16:59:17 <dcantrell> #startmeeting FESCO (2022-12-13)
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16:59:18 <dcantrell> #meetingname fesco
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16:59:20 <dcantrell> #chair nirik, decathorpe, zbyszek, sgallagh, mhroncok, dcantrell, music, mhayden, Conan_Kudo, Pharaoh_Atem, Son_Goku, King_InuYasha, Sir_Gallantmon, Eighth_Doctor
16:59:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: Conan_Kudo Eighth_Doctor King_InuYasha Pharaoh_Atem Sir_Gallantmon Son_Goku dcantrell decathorpe mhayden mhroncok music nirik sgallagh zbyszek
16:59:30 <mhayden> .hi
16:59:35 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <mhayden@redhat.com>
16:59:35 <dcantrell> #topic init process
16:59:40 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
16:59:43 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
16:59:45 <dcantrell> .hello2
16:59:46 <decathorpe> .hi
16:59:48 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
16:59:51 <zodbot> decathorpe: decathorpe 'Fabio Valentini' <decathorpe@gmail.com>
16:59:55 <decathorpe> starting early, I see :)
16:59:55 <mhayden> oh darn i hi'd too early 🤦‍♂️
17:00:12 <dcantrell> decathorpe: I have clocks that I'm racing on my desk
17:00:25 <dcantrell> mhayden: that was my copy pasta mistake
17:00:50 <zbyszek> .hello2
17:00:52 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
17:01:02 <mhroncok> .hello churchyard
17:01:06 <zodbot> mhroncok: churchyard 'Miro Hrončok' <mhroncok@redhat.com>
17:01:17 <dcantrell> ok, that's quorum.  I expect this to be short
17:01:53 <dcantrell> #topic #2911 Review removal of ncurses-compat-libs
17:01:57 <dcantrell> .fesco 2911
17:01:58 <zodbot> dcantrell: Issue #2911: Review removal of ncurses-compat-libs - fesco - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2911
17:02:07 <dcantrell> I asked for mlichvar to attend, but I think he is on PTO
17:02:15 <dcantrell> but I had already sent out the meeting notice
17:02:23 <decathorpe> has the package maintainer chimed in anywhere on the tickets or on the mailing list?
17:02:32 <dcantrell> no, that's why I asked him to attend
17:02:40 <decathorpe> ok
17:02:48 <dcantrell> we may have to pick this up after RH's holidays but part of me hoped we could get it done today
17:03:04 <Eighth_Doctor> yeah...
17:03:12 <dcantrell> if no one has anything for this, we'll just move on
17:03:24 <dcantrell> (pausing for 5 seconds)
17:03:26 <Eighth_Doctor> hopefully we don't have a pile of things to approve in a meeting next time
17:03:32 <dcantrell> I don't think we will
17:04:02 <dcantrell> moving on
17:04:03 <mhroncok> so
17:04:08 <mhroncok> technically, this is +2 now
17:04:16 <dcantrell> it is, yes
17:04:21 <mhroncok> and it will be approved as proposed next Monday
17:04:38 <dcantrell> shall we give a -1 just to keep it open for mlichvar to comment?
17:04:55 <Eighth_Doctor> we could also just simply hold it
17:05:16 <Eighth_Doctor> mark it as stalled and pick it back up later
17:05:33 <Eighth_Doctor> or paused or something
17:05:34 <dcantrell> I'm fine with that
17:05:42 <mhroncok> ack
17:05:54 <dcantrell> I'll mark it as such
17:05:58 <Eighth_Doctor> ack
17:06:09 <dcantrell> ok, moving on\
17:06:12 <mhroncok> it's +3 now BTW
17:06:28 <dcantrell> yeah
17:06:29 <dcantrell> #topic Next week's chair
17:06:47 <zbyszek> Before we decide that, let's talk *when* the next meeting will be.
17:06:48 <dcantrell> is anyone going to be around for a meeting next week?
17:06:52 <dcantrell> yeah, exactly
17:06:55 <mhroncok> I propose we skip next week
17:06:56 <mhayden> i'll be out the next two weeks
17:07:07 <Eighth_Doctor> I'll be out next week
17:07:15 <mhayden> skipping next week sounds like a good plan
17:07:19 <dcantrell> so let's say next meeting is Jan 3?
