15:03:39 <nirik> morning
15:03:47 <King_InuYasha> hey :)
15:03:55 <bcotton> nirik: is that a threat?
15:04:05 <King_InuYasha> lol
15:04:13 <nirik> bcotton: sometimes.
15:04:17 <bcotton> valid
15:04:28 * nirik notes he didn't say 'good morning'. :)
15:04:33 <King_InuYasha> I guess we're at quorum now?
15:04:40 <King_InuYasha> unless I miscounted
15:05:05 <King_InuYasha> hmm, I count 4 hellos of voting members
15:05:14 <mhroncok> 5
15:05:23 <nirik> .hello kevin
15:05:24 <zodbot> nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' <kevin@scrye.com>
15:05:27 <King_InuYasha> oh duh, myself :D
15:05:39 <mhroncok> 6 now
15:05:46 <King_InuYasha> alright, let's get this party started
15:06:19 <King_InuYasha> let's get the small fry out of the way first...
15:06:56 <King_InuYasha> #topic #2545 F34 Change: Localization measurement and tooling
15:07:01 <King_InuYasha> .fesco 2545
15:07:02 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: Issue #2545: F34 Change: Localization measurement and tooling - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2545
15:07:40 <decathorpe> sounds like this will be postponed, retracted and refactored?
15:08:01 <King_InuYasha> I didn't get that impression from jibec's comment two days ago
15:08:32 <King_InuYasha> it sounds like the refactoring is a "down the road" thing
15:08:49 <bcotton> me either
15:09:15 <decathorpe> ok. I will be quiet :)
15:09:43 <King_InuYasha> I don't think this really has any impact on Fedora development cycles, so I'm inclined to approve it on that basis alone
15:09:54 <nirik> I get the impression that the reason there's multiple systems is that one is for just fedora stuff and the other is trying to be for everything we ship?
15:10:02 <King_InuYasha> yeah, that's what it sounds like
15:11:17 <King_InuYasha> having a better understanding of how much of the total system has i18n and to what level is potentially quite useful for motivating folks to help make that better
15:11:28 * nirik nods.
15:11:28 <zbyszek> nirik: do you ok with that as releng?
15:11:48 <nirik> yeah, I think it's fine as long as they are doing the work, which I understand they are... :)
15:12:20 <mhroncok> on that note, let's vote?
15:13:11 <nirik> +1 here
15:13:24 <mhroncok> +1
15:13:30 <dcantrell> +1
15:13:31 <decathorpe> +1
15:14:06 <sgallagh> +1
15:14:45 <King_InuYasha> +1
15:15:15 <zbyszek> +1, fine
15:15:37 <King_InuYasha> #agree DECISION (+7, 0, -0)
15:15:51 <King_InuYasha> #undo
15:15:51 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by King_InuYasha at 15:15:37 : DECISION (+7, 0, -0)
15:15:55 <zbyszek> It feels like one of those cases where we should put in more effort to do less, overall, but I don't have the energy to think about the details.
15:17:38 <King_InuYasha> #agree Localization measurement tooling makes sense to have, given that the localization team is developing and maintaining it (+7, 0, -0)
15:18:11 <King_InuYasha> Alright, now onto the next one...
15:18:55 <King_InuYasha> #topic #2547 F34 Change: Signed RPM Contents
15:19:01 <King_InuYasha> .fesco 2547
15:19:02 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: Issue #2547: F34 Change: Signed RPM Contents - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2547
15:19:06 * King_InuYasha sighs
15:19:23 <King_InuYasha> I'm not happy with this change at all
15:19:28 <nirik> I still think this is nice... but it's pretty clear it needs some things. I posted to the list what I thought those were
15:20:10 <nirik> and I see there's a flurry of posts this morning while I was asleep. ;(
15:20:15 <zbyszek> nirik: I think that the list you posted is only a second step. The first step should be to answer high level questions that were posted on the mailing list.
15:20:42 <zbyszek> I think Lennart's mail asks the right things.
15:22:27 <mhroncok> anyway, do we all agree that this at least needs to be postponed to f35 or not?
15:22:40 <zbyszek> Yes.
15:22:42 <nirik> yeah
15:22:45 <dcantrell> yes
15:22:54 <decathorpe> +1
15:22:59 <sgallagh> afraid so
15:23:11 <mhroncok> so, proposal: ...
15:23:23 <decathorpe> it also didn't help that it was proposed after the Changes requiring Infra Work deadline ...
15:23:34 <nirik> it's a bit odd in that it is at signing, so in theory it could be enabled at branching time, but I don't think we want to do that. ;)
15:24:13 <King_InuYasha> it will require a mass rebuild for F35
15:24:15 <mhroncok> proposal: This change is rejected for f34, please resubmit again for the f35 cycle, ideally amended wrt the received feedback
15:24:22 <King_InuYasha> mhroncok: +1
15:24:24 <decathorpe> mhroncok: +1
15:24:28 <zbyszek> +
15:24:28 <dcantrell> mhroncok: +1
15:24:31 <zbyszek> +1
15:24:52 <nirik> +1
15:25:29 <sgallagh> +1
15:25:47 <cverna> +1
15:25:53 <mhroncok> hello cverna
15:25:56 * cverna is a bit late :P
15:27:05 <mhroncok> (personally, I'd also like to suggest to submit earlier the next time)
15:27:32 <King_InuYasha> #agree This change is rejected for F34, please resubmit again for the F35 cycle, ideally amended wrt the received feedback (+7, 0, 0)
15:27:59 <King_InuYasha> And that's it for this meeting, so...
