17:00:30 #startmeeting FESCO (2022-08-16) 17:00:30 Meeting started Tue Aug 16 17:00:30 2022 UTC. 17:00:30 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:30 The chair is mhroncok. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 17:00:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:30 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2022-08-16)' 17:00:33 #meetingname fesco 17:00:33 The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:00:35 #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor 17:00:35 Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek 17:00:39 #topic init process 17:00:42 .hello churchyard 17:00:43 mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' 17:00:44 .hello music 17:00:46 music[m]: music 'Benjamin Beasley' 17:00:47 .hello mhayden 17:00:49 mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' 17:01:09 morning 17:01:30 .hello2 17:01:30 1...2...3...4 17:01:31 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 17:01:51 .hello2 17:01:52 zbyszek_: Sorry, but user 'zbyszek_' does not exist 17:01:58 .hello2 17:01:59 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 17:02:01 5 17:02:09 we have quorum 17:02:33 #topic #2851 F37 incomplete changes (testable deadline) 17:02:38 .fesco 2851 17:02:39 mhroncok: Issue #2851: F37 incomplete changes (testable deadline) - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2851 17:02:50 I am here too 17:02:58 hi 17:03:33 It seems that all of the changes have their contingency delines at beta freeze or later 17:03:38 *deadlines 17:04:21 does anybody here have a change in mind that should be deferred to f38 (or otherwise not delivered in f37) already? 17:04:41 * nirik looks over list 17:05:04 nothing i can find to object to in there 17:05:56 I think LLVM15 might need to be deferred. But we don't need to decide this now. 17:06:20 oh that would be awful 17:06:39 the llvm this says it's planned for september 17:07:09 proposal: Nothing special happens now. We will evaluate the changes at contingency deadlines or at the 100% code completion deadline, whatever happens first. 17:07:17 +1 17:07:19 +1 17:07:29 +1 17:07:29 +1 17:07:44 mhayden: ? 17:07:56 Ben Cotton (he/him): does that work for you? 17:07:56 +1 17:08:05 if FESCo is happy, i'm happy 17:08:08 I know you technically don'T vote here, but still 17:08:16 ack 17:08:33 #agree APPROVED (+5,0,-0) Nothing special happens now. We will evaluate the changes at contingency deadlines or at the 100% code completion deadline, whatever happens first. 17:08:39 Note that the 100% complete deadline is a week from today 17:08:43 I know 17:08:54 and I suspect we will defer some of the changes then 17:09:03 but I see no point in doing it already 17:09:13 (coincident with the start of beta freeze) 17:09:26 agreed. just sharing for anyone who wasn't aware 17:09:35 thanks 17:09:50 if nobody has anything else for this topic... 17:10:23 Nothing else from me. 17:10:27 #topic Next week's chair 17:10:55 I can do this again but would prefer if somebody else does 17:11:09 I can do it. 17:11:15 i can give it a try for the first time -- i assume we have the process written somewhere? 17:11:31 mhayden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process 17:11:40 thanks, decathorpe 17:11:49 zbyszek: i'll leave it up to you 17:12:01 to choose which one of us does it, i mean 🙃 17:12:11 Then you :P 17:12:24 🎉 17:12:25 #action mhayden will chair next meeting 17:12:36 * mhayden looks for a chair 17:12:42 feel free to ping me with questions 17:12:46 thanks! 17:12:50 #topic Open Floor 17:13:07 yeah, there's a page with the entire process on it. 17:13:17 I have something 17:13:27 Fabio Valentini: go on 17:13:40 mhayden: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_meeting_process 17:13:46 nirik: thanks! 17:14:40 it has been brought to my attention that some packagers (I won't point fingers publicly) blatantly ignore some Fedora rules / Guidelines, for example, the Updates Policy, even though that's been pointed out to them a few times already 17:14:48 would FESCo be the correct place to escalate this, or is this better suited to the Council or something? 17:15:13 I'd say FESCo should be the place to escalate FESCo's policies 17:15:16 yep 17:15:23 Council would be the next step if the maintainers choose to ignore us 17:15:44 * decathorpe sighes in that will probably happen 17:16:00 anything can happen 17:16:03 true. 17:16:37 agreed 17:16:40 decathorpe: do you have some specific examples? 17:16:43 I'll ask them (who brought it to my attention) to file a FESCo ticket 17:16:45 * mhayden hopes it's unrelated to his use of emojis in spec files 17:16:59 we have plenty examples 17:17:04 I suppose a private ticket can be opened or a discussion on the private fesco mailing list, if you want to collect feedback before "public blaming and shaming" 17:17:12 mhayden: 👋 17:17:17 we'll collect them and file a private ticket. 17:17:43 mhayden: no those are perfect. the bodhi comments, too :) 17:17:51 🤭 17:19:03 anything else? 17:19:11 nope, thanks :) 17:19:38 ok folks, thanks for the short meeting, see you in a week 17:19:46 Thanks mhroncok 17:19:47 thanks! 17:20:30 thanks! mhroncok++ 17:20:30 decathorpe: Karma for churchyard changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:20:30 #endmeeting