15:01:56 #startmeeting FESCO (2021-01-27) 15:01:56 Meeting started Wed Jan 27 15:01:56 2021 UTC. 15:01:56 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:01:56 The chair is King_InuYasha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:56 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2021-01-27)' 15:02:05 #meetingname fesco 15:02:05 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 15:02:16 #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, cverna, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 15:02:16 Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek 15:02:16 .hello2 15:02:17 dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' 15:02:18 .hello2 15:02:20 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 15:02:20 .hello churchyard 15:02:21 .hello2 15:02:22 .hello2 15:02:22 mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' 15:02:25 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 15:02:28 #topic init process 15:02:28 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 15:02:34 .hello ngompa 15:02:35 King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' 15:03:39 morning 15:03:47 hey :) 15:03:55 nirik: is that a threat? 15:04:05 lol 15:04:13 bcotton: sometimes. 15:04:17 valid 15:04:28 * nirik notes he didn't say 'good morning'. :) 15:04:33 I guess we're at quorum now? 15:04:40 unless I miscounted 15:05:05 hmm, I count 4 hellos of voting members 15:05:14 5 15:05:23 .hello kevin 15:05:24 nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' 15:05:27 oh duh, myself :D 15:05:39 6 now 15:05:46 alright, let's get this party started 15:06:19 let's get the small fry out of the way first... 15:06:56 #topic #2545 F34 Change: Localization measurement and tooling 15:07:01 .fesco 2545 15:07:02 King_InuYasha: Issue #2545: F34 Change: Localization measurement and tooling - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2545 15:07:40 sounds like this will be postponed, retracted and refactored? 15:08:01 I didn't get that impression from jibec's comment two days ago 15:08:32 it sounds like the refactoring is a "down the road" thing 15:08:49 me either 15:09:15 ok. I will be quiet :) 15:09:43 I don't think this really has any impact on Fedora development cycles, so I'm inclined to approve it on that basis alone 15:09:54 I get the impression that the reason there's multiple systems is that one is for just fedora stuff and the other is trying to be for everything we ship? 15:10:02 yeah, that's what it sounds like 15:11:17 having a better understanding of how much of the total system has i18n and to what level is potentially quite useful for motivating folks to help make that better 15:11:28 * nirik nods. 15:11:28 nirik: do you ok with that as releng? 15:11:48 yeah, I think it's fine as long as they are doing the work, which I understand they are... :) 15:12:20 on that note, let's vote? 15:13:11 +1 here 15:13:24 +1 15:13:30 +1 15:13:31 +1 15:14:06 +1 15:14:45 +1 15:15:15 +1, fine 15:15:37 #agree DECISION (+7, 0, -0) 15:15:51 #undo 15:15:51 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by King_InuYasha at 15:15:37 : DECISION (+7, 0, -0) 15:15:55 It feels like one of those cases where we should put in more effort to do less, overall, but I don't have the energy to think about the details. 15:17:38 #agree Localization measurement tooling makes sense to have, given that the localization team is developing and maintaining it (+7, 0, -0) 15:18:11 Alright, now onto the next one... 15:18:55 #topic #2547 F34 Change: Signed RPM Contents 15:19:01 .fesco 2547 15:19:02 King_InuYasha: Issue #2547: F34 Change: Signed RPM Contents - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2547 15:19:06 * King_InuYasha sighs 15:19:23 I'm not happy with this change at all 15:19:28 I still think this is nice... but it's pretty clear it needs some things. I posted to the list what I thought those were 15:20:10 and I see there's a flurry of posts this morning while I was asleep. ;( 15:20:15 nirik: I think that the list you posted is only a second step. The first step should be to answer high level questions that were posted on the mailing list. 15:20:42 I think Lennart's mail asks the right things. 15:22:27 anyway, do we all agree that this at least needs to be postponed to f35 or not? 15:22:40 Yes. 15:22:42 yeah 15:22:45 yes 15:22:54 +1 15:22:59 afraid so 15:23:11 so, proposal: ... 15:23:23 it also didn't help that it was proposed after the Changes requiring Infra Work deadline ... 