19:00:15 #startmeeting FESCO (2021-10-11) 19:00:15 Meeting started Mon Oct 11 19:00:15 2021 UTC. 19:00:15 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 19:00:15 The chair is zbyszek. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 19:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2021-10-11)' 19:00:15 #meetingname fesco 19:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 19:00:15 #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, defolos, mboddu, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 19:00:15 #topic init process 19:00:15 Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe defolos mboddu mhroncok nirik sgallagh zbyszek 19:00:31 .hello ngompa 19:00:32 Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' 19:00:33 .hello2 19:00:35 dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' 19:00:40 .hello2 19:00:41 decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' 19:00:43 .hello2 19:00:44 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 19:00:55 .hello sgallagh 19:00:56 StephenGallagher: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 19:01:04 We have quorum. 19:01:21 But I'll wait a few seconds for more folks to show up. 19:02:01 .hello2 19:02:02 defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' 19:02:07 Perfect timing. 19:02:09 #topic #2667 F36 Change: Enable exclude_from_weak_autodetect by default in LIBDNF 19:02:09 .fesco 2667 19:02:09 I included this in the agenda before I knew that the title has been changed to 19:02:09 "Install only newly recommended packages on upgrades with dnf/PackageKit/microdnf" 19:02:09 I'm not sure if there anything else we need to discuss here. If not, we can just jump to the next topic. 19:02:11 zbyszek: Issue #2667: F36 Change: Enable exclude_from_weak_autodetect by default in LIBDNF - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2667 19:02:16 morning 19:02:54 In particular, should we rename the page? 19:03:14 I don't think there's anything to discuss 19:03:16 they fixed the title 19:03:51 OK, so let's move on. 19:03:57 I think zbyszek wants to know if the Wiki page should move to match the new title 19:04:10 Never mind, it appears that ALSO already happened. 19:04:11 .hello churchyard 19:04:14 mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' 19:04:34 Yeah, it's a detail, I probably shouldn't have brought this up. 19:04:37 #topic #2672 Nonresponsive group: @java-maint-sig 19:04:37 .fesco 2672 19:04:38 zbyszek: Issue #2672: Nonresponsive group: @java-maint-sig - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2672 19:04:41 Anyway, +1 from me. I hadn't had a chance before today to review it 19:04:59 From the original list made by Miro + an addition based on Peter's comment: 19:04:59 1. We remove all BZ assignee overrides to @java-maint-sig. This is a must. 19:04:59 2. We remove access of @java-maint-sig from all packages. 19:04:59 3. We ask the members of the group if they want to admin the list/BZ account. 19:04:59 - We give it to the volunteer. 19:05:00 - We empty the group and cancel the BZ account/list if nobody shows up. 19:05:03 That +1 was for the previous topic 19:05:04 4. We don't orphan the packages, they have some "de jure" maintainers. 19:05:06 5. Replace the description of pagure.io/java-maint-sig 19:05:17 +1 19:05:21 StephenGallagher: I'll add your vote to the tally. 19:05:28 +1 19:05:46 +1 to the previous 19:05:47 I don't think the group is primary maintainer on any package, but yes, +1 to this 19:06:06 Please don't vote on the previous topic… It was already approved in the ticket. 19:06:14 It's been up for two weeks. 19:06:21 for the previous topic, the option "exclude_from_weak_autodetect" probably should be renamed to "auto_exculde_unsatisfied_weakdeps_on_upgrade" or something more meaningful 19:06:36 because "exclude_from_weak_autodetect" tells me nothing 19:06:38 Conan Kudo: Please take that to the list 19:06:51 sure 19:06:55 Or maybe even file a bug against libdnf? 19:07:13 ... Returning to 2672 ... 19:07:31 nirik: the group is a bugzilla ovveride for many packages 19:07:55 mhroncok: So what do we do about those BZ links? 19:07:59 yes, but it's not actual point of contact on any I don't think. So, if you remove the override the actual poc will get assigned 19:08:00 Do they just become unassigned? 19:08:05 StephenGallagher: what links? 19:08:06 switched back to the main PoC? 19:08:17 Sorry, links was the wrong word 19:08:24 Who becomes the default assignee in BZ? 19:08:35 the POC/main admin will 19:08:38 the overrides will be removed, the "man admin" will be the poc 19:08:50 *main 19:08:51 main admin would become default assignee again. and BZ sync script would then reassign all bugs. 19:08:57 indeed 19:09:04 Ack, that's what I would have expected. 19:09:11 painful, but necessary. 19:09:20 (I always check, because expectations don't always match reality) 19:09:28 zbyszek: Yes 19:10:31 OK, so should we approve the orphaning and plan I copied above? (There was only one +1 vote in the ticket.) 19:10:40 yes, +1 19:10:48 well, no packages would actually become orphaned, would they? 19:10:52 +1, it's my proposal 19:11:01 +1 from me 19:11:05 +1 from me 19:11:09 decathorpe: true, "orphan" is the wrong verb. 19:11:11 I'm +1 too FTR 19:11:23 zbyszek: there were +2 explciit in the ticket, + me 19:11:26 +1 from me 19:11:33 +1 19:11:54 +1 to the plan outlined in the ticket 19:12:11 following the nonrespnsibe maintainer procedure, I'd liek to repeat the "do you wan tthis group" question in 2 days 19:12:26 but I don't expect anyone would take it 19:12:59 #agreed @java-maint-sig is declared "nonresponsive", and the plan (pasted below) will be implemented. (+7, 0, 0) 19:13:10 (I'll paste the thing again in the ticket for clarity.) 19:13:21 #topic Next week's chair 19:13:30 I can do it again since this one was short… 19:13:50 Unless somebody wants to 19:13:52 1 19:13:53 2 19:13:53 3 19:13:56 #action zbyszek will chair next meeting 19:14:01 #topic Open Floor 19:14:25 So... the release is approaching quickly. Is there anything we should discuss? 19:14:27 Thanks zbyszek 19:15:22 zbyszek: How are things looking with resolved? 19:16:21 That's a good question... I need some more time, I've been a bit overloaded with other things over the last few days. (Not work related.) 19:17:05 Sorry, I don't have anything concrete atm. 19:17:22 lots of blockers, but it sounds like most are getting addressed. 19:17:46 #info https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/35/final/buglist 19:18:46 It seems things are moving in the right direction… 19:18:56 If nothing else, I'll close in a minute. 19:20:02 #endmeeting