17:07:26 <mhroncok> ack
17:07:26 <zbyszek> I *could* be there, but I don't feel the need particularly.
17:07:36 <dcantrell> reasonable
17:07:37 <mhroncok> same for me
17:07:40 <decathorpe> Jan 3 sounds good
17:07:48 <mhroncok> I can chair
17:07:48 <dcantrell> alright, anyone want to run it?  if not, I will
17:07:55 <dcantrell> mhroncok: thanks!
17:08:10 <decathorpe> mhroncok: assuming you're re-elected? :)
17:08:12 <mhayden> thanks, mhroncok
17:08:16 <dcantrell> #action mhroncok will chair next meeting
17:08:31 <dcantrell> #topic Open Floor
17:08:33 <mhroncok> if I am not re-elected I will get soembody to do it instead of me
17:08:41 <mhroncok> dcantrell: the agenda contained several closed tickets in Followups
17:08:52 <music[m]> .hello music
17:08:54 <zodbot> music[m]: music 'Benjamin Beasley' <code@musicinmybrain.net>
17:08:56 <mhroncok> there were no votes or anythign and the tickets were closed as announced
17:09:03 <dcantrell> mhroncok: those were all marked as pending announcement
17:09:10 <mhroncok> yes
17:09:10 <dcantrell> mhroncok: did I do things in the wrong order?
17:09:18 <mhroncok> but they were not announced as approved or rejected
17:09:31 <mhroncok> they were simpyl listed as items for the agenda on this meeting
17:09:53 <dcantrell> ah, right, I left that part out.  ok, so it's been a while since I did a meeting.  ooops
17:10:09 <dcantrell> sorry about that.  I can fix that in the summary of this meeting
17:10:20 <mhroncok> np, but we should correct that in the summary... yes thanks
17:10:26 <dcantrell> will do
17:10:40 <mhroncok> dcantrell++
17:10:40 <zodbot> mhroncok: Karma for dcantrell changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:11:16 <dcantrell> the only thing I wanted to mention for the open floor is the GNU make change proposal.  there are a lot of backwards incompatible changes and I think we should all take a look at that.  I myself am a heavy gmake user, so it would be nice to have an idea of what the impact might be there
17:11:35 <mhroncok> I need to go afk for ~5 minutes, i assume the meetign is over by then. see you later and sorry about that
17:11:50 <dcantrell> mhroncok: no problem and take care!
17:12:15 <dcantrell> oh, also, the dnf5 change proposal has been rewritten too.  I encourage everyone to look at that too
17:12:21 <dcantrell> anything else for open floor?
17:12:45 <music[m]> I wanted to bring up https://pagure.io/fesco/fesco-docs/issue/57.
17:13:52 <dcantrell> I have not looked at this in a while
17:13:54 <music[m]> I think it would be good to update the docs to reflect what was approved in the change without blocking on a rethink of the whole policy. It seems like the issue understandably fell off everyone’s radars.
17:14:24 <zbyszek> I agree. Though I would like to revisit the policy too.
17:14:43 <zbyszek> As a quick straw poll, who would be open to a change like this?
17:15:22 <mhroncok> I'm back BTW, sooner than expected
17:16:05 <mhroncok> """This was approved alongside the F34 change to start shipping crates on non-rawhide branches: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2474#comment-694322 """
17:16:31 <mhroncok> just send the change and get it eye-balled by somebody and merged
17:16:41 <decathorpe> ok, will do
17:16:42 <zbyszek> Yep.
17:17:02 <mhroncok> as for the change of policy, there as a thread at devel recently
17:17:02 <dcantrell> ok, anything else for open floor?
17:17:09 <mhroncok> many people have different opinions
17:17:57 <music[m]> Nothing from me.
17:18:19 <dcantrell> mhroncok: true, and that's a much larger discussion that will likely have a lot of small changes
17:18:49 <dcantrell> ok, open floor going once....
17:19:01 <mhayden> happy holidays, everyone 🫂
17:19:12 <dcantrell> thanks everyone, enjoy time off and holidays!
17:19:12 <zbyszek> Happy holidays!
17:19:22 <dcantrell> hope to talk to everyone on Jan 3rd
17:19:24 <dcantrell> #endmeeting