15:28:13 <King_InuYasha> #topic Next week's chair
15:28:23 <King_InuYasha> Who wants to do it?
15:28:58 <mhroncok> the approval was +8, I forgot to put explicit +1, my bad. feel free to leave it as is
15:31:07 <King_InuYasha> I don't want to do too many undos, but sorry about forgetting to count you :(
15:31:20 <mhroncok> np, same outcome
15:32:49 <mhroncok> as always, I am not sure I'll attend, so I cannot commit to chairing
15:33:07 <King_InuYasha> anyone else able to?
15:33:50 * bcotton can be the non-voting chair if no members are available
15:33:54 <mhroncok> if nobody else can, I can commit to do it or cancel the meeting
15:34:09 <mhroncok> I can even ask bcotton if I know I won't be available
15:34:26 <zbyszek> I'll do it.
15:34:30 <bcotton> when in doubt, #action bcotton :p
15:34:32 <mhroncok> zbyszek: thanks
15:34:37 <decathorpe> sounds good to me
15:35:17 <King_InuYasha> #action zbyszek will chair next meeting
15:35:26 <King_InuYasha> ... and finally...
15:35:32 <King_InuYasha> #topic Open Floor
15:35:46 <King_InuYasha> Anything from anyone?
15:35:52 <zbyszek> Mass rebuild status update?
15:36:05 <mhroncok> running
15:36:20 <nirik> yeah, churning along...
15:36:23 <mhroncok> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mass-rebuild/f34-failures.html
15:36:39 <mhroncok> around "multimarkdown"
15:37:05 * mhroncok has noticed there was no usual announcement
15:37:06 <King_InuYasha> I'm curious if the fallout levels will be lower this time
15:37:22 <King_InuYasha> usually I'm scrambling to fix everything I have post mass rebuild
15:37:27 <decathorpe> well, at least 2 of my packages are affected by GCC bugs :)
15:37:39 * nirik has one item actually.
15:38:27 <mhroncok> 6614 good, 258 bad so far it seems
15:38:31 <King_InuYasha> nirik: go for it
15:38:36 <nirik> The master->main changes for src.fp.o... we were going to do that today, but... mass rebuild is still going and we would also like to do more testing in staging on scripts. So, we want to push out again to next tuesday...
15:38:45 <King_InuYasha> sounds fine to me
15:38:47 <nirik> I can send an email on it...
15:39:13 <mhroncok> nirik: could the fedscm requests for new repo be fix be prioritized then?
15:39:15 <King_InuYasha> the master->main changes basically can happen whenever, but I agree it makes sense to wait until _after_ mass rebuild
15:39:45 <nirik> mhroncok: I think that is now fixed? well, processing again...
15:40:43 <decathorpe> nirik: postponing until after the mass rebuild sounds like a good idea
15:40:52 <nirik> mhroncok: there was an announce, then a delay announce, but no 'we are going ahead now' I guess: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3G5ZPQ6VPP3GVBGQYEXNRDYDLKQOSUUP/
15:41:26 <mhroncok> https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/31913 has rawhide in the body I'll s ehow it is processed
15:41:37 <mhroncok> but https://pagure.io/releng/issue/9960#comment-712183 suggested it is not fixed
15:42:04 <nirik> mhroncok: we will get it sorted. I think the idea was to fix the tool to handle either and do the right thing based on if we have switched or not yet
15:42:55 <decathorpe> probably easier to fix one script on one machine rather than fedpkg on all developers' machines :)
15:42:56 <mhroncok> nirik: I understand that idea, but it seemed it is still not working. but maybe I just don't know all the details, don't worry about it
15:43:36 <nirik> mhroncok: yeah, I thought we fixed it. If not, we definitely will get it working... :(
15:43:43 <mhroncok> anyway, posponign after rebuild makes sense
15:44:52 <zbyszek> Couldn't resolve host name for http://kojipkgs02.fedoraproject.org/repos/f34-build/2875104/s390x/repodata/repomd.xml [Could not resolve host: kojipkgs02.fedoraproject.org
15:45:01 <zbyszek> (on s390x)
15:45:21 <zbyszek> Should I do something about this, or will it get built again automatically?
15:45:50 <nirik> zbyszek: I think we will do a resubmit at the end to try and get past any transitory issues...
15:46:08 <nirik> do you have a link for that task?
15:46:08 <zbyszek> Good to hear that.
15:46:14 <zbyszek> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=60535019
15:47:14 <decathorpe> btw, is --fail-fast new this time? it certainly should help with the load though
15:47:47 <mhroncok> fail-fast \o/
15:48:34 <nirik> I think that was added since the last time yeah...
15:51:41 <zbyszek> Anything else? Let's wrap this up.
15:51:51 <mhroncok> nope
15:51:54 <mhroncok> see you :)
15:52:22 <zbyszek> See you next week!
15:52:50 <King_InuYasha> Thanks everyone!
15:52:57 <King_InuYasha> #endmeeting