17:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2022-07-19)
17:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jul 19 17:00:04 2022 UTC.
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17:00:04 <zodbot> The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions.
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17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2022-07-19)'
17:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:00:04 <nirik> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
17:00:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek
17:00:04 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:37 <dcantrell> .hello2
17:00:38 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
17:01:23 <nirik> who all is around for a lovely fesco meeting.
17:01:56 <nirik> Eighth_Doctor and mhayden said they would not be able to attend today
17:02:41 <nirik> I'll wait until 10 after to see if we can reach quorum... otherwise we will cancel.
17:02:47 <dcantrell> sounds good to me
17:03:33 <nirik> I guess I can run it again next week... unless you want to dcantrell? ;)
17:03:56 <dcantrell> I'm not going to be able to next week.  I know I haven't done it in a while.
17:04:01 <mhroncok> Ok folks. I see the messages by zodbot but not the messages by nirik
17:04:01 <decathorpe> oh good, I thought it was only me
17:04:11 <sgallagh> mhroncok: Same
17:04:22 <nirik> huh...
17:04:32 <nirik> irc -> matrix bridge misbehaving?
17:04:41 <sgallagh> Broken bridge?
17:04:51 <decathorpe> hum, if the bridge were broken, we wouldn't see zodbot's messages either?
17:05:00 <nirik[m]> Fun... can you all see me here?
17:05:00 <sgallagh> Yes
17:05:12 <dcantrell> I see you in both places
17:05:23 <dcantrell> do people see me?
17:05:53 <mhroncok> nirik[m]: yes
17:05:55 <nirik> dcantrell: I see you both places...
17:06:13 <dcantrell> I do see everyone, fwiw.  I'm on irc
17:06:18 <nirik> well, I guess I can go to the matrix side...
17:06:27 <nirik[m]> thats pretty odd.
17:07:59 <sgallagh> Computers. 🤷‍♂️
17:08:02 <nirik[m]> So, I guess we do have quorum...
17:08:02 <zbyszek[m]> Hi, sorry for being late.
17:08:02 <music[m]> I’m here.
17:08:05 <bcotton> .hello2
17:08:06 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
17:08:26 <nirik> zodbot is seeing everything. deeply odd.
17:08:47 <zbyszek> zodbot sees everything. zodbot knows everything.
17:08:57 <sgallagh> .hi
17:08:58 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
17:08:58 <zbyszek[m]> .hello zbyszek
17:09:01 <zodbot> zbyszek[m]: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
17:09:02 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:09:03 <mhroncok> now I don't see zodbot
17:09:04 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:09:32 <zbyszek[m]> I think it's just very laggy
17:09:32 <davide> .hello dcavalca
17:09:32 <decathorpe> at least everything shows up on the discord bridge
17:09:32 <decathorpe> 🤡
17:09:32 <zodbot> davide: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <dcavalca@fb.com>
17:09:39 <dcantrell> .hello2
17:09:40 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
17:10:04 <nirik> ok, so should I continue from irc? move to matrix? or give up computers and go buy a yak farm?
17:10:29 <zbyszek[m]> Fabio: post screenshots to facebook
17:10:30 <decathorpe> zbyszek: lemme fetch my camera
17:10:31 <zbyszek[m]> don't forget the stick
17:10:53 <dcantrell> nirik: if you buy a yak farm, I have recommendations on electric shavers
17:11:05 <nirik> cool.
17:11:40 <nirik> #topic #2817 Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags
17:11:40 <nirik> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817
17:11:45 <nirik> .fesco 2817
17:11:46 <zodbot> nirik: Issue #2817: Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817
17:12:15 <nirik> so, I guess we can just drop this today... since they are going to retarget f38 and get stats.
17:12:41 <zbyszek> yep
17:12:45 <nirik> #info change repointing to f38 and will give more time for gathering stats
17:12:55 <nirik> #topic #2821 Change: Deprecate openssl1.1 package
17:12:55 <nirik> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2821
17:12:59 <zbyszek[m]> nirik: I'm fine either way
17:13:03 <nirik> .fesco 2821
17:13:04 <zodbot> nirik: Issue #2821: Change: Deprecate openssl1.1 package - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2821
17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> #topic #2817 Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags
17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817
17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> .fesco 2817
17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <zodbot> nirik: Issue #2817: Change proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2817
17:13:05 <decathorpe> > <nirik> so, I guess we can just drop this today... since they are going to retarget f38 and get stats.
