17:01:20 <mhroncok> #startmeeting FESCO (2021-05-25)
17:01:20 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 25 17:01:20 2021 UTC.
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17:01:22 <mhroncok> #meetingname fesco
17:01:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:01:26 <mhroncok> #chair nirik, ignatenkobrain, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, cverna, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
17:01:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek
17:01:29 <mhroncok> #topic init process
17:01:32 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:01:33 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:01:43 <decathorpe> .hello2
17:01:44 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
17:01:45 <nirik> morning
17:01:51 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
17:01:53 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:01:59 <bcotton> .hello2
17:02:00 <decathorpe> (just FYI, I am on my bike, so I might not respond quickly)
17:02:00 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
17:02:00 <mhroncok> nirik: thanks for fixing zodbot
17:02:31 <mhroncok> decathorpe: it is a steering committee after all
17:02:36 <zbyszek> Right, so which network is the right one?
17:02:41 <bcotton> mhroncok: booooooooooo :-)
17:03:01 <bcotton> mhroncok++ for a groan-worthy joke
17:03:01 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for churchyard changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:03:11 <mhroncok> so far there has been no official instruction to switch networks
17:03:17 <zbyszek> mhroncok: OK
17:03:21 * mhroncok doesn't even knwo if zodbot works over there
17:03:37 <nirik> it can, but yes, we have not officially moved yet.
17:03:56 <decathorpe> libera + matrix are working on a bridge, so I'm hoping that it will work soon ... I'd rather not use two chat apps instead of one again ...
17:04:25 <nirik> yeah, we are waiting for matrix bridges.
17:04:37 <mhroncok> looking forward to that
17:04:44 <mhroncok> bcotton: thanks :)
17:04:49 <mhroncok> we have a quorum
17:05:08 <mhroncok> let's steer
17:05:12 * cverna is here too
17:05:34 <mhroncok> #topic #2612 F35 Change: Drop the the "Allow SSH root login with password" option from the installer GUI
17:05:39 <mhroncok> cverna: hello
17:06:02 <mhroncok> so, does anybody want to discuss anything here? It was tagged due to some negtaive votes
17:06:30 <nirik> it sounds like everyone wants to keep it, except for anaconda folks who don't want to maintain it. ;(
17:06:51 <zbyszek> Typical maintainer-user interaction ;)
17:07:07 <nirik> indeed
17:07:59 <mhroncok> computers were a mistake :D
17:08:26 <mhroncok> any strong arguments to support this change?
17:09:07 <mhroncok> cverna, decathorpe and nirik: you haven't voted in the ticket, do you have a preference?
17:09:39 <nirik> well, I would prefer to stay, but it feels kind of bad to tell anaconda they have to keep it forever when they want to drop it...
17:10:45 <cverna> yep, it is a hard one, if anaconda wants to drop it not sure there is much we can do
17:10:54 <zbyszek> I think that a major part of the motivation is "security", but imo the security analysis is flawed: there simply are many many scenarios where this option does not decrease security.
17:12:53 <mhroncok> To me it does not seem like the motivation is a big maintenance burden, but rather a feeling that this option should not be there
17:13:14 <zbyszek> Yep.
17:13:45 <nirik> It would be nice to have some more feedback from them...
17:13:46 <mhroncok> so I'd reject the proposal and talk to anaconda about what's next. I can meet with m4rtink
17:13:55 <nirik> that would be great!
17:14:42 <mhroncok> let's vote on the proposal as is (-1 = reject the proposal, +1 = approve the proposal). who voted in the ticket does not need to vote here again
17:15:15 <cverna> -1 as it is
17:16:14 <mhroncok> nirik, decathorpe?
17:16:37 <nirik> -1
17:16:39 <bcotton> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe): ring the bike bell for +1, unring the bike bell for -1
17:17:11 <mhroncok> I'll give decathorpe a minute to safely pull over
17:17:16 <mhroncok> in the meantime...
17:17:42 <mhroncok> #action mhroncok to talk to anaconda maintainers about next steps wrt "Allow SSH root login with password" option
17:18:52 <mhroncok> #agree REJECTED (+0, 0, -7)
17:19:19 <mhroncok> anythign elee on the topic?
17:19:32 <mhroncok> *else
17:19:43 <nirik> nope
17:19:48 <mhroncok> #topic Next week's chair
17:19:56 <mhroncok> zbyszek: your ofer still stands?
17:20:00 <mhroncok> *offer
17:20:05 <zbyszek> Yep.
17:20:10 <mhroncok> #action zbyszek will chair next meeting
17:20:14 <mhroncok> #topic Open Floor
17:20:32 <mhroncok> #info the Fedora elections are in progress
17:20:40 <nirik> everyone should vote!
17:21:24 <zbyszek> Only 156 people have the "I Voted" badge :(
17:21:41 <mhroncok> everyone is on the metasteering committee now
17:21:56 <zbyszek> "0.3% of people have earned this badge." Yikes.
17:22:21 <nirik> thats likely pretty inflated by spam
17:22:27 <bcotton> that's pretty good far this point in the voting period
17:22:36 <mhroncok> zbyszek: that is not that low number actually. I voted F33 was awarded 198 times in total
17:22:55 <zbyszek> Oh.
17:23:26 <cverna> I was going to say that we have usually around 200 people voting, but that was just from memory
17:23:43 <mhroncok> A total of 216 voters participated in FESCo F33 election
17:23:48 <bcotton> it's generally in the low-to-mid 200s
17:24:50 <mhroncok> #info Voting closes in a week
17:25:00 <mhroncok> That's all from me for open floor
17:25:06 <mhroncok> how are you all doing?
17:26:19 <zbyszek> Eh, good, but hungry. Let's wrap this up!
17:26:22 <cverna> Not to bad, looking forward for a few days off next week :)
17:26:30 <mhroncok> zbyszek: good idea
17:26:36 <cverna> Haha same here zbyszek
17:26:46 <mhroncok> roger, roger
17:26:52 <mhroncok> #endmeeting