15:23:34 it's a bit odd in that it is at signing, so in theory it could be enabled at branching time, but I don't think we want to do that. ;) 15:24:13 it will require a mass rebuild for F35 15:24:15 proposal: This change is rejected for f34, please resubmit again for the f35 cycle, ideally amended wrt the received feedback 15:24:22 mhroncok: +1 15:24:24 mhroncok: +1 15:24:28 + 15:24:28 mhroncok: +1 15:24:31 +1 15:24:52 +1 15:25:29 +1 15:25:47 +1 15:25:53 hello cverna 15:25:56 * cverna is a bit late :P 15:27:05 (personally, I'd also like to suggest to submit earlier the next time) 15:27:32 #agree This change is rejected for F34, please resubmit again for the F35 cycle, ideally amended wrt the received feedback (+7, 0, 0) 15:27:59 And that's it for this meeting, so... 15:28:13 #topic Next week's chair 15:28:23 Who wants to do it? 15:28:58 the approval was +8, I forgot to put explicit +1, my bad. feel free to leave it as is 15:31:07 I don't want to do too many undos, but sorry about forgetting to count you :( 15:31:20 np, same outcome 15:32:49 as always, I am not sure I'll attend, so I cannot commit to chairing 15:33:07 anyone else able to? 15:33:50 * bcotton can be the non-voting chair if no members are available 15:33:54 if nobody else can, I can commit to do it or cancel the meeting 15:34:09 I can even ask bcotton if I know I won't be available 15:34:26 I'll do it. 15:34:30 when in doubt, #action bcotton :p 15:34:32 zbyszek: thanks 15:34:37 sounds good to me 15:35:17 #action zbyszek will chair next meeting 15:35:26 ... and finally... 15:35:32 #topic Open Floor 15:35:46 Anything from anyone? 15:35:52 Mass rebuild status update? 15:36:05 running 15:36:20 yeah, churning along... 15:36:23 https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mass-rebuild/f34-failures.html 15:36:39 around "multimarkdown" 15:37:05 * mhroncok has noticed there was no usual announcement 15:37:06 I'm curious if the fallout levels will be lower this time 15:37:22 usually I'm scrambling to fix everything I have post mass rebuild 15:37:27 well, at least 2 of my packages are affected by GCC bugs :) 15:37:39 * nirik has one item actually. 15:38:27 6614 good, 258 bad so far it seems 15:38:31 nirik: go for it 15:38:36 The master->main changes for src.fp.o... we were going to do that today, but... mass rebuild is still going and we would also like to do more testing in staging on scripts. So, we want to push out again to next tuesday... 15:38:45 sounds fine to me 15:38:47 I can send an email on it... 15:39:13 nirik: could the fedscm requests for new repo be fix be prioritized then? 15:39:15 the master->main changes basically can happen whenever, but I agree it makes sense to wait until _after_ mass rebuild 15:39:45 mhroncok: I think that is now fixed? well, processing again... 15:40:43 nirik: postponing until after the mass rebuild sounds like a good idea 15:40:52 mhroncok: there was an announce, then a delay announce, but no 'we are going ahead now' I guess: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3G5ZPQ6VPP3GVBGQYEXNRDYDLKQOSUUP/ 15:41:26 https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/31913 has rawhide in the body I'll s ehow it is processed 15:41:37 but https://pagure.io/releng/issue/9960#comment-712183 suggested it is not fixed 15:42:04 mhroncok: we will get it sorted. I think the idea was to fix the tool to handle either and do the right thing based on if we have switched or not yet 15:42:55 probably easier to fix one script on one machine rather than fedpkg on all developers' machines :) 15:42:56 nirik: I understand that idea, but it seemed it is still not working. but maybe I just don't know all the details, don't worry about it 15:43:36 mhroncok: yeah, I thought we fixed it. If not, we definitely will get it working... :( 15:43:43 anyway, posponign after rebuild makes sense 15:44:52 Couldn't resolve host name for http://kojipkgs02.fedoraproject.org/repos/f34-build/2875104/s390x/repodata/repomd.xml [Could not resolve host: kojipkgs02.fedoraproject.org 15:45:01 (on s390x) 15:45:21 Should I do something about this, or will it get built again automatically? 15:45:50 zbyszek: I think we will do a resubmit at the end to try and get past any transitory issues... 15:46:08 do you have a link for that task? 15:46:08 Good to hear that. 15:46:14 https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=60535019 15:47:14 btw, is --fail-fast new this time? it certainly should help with the load though 15:47:47 fail-fast \o/ 15:48:34 I think that was added since the last time yeah... 15:51:41 Anything else? Let's wrap this up. 15:51:51 nope 15:51:54 see you :) 15:52:22 See you next week! 15:52:50 Thanks everyone! 15:52:57 #endmeeting