17:13:38 <nirik> wow... the lag is amazing. ;)
17:13:41 <mhroncok> an avalanche of messages just happened
17:13:46 <sgallagh> Regarding 2817: We might enable it in ELN to try out there. TBD
17:14:17 <nirik> yeah, it's slowly catching up
17:14:30 <mhroncok> the current proposal is to add deprecated() provides, that's it
17:15:48 * sgallagh was +1 in the ticket
17:15:48 <decathorpe> it also mentions helping affected packages to port to OpenSSL 3.0, which is nice.
17:15:48 <zbyszek[m]> halp me
17:15:59 <mhroncok> I believe they still want to only maintain this in RHEL 8 and not in Fedora, but that has been moved to the "eventually" land (however, might as well be proposed again tomorrow).
17:16:01 <mhroncok> zbyszek[m]: ?
17:16:14 <nirik> so, provided we can all end up in the same time, shall we vote here? or vote in ticket? there were some -1's
17:16:27 <zbyszek> mhroncok: it made sense ~30 messages ago
17:16:46 <zbyszek> I posted from element and it got stuck
17:16:55 <mhroncok> ack
17:17:03 <mhroncok> my -1 changed to +1
17:17:07 <neverpanic> We're planning to eventually rebase RHEL-8 (possibly in 8.8) to the state of Fedora, and then only maintain as in RHEL. At the moment, we rebase much more often in Fedora.
17:17:41 <zbyszek> I'm +1 too
17:17:43 <music[m]> my -1 also changed to +1
17:17:54 <dcantrell> I added my +1 to the ticket
17:18:01 <mhroncok> the remaining -1 was Neal's and he's not here
17:18:07 <nirik> yep.
17:18:13 * nirik is +1 also now
17:18:33 <decathorpe> I thought we don't mix async votes from ticket and sync votes from meeting anyway?
17:18:52 <zbyszek> decathorpe: we do
17:18:53 <nirik> that does get confusing if we did.
17:18:57 <mhroncok> we have quorum. let's vote here and disregard the old votes as they were for another proposal anyway
17:19:09 <decathorpe> :D
17:19:12 <nirik> mhroncok: +1
17:19:18 <zbyszek> mhroncok: ack
17:19:29 <decathorpe> mhroncok: +1
17:19:54 <mhroncok> +1
17:20:01 <music[m]> +1
17:20:03 <dcantrell> +1
17:20:39 <mhroncok> +6,0,-0 ?
17:20:46 <nirik> yep.
17:21:18 <nirik> #agreed 2821 approved(6, 0, 0)
17:21:24 <nirik> #topic Next weeks chair
17:21:43 <nirik> who wants to ride the shifting sands of irc and matrix bridges?
17:22:04 <zbyszek> I'll be on vacation next week, can't do it, yay ;)
17:22:10 <decathorpe> IIRC, last week, sgallagh volunteered for next week-
17:23:08 <nirik> oh yeah, thats right.
17:23:16 <nirik> #info sgallagh to chair next week
17:23:21 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:23:25 <nirik> anything for open floor?
17:23:36 <nirik> #info mass rebuild begins tomorrow!
17:24:00 <zbyszek> About the "meeting the fesco" talk during Nest…
17:24:06 <zbyszek> Who will be there?
17:24:11 <zbyszek> Please respond in the ticket.
17:24:27 * nirik should be, depending on when it's scheduled exactly.
17:24:35 <sgallagh> Yes I did. Sorry, got distracted
17:24:40 <decathorpe> so long as it's not happening at the same time as the Rust Workshop, I'll be there too
17:24:44 <mhroncok> https://pagure.io/flock/issue/382
17:24:49 <sgallagh> I plan to attend
17:25:09 <sgallagh> Out of curiosity, anyone else planning to go to Fedora Hatch in Rochester this week?
17:25:10 <mhroncok> post your availability there please
17:25:15 <mhroncok> not me
17:25:25 <zbyszek> I'm going to Brno
17:25:46 <zbyszek> Brno is a bit like Rochester, no?
17:26:29 <mhroncok> Brno is to Czech Republic what Rochester is to New York?
17:27:12 <dcantrell> what would be on a Brno garbage plate?
17:27:55 <nirik> beer?
17:28:06 <dcantrell> it already is winning over Rochester
17:28:22 <nirik> and pork knuckle?
17:28:31 <nirik> anyhow, if nothing more, we can close out...
17:29:23 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone, sorry irc/matrix briding was being so anoying. ;(
17:29:25 <nirik> #endmeeting