19:00:15 <zbyszek> #startmeeting FESCO (2021-10-11) 19:00:15 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 11 19:00:15 2021 UTC. 19:00:15 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 19:00:15 <zodbot> The chair is zbyszek. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 19:00:15 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2021-10-11)' 19:00:15 <zbyszek> #meetingname fesco 19:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 19:00:15 <zbyszek> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, defolos, mboddu, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 19:00:15 <zbyszek> #topic init process 19:00:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe defolos mboddu mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek 19:00:31 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa 19:00:32 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com> 19:00:33 <dcantrell> .hello2 19:00:35 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com> 19:00:40 <decathorpe> .hello2 19:00:41 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com> 19:00:43 <zbyszek> .hello2 19:00:44 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl> 19:00:55 <StephenGallagher> .hello sgallagh 19:00:56 <zodbot> StephenGallagher: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 19:01:04 <zbyszek> We have quorum. 19:01:21 <zbyszek> But I'll wait a few seconds for more folks to show up. 19:02:01 <defolos> .hello2 19:02:02 <zodbot> defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' <dan.cermak@cgc-instruments.com> 19:02:07 <zbyszek> Perfect timing. 19:02:09 <zbyszek> #topic #2667 F36 Change: Enable exclude_from_weak_autodetect by default in LIBDNF 19:02:09 <zbyszek> .fesco 2667 19:02:09 <zbyszek> I included this in the agenda before I knew that the title has been changed to 19:02:09 <zbyszek> "Install only newly recommended packages on upgrades with dnf/PackageKit/microdnf" 19:02:09 <zbyszek> I'm not sure if there anything else we need to discuss here. If not, we can just jump to the next topic. 19:02:11 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2667: F36 Change: Enable exclude_from_weak_autodetect by default in LIBDNF - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2667 19:02:16 <nirik> morning 19:02:54 <zbyszek> In particular, should we rename the page? 19:03:14 <Eighth_Doctor> I don't think there's anything to discuss 19:03:16 <Eighth_Doctor> they fixed the title 19:03:51 <zbyszek> OK, so let's move on. 19:03:57 <StephenGallagher> I think zbyszek wants to know if the Wiki page should move to match the new title 19:04:10 <StephenGallagher> Never mind, it appears that ALSO already happened. 19:04:11 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard 19:04:14 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com> 19:04:34 <zbyszek> Yeah, it's a detail, I probably shouldn't have brought this up. 19:04:37 <zbyszek> #topic #2672 Nonresponsive group: @java-maint-sig 19:04:37 <zbyszek> .fesco 2672 19:04:38 <zodbot> zbyszek: Issue #2672: Nonresponsive group: @java-maint-sig - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2672 19:04:41 <StephenGallagher> Anyway, +1 from me. I hadn't had a chance before today to review it 19:04:59 <zbyszek> From the original list made by Miro + an addition based on Peter's comment: 19:04:59 <zbyszek> 1. We remove all BZ assignee overrides to @java-maint-sig. This is a must. 19:04:59 <zbyszek> 2. We remove access of @java-maint-sig from all packages. 19:04:59 <zbyszek> 3. We ask the members of the group if they want to admin the list/BZ account. 19:04:59 <zbyszek> - We give it to the volunteer. 19:05:00 <zbyszek> - We empty the group and cancel the BZ account/list if nobody shows up. 19:05:03 <StephenGallagher> That +1 was for the previous topic 19:05:04 <zbyszek> 4. We don't orphan the packages, they have some "de jure" maintainers. 19:05:06 <zbyszek> 5. Replace the description of pagure.io/java-maint-sig 19:05:17 <Eighth_Doctor> +1 19:05:21 <zbyszek> StephenGallagher: I'll add your vote to the tally. 