17:00:30 <mhroncok> #startmeeting FESCO (2022-08-16)
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17:00:33 <mhroncok> #meetingname fesco
17:00:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:00:35 <mhroncok> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
17:00:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek
17:00:39 <mhroncok> #topic init process
17:00:42 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:00:43 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:00:44 <music[m]> .hello music
17:00:46 <zodbot> music[m]: music 'Benjamin Beasley' <code@musicinmybrain.net>
17:00:47 <mhayden> .hello mhayden
17:00:49 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <mhayden@redhat.com>
17:01:09 <nirik> morning
17:01:30 <bcotton> .hello2
17:01:30 <mhroncok> 1...2...3...4
17:01:31 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
17:01:51 <zbyszek_> .hello2
17:01:52 <zodbot> zbyszek_: Sorry, but user 'zbyszek_' does not exist
17:01:58 <zbyszek> .hello2
17:01:59 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
17:02:01 <mhroncok> 5
17:02:09 <mhroncok> we have quorum
17:02:33 <mhroncok> #topic  #2851 F37 incomplete changes (testable deadline)
17:02:38 <mhroncok> .fesco 2851
17:02:39 <zodbot> mhroncok: Issue #2851: F37 incomplete changes (testable deadline) - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2851
17:02:50 <decathorpe> I am here too
17:02:58 <mhroncok> hi
17:03:33 <mhroncok> It seems that all of the changes have their contingency delines at beta freeze or later
17:03:38 <mhroncok> *deadlines
17:04:21 <mhroncok> does anybody here have a change in mind that should be deferred to f38 (or otherwise not delivered in f37) already?
17:04:41 * nirik looks over list
17:05:04 <mhayden> nothing i can find to object to in there
17:05:56 <zbyszek> I think LLVM15 might need to be deferred. But we don't need to decide this now.
17:06:20 <decathorpe> oh that would be awful
17:06:39 <mhroncok> the llvm this says it's planned for september
17:07:09 <mhroncok> proposal: Nothing special happens now. We will evaluate the changes at contingency deadlines or at the 100% code completion deadline, whatever happens first.
17:07:17 <zbyszek> +1
17:07:19 <nirik> +1
17:07:29 <decathorpe> +1
17:07:29 <mhroncok> +1
17:07:44 <mhroncok> mhayden: ?
17:07:56 <mhroncok> Ben Cotton (he/him): does that work for you?
17:07:56 <mhayden> +1
17:08:05 <bcotton> if FESCo is happy, i'm happy
17:08:08 <mhroncok> I know you technically don'T vote here, but still
17:08:16 <mhroncok> ack
17:08:33 <mhroncok> #agree APPROVED (+5,0,-0) Nothing special happens now. We will evaluate the changes at contingency deadlines or at the 100% code completion deadline, whatever happens first.
17:08:39 <bcotton> Note that the 100% complete deadline is a week from today
17:08:43 <mhroncok> I know
17:08:54 <mhroncok> and I suspect we will defer some of the changes then
17:09:03 <mhroncok> but I see no point in doing it already
17:09:13 <bcotton> (coincident with the start of beta freeze)
17:09:26 <bcotton> agreed. just sharing for anyone who wasn't aware
17:09:35 <mhroncok> thanks
17:09:50 <mhroncok> if nobody has anything else for this topic...
17:10:23 <music[m]> Nothing else from me.
17:10:27 <mhroncok> #topic Next week's chair
17:10:55 <mhroncok> I can do this again but would prefer if somebody else does
17:11:09 <zbyszek> I can do it.
17:11:15 <mhayden> i can give it a try for the first time -- i assume we have the process written somewhere?
17:11:31 <decathorpe> mhayden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process
17:11:40 <mhayden> thanks, decathorpe
17:11:49 <mhayden> zbyszek: i'll leave it up to you
17:12:01 <mhayden> to choose which one of us does it, i mean 🙃
17:12:11 <zbyszek> Then you :P
17:12:24 <mhayden> 🎉
17:12:25 <mhroncok> #action mhayden will chair next meeting
17:12:36 * mhayden looks for a chair
17:12:42 <mhroncok> feel free to ping me with questions
17:12:46 <mhayden> thanks!
17:12:50 <mhroncok> #topic Open Floor
17:13:07 <nirik> yeah, there's a page with the entire process on it.
17:13:17 <decathorpe> I have something
17:13:27 <mhroncok> Fabio Valentini: go on
17:13:40 <nirik> mhayden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process
17:13:46 <mhayden> nirik: thanks!
17:14:40 <decathorpe> it has been brought to my attention that some packagers (I won't point fingers publicly) blatantly ignore some Fedora rules / Guidelines, for example, the Updates Policy, even though that's been pointed out to them a few times already
17:14:48 <decathorpe> would FESCo be the correct place to escalate this, or is this better suited to the Council or something?
17:15:13 <mhroncok> I'd say FESCo should be the place to escalate FESCo's policies
17:15:16 <nirik> yep
17:15:23 <mhroncok> Council would be the next step if the maintainers choose to ignore us
17:15:44 * decathorpe sighes in that will probably happen
17:16:00 <mhroncok> anything can happen
17:16:03 <decathorpe> true.
17:16:37 <bcotton> agreed
17:16:40 <zbyszek> decathorpe: do you have some specific examples?
17:16:43 <decathorpe> I'll ask them (who brought it to my attention) to file a FESCo ticket
17:16:45 * mhayden hopes it's unrelated to his use of emojis in spec files
17:16:59 <decathorpe> we have plenty examples
17:17:04 <mhroncok> I suppose a private ticket can be opened or a discussion on the private fesco mailing list, if you want to collect feedback before "public blaming and shaming"
17:17:12 <nirik> mhayden: 👋
17:17:17 <decathorpe> we'll collect them and file a private ticket.
17:17:43 <decathorpe> mhayden: no those are perfect. the bodhi comments, too :)
17:17:51 <mhayden> 🤭
17:19:03 <mhroncok> anything else?
17:19:11 <decathorpe> nope, thanks :)
17:19:38 <mhroncok> ok folks, thanks for the short meeting, see you in a week
17:19:46 <zbyszek> Thanks mhroncok
17:19:47 <mhayden> thanks!
17:20:30 <decathorpe> thanks! mhroncok++
17:20:30 <zodbot> decathorpe: Karma for churchyard changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:20:30 <mhroncok> #endmeeting