17:00:30 <mhroncok> #startmeeting FESCO (2022-08-16) 17:00:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Aug 16 17:00:30 2022 UTC. 17:00:30 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:30 <zodbot> The chair is mhroncok. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:30 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2022-08-16)' 17:00:33 <mhroncok> #meetingname fesco 17:00:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:00:35 <mhroncok> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 17:00:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek 17:00:39 <mhroncok> #topic init process 17:00:42 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard 17:00:43 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com> 17:00:44 <music[m]> .hello music 17:00:46 <zodbot> music[m]: music 'Benjamin Beasley' <code@musicinmybrain.net> 17:00:47 <mhayden> .hello mhayden 17:00:49 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <mhayden@redhat.com> 17:01:09 <nirik> morning 17:01:30 <bcotton> .hello2 17:01:30 <mhroncok> 1...2...3...4 17:01:31 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com> 17:01:51 <zbyszek_> .hello2 17:01:52 <zodbot> zbyszek_: Sorry, but user 'zbyszek_' does not exist 17:01:58 <zbyszek> .hello2 17:01:59 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl> 17:02:01 <mhroncok> 5 17:02:09 <mhroncok> we have quorum 17:02:33 <mhroncok> #topic #2851 F37 incomplete changes (testable deadline) 17:02:38 <mhroncok> .fesco 2851 17:02:39 <zodbot> mhroncok: Issue #2851: F37 incomplete changes (testable deadline) - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2851 17:02:50 <decathorpe> I am here too 17:02:58 <mhroncok> hi 17:03:33 <mhroncok> It seems that all of the changes have their contingency delines at beta freeze or later 17:03:38 <mhroncok> *deadlines 17:04:21 <mhroncok> does anybody here have a change in mind that should be deferred to f38 (or otherwise not delivered in f37) already? 17:04:41 * nirik looks over list 17:05:04 <mhayden> nothing i can find to object to in there 17:05:56 <zbyszek> I think LLVM15 might need to be deferred. But we don't need to decide this now. 17:06:20 <decathorpe> oh that would be awful 17:06:39 <mhroncok> the llvm this says it's planned for september 17:07:09 <mhroncok> proposal: Nothing special happens now. We will evaluate the changes at contingency deadlines or at the 100% code completion deadline, whatever happens first. 17:07:17 <zbyszek> +1 17:07:19 <nirik> +1 17:07:29 <decathorpe> +1 17:07:29 <mhroncok> +1 17:07:44 <mhroncok> mhayden: ? 17:07:56 <mhroncok> Ben Cotton (he/him): does that work for you? 17:07:56 <mhayden> +1 17:08:05 <bcotton> if FESCo is happy, i'm happy 17:08:08 <mhroncok> I know you technically don'T vote here, but still 17:08:16 <mhroncok> ack 17:08:33 <mhroncok> #agree APPROVED (+5,0,-0) Nothing special happens now. We will evaluate the changes at contingency deadlines or at the 100% code completion deadline, whatever happens first. 17:08:39 <bcotton> Note that the 100% complete deadline is a week from today 17:08:43 <mhroncok> I know 17:08:54 <mhroncok> and I suspect we will defer some of the changes then 17:09:03 <mhroncok> but I see no point in doing it already 17:09:13 <bcotton> (coincident with the start of beta freeze) 17:09:26 <bcotton> agreed. just sharing for anyone who wasn't aware 17:09:35 <mhroncok> thanks 17:09:50 <mhroncok> if nobody has anything else for this topic... 17:10:23 <music[m]> Nothing else from me. 17:10:27 <mhroncok> #topic Next week's chair 17:10:55 <mhroncok> I can do this again but would prefer if somebody else does 17:11:09 <zbyszek> I can do it. 17:11:15 <mhayden> i can give it a try for the first time -- i assume we have the process written somewhere? 17:11:31 <decathorpe> mhayden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process 17:11:40 <mhayden> thanks, decathorpe 17:11:49 <mhayden> zbyszek: i'll leave it up to you 17:12:01 <mhayden> to choose which one of us does it, i mean 🙃 17:12:11 <zbyszek> Then you :P 17:12:24 <mhayden> 🎉 17:12:25 <mhroncok> #action mhayden will chair next meeting 17:12:36 * mhayden looks for a chair 17:12:42 <mhroncok> feel free to ping me with questions 17:12:46 <mhayden> thanks! 17:12:50 <mhroncok> #topic Open Floor 17:13:07 <nirik> yeah, there's a page with the entire process on it. 17:13:17 <decathorpe> I have something 17:13:27 <mhroncok> Fabio Valentini: go on 17:13:40 <nirik> mhayden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process 17:13:46 <mhayden> nirik: thanks! 17:14:40 <decathorpe> it has been brought to my attention that some packagers (I won't point fingers publicly) blatantly ignore some Fedora rules / Guidelines, for example, the Updates Policy, even though that's been pointed out to them a few times already 17:14:48 <decathorpe> would FESCo be the correct place to escalate this, or is this better suited to the Council or something? 17:15:13 <mhroncok> I'd say FESCo should be the place to escalate FESCo's policies 17:15:16 <nirik> yep 17:15:23 <mhroncok> Council would be the next step if the maintainers choose to ignore us 17:15:44 * decathorpe sighes in that will probably happen 17:16:00 <mhroncok> anything can happen 17:16:03 <decathorpe> true. 17:16:37 <bcotton> agreed 17:16:40 <zbyszek> decathorpe: do you have some specific examples? 17:16:43 <decathorpe> I'll ask them (who brought it to my attention) to file a FESCo ticket 17:16:45 * mhayden hopes it's unrelated to his use of emojis in spec files 17:16:59 <decathorpe> we have plenty examples 17:17:04 <mhroncok> I suppose a private ticket can be opened or a discussion on the private fesco mailing list, if you want to collect feedback before "public blaming and shaming" 17:17:12 <nirik> mhayden: 👋 17:17:17 <decathorpe> we'll collect them and file a private ticket. 17:17:43 <decathorpe> mhayden: no those are perfect. the bodhi comments, too :) 17:17:51 <mhayden> 🤭 17:19:03 <mhroncok> anything else? 17:19:11 <decathorpe> nope, thanks :) 17:19:38 <mhroncok> ok folks, thanks for the short meeting, see you in a week 17:19:46 <zbyszek> Thanks mhroncok 17:19:47 <mhayden> thanks! 17:20:30 <decathorpe> thanks! mhroncok++ 17:20:30 <zodbot> decathorpe: Karma for churchyard changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:20:30 <mhroncok> #endmeeting