19:05:28 <dcantrell> +1 19:05:46 <defolos> +1 to the previous 19:05:47 <nirik> I don't think the group is primary maintainer on any package, but yes, +1 to this 19:06:06 <zbyszek> Please don't vote on the previous topic… It was already approved in the ticket. 19:06:14 <zbyszek> It's been up for two weeks. 19:06:21 <Eighth_Doctor> for the previous topic, the option "exclude_from_weak_autodetect" probably should be renamed to "auto_exculde_unsatisfied_weakdeps_on_upgrade" or something more meaningful 19:06:36 <Eighth_Doctor> because "exclude_from_weak_autodetect" tells me nothing 19:06:38 <StephenGallagher> Conan Kudo: Please take that to the list 19:06:51 <Eighth_Doctor> sure 19:06:55 <zbyszek> Or maybe even file a bug against libdnf? 19:07:13 <zbyszek> ... Returning to 2672 ... 19:07:31 <mhroncok> nirik: the group is a bugzilla ovveride for many packages 19:07:55 <StephenGallagher> mhroncok: So what do we do about those BZ links? 19:07:59 <nirik> yes, but it's not actual point of contact on any I don't think. So, if you remove the override the actual poc will get assigned 19:08:00 <StephenGallagher> Do they just become unassigned? 19:08:05 <mhroncok> StephenGallagher: what links? 19:08:06 <StephenGallagher> switched back to the main PoC? 19:08:17 <StephenGallagher> Sorry, links was the wrong word 19:08:24 <StephenGallagher> Who becomes the default assignee in BZ? 19:08:35 <nirik> the POC/main admin will 19:08:38 <mhroncok> the overrides will be removed, the "man admin" will be the poc 19:08:50 <mhroncok> *main 19:08:51 <decathorpe> main admin would become default assignee again. and BZ sync script would then reassign all bugs. 19:08:57 <mhroncok> indeed 19:09:04 <StephenGallagher> Ack, that's what I would have expected. 19:09:11 <zbyszek> painful, but necessary. 19:09:20 <StephenGallagher> (I always check, because expectations don't always match reality) 19:09:28 <defolos> zbyszek: Yes 19:10:31 <zbyszek> OK, so should we approve the orphaning and plan I copied above? (There was only one +1 vote in the ticket.) 19:10:40 <nirik> yes, +1 19:10:48 <decathorpe> well, no packages would actually become orphaned, would they? 19:10:52 <mhroncok> +1, it's my proposal 19:11:01 <defolos> +1 from me 19:11:05 <Eighth_Doctor> +1 from me 19:11:09 <zbyszek> decathorpe: true, "orphan" is the wrong verb. 19:11:11 <zbyszek> I'm +1 too FTR 19:11:23 <mhroncok> zbyszek: there were +2 explciit in the ticket, + me 19:11:26 <StephenGallagher> +1 from me 19:11:33 <dcantrell> +1 19:11:54 <decathorpe> +1 to the plan outlined in the ticket 19:12:11 <mhroncok> following the nonrespnsibe maintainer procedure, I'd liek to repeat the "do you wan tthis group" question in 2 days 19:12:26 <mhroncok> but I don't expect anyone would take it 19:12:59 <zbyszek> #agreed @java-maint-sig is declared "nonresponsive", and the plan (pasted below) will be implemented. (+7, 0, 0) 19:13:10 <zbyszek> (I'll paste the thing again in the ticket for clarity.) 19:13:21 <zbyszek> #topic Next week's chair 19:13:30 <zbyszek> I can do it again since this one was short… 19:13:50 <zbyszek> Unless somebody wants to 19:13:52 <zbyszek> 1 19:13:53 <zbyszek> 2 19:13:53 <zbyszek> 3 19:13:56 <zbyszek> #action zbyszek will chair next meeting 19:14:01 <zbyszek> #topic Open Floor 19:14:25 <zbyszek> So... the release is approaching quickly. Is there anything we should discuss? 19:14:27 <defolos> Thanks zbyszek 19:15:22 <StephenGallagher> zbyszek: How are things looking with resolved? 19:16:21 <zbyszek> That's a good question... I need some more time, I've been a bit overloaded with other things over the last few days. (Not work related.) 19:17:05 <zbyszek> Sorry, I don't have anything concrete atm. 19:17:22 <nirik> lots of blockers, but it sounds like most are getting addressed. 19:17:46 <zbyszek> #info https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/35/final/buglist 19:18:46 <zbyszek> It seems things are moving in the right direction… 19:18:56 <zbyszek> If nothing else, I'll close in a minute. 19:20:02 <zbyszek> #endmeeting